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[Jibran#one]

Take all the grifting in the world now put it against baldurs gate 3 , it wont do jack shit because
It's a great fucking game
U make a great game people will play , buy and talk about it for years .
U think elden ring could be killed with grifting of some YouTubers ?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

As always the stupid hobo beard dude is wrong - it’s a 7/10 game, there is nothing to kill. It’s a game that is worse than Inquisition, a lot worse than DA:O, maybe / maybe not worse than DA2, but that’s not a high bar.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

At the risk of setting myself on fire here. He's not completely wrong.

People are already starting on Avowed simply because we now know you choose pronouns in the character creator.

The obvious solution is if that kind of stuff bothers you, ignore it, play something else. Leave it for people who want it. There's more than enough games for all of us out there. No need to set fire to it because it hurts your feelings.

But we're not ready for that conversation.

Why is a game pondering to a very small % of people instead of using the resource to improve the game across the board? Do they have voice acting? Imagine the money spend on recording all the they/them lines.

It’s virtue signalling for brownie points, nothing else. People making this game are still in vast majority white, cis, liberal dudes.

It’s also not even that - ok, you got pronouns, cool. You say you do, along with all other things that the game offers. You don’t go insulting people on Twitter. How fucking damaged you have to be to think this is the right answer?

 

[Loomy]

Why is a game pondering to a very small % of people instead of using the resource to improve the game across the board? Do they have voice acting? Imagine the money spend on recording all the they/them lines.

It’s virtue signalling for brownie points, nothing else. People making this game are still in vast majority white, cis, liberal dudes.

It’s also not even that - ok, you got pronouns, cool. You say you do, along with all other things that the game offers. You don’t go insulting people on Twitter. How fucking damaged you have to be to think this is the right answer?

This is dumb and the only reason I can think of that they do this is they're just assholes.

However, if a developer wants to spend 100s of millions on a game that caters to 1% of the gaming population, that's their right. It's also our right to not spend a dime on that game if we're offended by it.

 

[Kacho]

Little secret: they never are. They only know how to scream, not what to buy

@thread

Just watched this. Jaffe got annihilated and looks even worse lol

 

[thief183]

Well, I know that I avoid every game he likes cause we got opposite tastes, so from a certain point of view it is his fault of veilgard failed.

 

[mayham2199]

Eh Jaffee admits he doesn’t even finish many g

Why is a game pondering to a very small % of people instead of using the resource to improve the game across the board? Do they have voice acting? Imagine the money spend on recording all the they/them lines.

It’s virtue signalling for brownie points, nothing else. People making this game are still in vast majority white, cis, liberal dudes.

It’s also not even that - ok, you got pronouns, cool. You say you do, along with all other things that the game offers. You don’t go insulting people on Twitter. How fucking damaged you have to be to think this is the right answer?

I really don’t get the pandering either. I don’t care as much about it as others do though.

Going online to insult people though? That’s just doesn’t make sense.

 

[DryvBy]

At the risk of setting myself on fire here. He's not completely wrong.

People are already starting on Avowed simply because we now know you choose pronouns in the character creator.

The obvious solution is if that kind of stuff bothers you, ignore it, play something else. Leave it for people who want it. There's more than enough games for all of us out there. No need to set fire to it because it hurts your feelings.

But we're not ready for that conversation.

We are playing something else. That's their problem.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Take all the grifting in the world now put it against baldurs gate 3 , it wont do jack shit because
It's a great fucking game
U make a great game people will play , buy and talk about it for years .
U think elden ring could be killed with grifting of some YouTubers ?

Yeah as long as the game is actually great then it's passable although it's rare for them to be. I'll say Elder Scrolls VI would be the next mega game that'll be extremely successful no matter how much it gets trashed since Elder Scrolls is always about a great epic immersive adventure sim with lots of choices, options, and modding.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Why is a game pondering to a very small % of people instead of using the resource to improve the game across the board? Do they have voice acting? Imagine the money spend on recording all the they/them lines.

It’s virtue signalling for brownie points, nothing else. People making this game are still in vast majority white, cis, liberal dudes.

It’s also not even that - ok, you got pronouns, cool. You say you do, along with all other things that the game offers. You don’t go insulting people on Twitter. How fucking damaged you have to be to think this is the right answer?

Let me be cynnical here for a moment.

Let's say they dropped the pronouns wholesale - minimal development need akin to switching a toggle off in the matter of seconds. They would instantly boost potential sales. They still lose some who remain distrustful, but they gain.

This makes sense, right? A win/win as the suits say.

They won't do it cause this is vanity of a handful of key execs and team leads. They would rather lose out on sales to wave the flag they want for completely irrational reasons in the business world.

There is a sickness in the AAA Western devs and pubs that makes no business sense.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Let me be cynnical here for a moment.

Let's say they dropped the pronouns whole say - minimal development need akin to switching a toggle off in the matter of seconds. They would instantly boost potential sales. They still lose some who remain distrustful, but they gain.

This makes sense, right? A win/win as the suits say.

They won't do it cause this is vanity of key execs. They would rather lose out on sales to wave the flag they want for wholesale irrational reasons in the business world.

There is a sickness in the AAA Western devs and pubs that makes no business sense.

Agreed.

Veilguard would be a good example since many people are into big budget western rpg and normally one would think Veilguard would have extremely successful and have great reception. Similar to a modern day Witcher 3 where a lot of folks never played the first 2 but sees a big budget western rpg and got interested. Veilguard should have sold even more than that since it's 2024 and their pervious dragon age games were more successful and sold way more compared to Witcher 1 and 2. But they made a gamble with common sense and decided to stick their retarded woke crap onto the game and now not only is the game selling way below expectation but also way below good reception from people.

If the game was actually good and have none of the woke shit or tone that crap down to a acceptable level than most people on youtube wouldn't even trash it in the first place.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Let me be cynnical here for a moment.

Let's say they dropped the pronouns wholesale - minimal development need akin to switching a toggle off in the matter of seconds. They would instantly boost potential sales. They still lose some who remain distrustful, but they gain.

This makes sense, right? A win/win as the suits say.

They won't do it cause this is vanity of a handful of key execs and team leads. They would rather lose out on sales to wave the flag they want for completely irrational reasons in the business world.

There is a sickness in the AAA Western devs and pubs that makes no business sense.

In a way I think it’s good the industry’s weeds out like this.

Even though bioware is already working on the new mass effect as EA seems to treat them like royalty compared to other studