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[hemo memo]

Jaffe couldn't figure out how to shoot up in metroid.

He made that video "members only" by the way.

 

[Robb]

The only ones who killed Veilguard were the devs who made it.

 

[Kacho]

He lost my respect long ago when he was triggered by this tweet:

How to tell someone lives in California in a single tweet

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Other way around, the shitty game killed itself with shitty woke elements and bad writing. These "grifters" wouldn't have happen in the first place if a game wasn't pushing these insane twisted woke garbage. It's like trying to blame a store or home owner for killing a criminal in self defense because the criminal scumbags wouldn't have died if he didn't try to do a crime in the first place.

 

[midnightAI]

If you listen to the video rather than just react to the OP title, he has a point

Edit: and I don't necessarily mean DragonAge, if it's bad it's bad, but he has a point about the YouTube 'grifters'.

 

[NuclearDiarrhea]

"Woke has nothing to do with games selling like shit. Only a minority of people (terminally online people) are bothered by that stuff"

"This game sold like shit because grifters called the game woke"

- same people

 

[SHA]

Isn't dragon age story about midevil garbage? nothing good came from that age, y'all make it like it's binary when it's just that the tune gets worse every time because of what's censored from that age.

 

[Boss Mog]

The only true Youtube grifters are you and your ilk, Jaffe. Sure the guys you hate chase views and clicks like any other content creators, but at least their cause is just and their arguments valid. Yours is pure evil.

 

[sachos]

A little bit of A, a little bit of B.

 

[MetalFreak]

What a weasel. Fuck off Jaffe.

 

[tkscz]

Stop blaming Youtubers who don't have that big a reach to ruin something on this level.

Youtubers didn't cause The Acolyte to fail, youtubers didn't cause Rings of Power to fail and youtubers didn't cause DAV to fail. They fail on their own to reach out to an audience.

 

[Touch fuzZy. get BizZay]

youtubers/twitter/gaf showed people what was in the game, unlike the gaming press

same with concord, same with kill the justice league

we are the media now

 

[PandaOk]

Stop blaming Youtubers who don't have that big a reach to ruin something on this level.

Youtubers didn't cause The Acolyte to fail, youtubers didn't cause Rings of Power to fail and youtubers didn't cause DAV to fail. They fail on their own to reach out to an audience.

People seriously underestimate collective YouTube views and conditioning don’t they. It’s not all or nothing.

 

[polybius80]

People are already starting on Avowed simply because we now know you choose pronouns in the character creator.

nobody is saying that in particular is the problem, that is a red flag, its a sign of the kind of things you will find in the game, we have plenty of games that were ruined and had red flags too, at first people were fooled dismissing those red flags but not anymore

The obvious solution is if that kind of stuff bothers you, ignore it, play something else. Leave it for people who want it. There's more than enough games for all of us out there. No need to set fire to it because it hurts your feelings.

for us "consumers" yes, we will simply not gonna buy the game, but there are critics and reviews for every products, specially for a immense industry like videogames

we consumers listen more to youtube people opinions about games more than traditional video game press because their track record and lets not pretend there are not groups specially in this press that set fire to products just because they include thing not politically correct for them or in other words "hurt their feeling"

But we're not ready for that conversation.

woke game press and EGS people dont want to have any conversation, they want to dictate which games we people must like and buy and wich games should be hated, that is why they put labels on people instead of discuss with them, some of them have expressed they actually hate consumers specially if they are straight men or "binary" as they call us

 

[Kenneth Haight]

I really like David Jaffe but he has some awful takes.

He has a personal connection in that he has a trans daughter I think who was born male and that no doubt makes him feel differently about the subject.

I think he has good intentions but is so far on the left that anything even slightly centre is far right to him.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Why do all these people look alike?

Hes a washed up nobody. The fact that he gets so much attention is why he acts like this

 

[elbourreau]

Go home Jaffe, you're drunk...

 

[Utamaru1706]

Stop blaming Youtubers who don't have that big a reach to ruin something on this level.

Youtubers didn't cause The Acolyte to fail, youtubers didn't cause Rings of Power to fail and youtubers didn't cause DAV to fail. They fail on their own to reach out to an audience.

YouTubers CAN influence the masses to a degree, and we already had some examples where they literally impacted something, like when Youtubers & streamers made Among Us a massive hit + cultural phenomenon several years ago, or when Vtubers totally changed Japan's landscape about PC gaming, so they definitely have the power to do such things.

But in this case, I honestly didn't saw how Youtubers were to blame in DA: V's failure, unless they somehow affected with those overwhelmingly cringe Taash cutscenes shorts & videos, and makes them refrains to buy the game, lol.

 

[ungalo]

Jaffe is just going to say everything and its contrary, no need to be mad at him it's just clickbait.

 

[Northeastmonk]

He lost my respect long ago when he was triggered by this tweet:

I don’t think those girls care. They probably had fun. Im kinda glad I’ve grown up around mostly straight women in the Midwest. Even the bi girls I’ve known aren’t so uptight about stuff they see.

 

[Humdinger]

Well, the Youtube grifters will be happy to know they have such power.

 

[Dazraell]

It's a mediocre game. Even without controversies it would underperform

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I completely agree. Nobody wanted to play the game that a Youtube grifter like David Jaffe advocated so strongly for.

 

[mitch1971]

The obvious solution is if that kind of stuff bothers you, ignore it, play something else. Leave it for people who want it. There's more than enough games for all of us out there. No need to set fire to it because it hurts your feelings.

But we're not ready for that conversation.

People are leaving or playing another game - that is the problem. In turn this leads to layoffs or studio closures because some self rightous producer decides the vast majority of gamers should just shut up and fall in line with the 'right think' while leading a bunch of employees to the slaughter. A bunch of employees I bet who would gladly leave this pronoun garbage at the front gate if it means keeping their jobs. People ain't setting the fires from the outside; the building is burning already from within.

 

[SlimySnake]

I don’t understand the concern here. Gamers were pretty happy that it flopped, no? Didnt the non binary stuff also appear on YouTube on twitter? It went viral and caused all that commotion.

I don’t understand why gamers get upset over being called out. We did this. We won. We saw something we didn’t like. We signal boosted it. The game flopped. We have the power to do this because we set trends on Twitter, reddit and YouTube. Normies follow those trends. We did this with star wars outlaws earlier this year. We've done this with several sony and ms initiatives that were rolled back after gamer outrage.

Now lets own it. If you are getting triggered by someone calling out facts then maybe dont be part of the outrage mob.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Why is it so complicated nowadays to just call a bad game a bad game? It sucked, get over it. I blame the studio for delivering a subpar product.

I doubt you even played it

 

[DeVeAn]

Honestly, lost respect for this dude. Watched him for a little and he is a troll to the nth degree. Mental vomit.

 

[Last Hearth]

Let's say this is true, doesn't this mean the youtubers are the real reviewers that the players trust, the access media reviewers tried everything in their power to prop this game up to no avail. So maybe it's time for the industry execs to cater to these youtubers who wield the actual power to influence buying decisions.

 

[DonF]

Maaan I used to like jaffe but it's like he's been a contrarian for the last 19 years.

 

[RoboFu]

Just in case he reads this... to be serious for moment..

The YT Grifters only pick up on what's already happening. They don't chance things. They got to keep their followers.

 

[Harlock]

The most sad is that even with clickbait his video cant reach 4k views.

 

[Mister Wolf]

So Veilguard got owned by the Chuds?

 

[Hypereides]

I miss young and edgy 00's Jaffe. That guy was cool. I can't see much of that in current Jaffe anymore.

 

[GHG]

I doubt you even played it

So people need to play every piece of shit to have an opinion on it?

This game in particular you don't need to play in order to recognise it's a turd.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I’ve never liked this dude. Rarely agree with him about anything, he’s so obtuse and contrary it’s hard to take. I know when I hear his name it will be some shit to piss me off. Who is the YouTube grifter here? I think it’s him. Who is the asshole again? I’m proud to see everybody going out of their way not to make fun of this dude. Good on us. Rise above this bullshit and keep our eyes on the industry, where we are winning.

 

[Kurotri]

I doubt you even played it

I don't get this. So if I watch footage of the game and read up about the narrative that surrounds it, it's not enough for me to have an opinion? I've seen the gameplay, the writing and acting and it looks supbar. You want me to pay money for a product that doesn't appeal to me so that I can win some online argument? Let's say I did play it and loved it to bits, would that change the general narrative and controversy surrounding this game? We wouldn't even be having this thread or conversation right now if it was a good game.

 

[SJRB]

It's youtube and twitter grifters that killed Forspoken though.
Don't know about this veilguard piece of shite

 

[Panajev2001a]

At the risk of setting myself on fire here. He's not completely wrong.

People are already starting on Avowed simply because we now know you choose pronouns in the character creator.

The obvious solution is if that kind of stuff bothers you, ignore it, play something else. Leave it for people who want it. There's more than enough games for all of us out there. No need to set fire to it because it hurts your feelings.

But we're not ready for that conversation.

Goes back in time when Jason S. started. Shut post because the team picture had too many white guys or the time where people were dunking on game X because it was not targeting modern audiences or it showed breasts or something… and people were constantly mobbing devs and fans online. Who defended games then?

Are we ready to have the conversation that trying to (too quickly) push too much change through at once (online mobs/activists) started a mechanism the people who started it had to know they would suffer from it too?
Some people did warn about that…

 

[Clear]

I don't think its arguable that any sort of "grifter" can generate indifference! At best/worst they can gin up controversy and make people angry, but indifference?

Nope.

And indifference is what kills. Because telling people "you shouldn't like this thing for x political reason" only affects people who already hold that view, everyone outside that ideology judges based on other criteria, PLUS the fact that they are being told what to do/think.

Its a lose-lose for the activists outside what they can gather from their audience.

The idea that the "right wing chuds" are apparently all-powerful while "progressive activists" have failed in every single instance where they've tried to organize boycotts and hurt sales of games, despite usually having the backing of swathes of the enthusiast press, should make people question the narrative.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Poor lad.
He never really did pick himself up after Drawn to Death.
But then again i don't think he's been right in the head since god of war.

Very creative bloke but defiantly not all their in the head.

 

[SkylineRKR]

The guy was way more edgy than he is today. I guess hes been radicalized.

Being a DA game it should be compared to its predecessors, and compared to those this game sucks. Its dumbed down, and its dialogues are horrible.

 

[AtomicStarving]

This guy is a dumb fuck. When he talks is the marijuana talking

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Jaffe may have a point. Was watching critical drinker and it lead to another yr for cap america3 aka called black cap america. Watch it and realized these idiots don’t read comics as a majority was saying non my cap not realizing falcon becomes captain eventually note this had 150k views.

 

[rm082e]

I listened to the video in the OP (while doing laundry) and DJ doesn't blame this whole thing on grifters. He says the game is not great, but also there are YouTube personalities who have made the focus of their content shitting on things they don't like, and he's correct about that.

Veilgaurd isn't a great game, and it does have left-wing culture war stuff in it.

EA did try to influence review scores higher than they would have been without their manipulation. Realistically, this would have wound up at an MC score of about 75 if they had sent codes to every reviewer who was interested in the game.

There are media personalities who are making money by feeding red meat to the anti-woke lions.

Ultimately, if it were a great game that lots of people liked, good word of mouth would have overcome the people who were complaining about it. The fact that it didn't overcome them is proof that it's not a great game in the eyes of the many.

 

[tkscz]

People seriously underestimate collective YouTube views and conditioning don’t they. It’s not all or nothing.

Do they have an impact on some? Sure but the majority of people who watch those YouTubers already came to that conclusion before watching that YouTuber, most just want confirmation on their own opinions. I've seen lots of YouTubers who have the opposite opinion of their normal audience get dog piled by said audience. Look at Star Wars Theory for a big example of that. A ton of his original viewers turned hard on him when he didn't like season 3 of Mandolorian, and even more so when he didn't like The Acolyte. His current audience only started watching him when he agreed with them, not thw other way around.

Then there is the fact that specific YouTubers tend to have the same people within their audience. An example is people who subscribe to Critical Drinker tend to also be subscribed to Nerdrodic. So if one has a video that hits over a million views, it's a good chance nearly half of those will also view Nerdrodic's video.

Last, they don't get nearly enough views to make giant impacts on these things.

I'm not saying they don't have an impact, but they don't have this humongous impact that everyone tends to say.

Jaffe may have a point. Was watching critical drinker and it lead to another yr for cap america3 aka called black cap america. Watch it and realized these idiots don’t read comics as a majority was saying non my cap not realizing falcon becomes captain eventually note this had 150k views.

I've read the comics and new it was a thing but it wasn't something people cared for in the comics either. Steve would eventually get deaged again and get the syrum back and take the mantle of Captain America again. Drinker also says what the average non-comic book reader would think. They aren't used to how comics work.

 

[AmuroChan]

Maybe it affected a few hundred viewers of these videos, but c'mon now. Gamers will play the games that they want to play, regardless of other people's opinions. The fact of the matter is that Veilguard wasn't marketed well and what they've shown of it pre-release didn't look appealing to a lot of people.

 

[nkarafo]

This cuck directed the Twisted Metal and old God of War games?

 

[bitbydeath]

He lost my respect long ago when he was triggered by this tweet:

Because those horny women are trying to rip the guy’s clothes off?

Sounds like jealousy.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I am reading some reviews from people usually not sensitive to the woke crap. But even them noticed it and said it's a terrible game because of it.

Those youtube grifters are probably one of those normal gamers (who are paying their own games), not like the vast majority of mainstream media.

 

[hemo memo]

The most sad is that even with clickbait his video cant reach 4k views.

This is indeed sad. A stupid kid youtube video of Cod get more numbers.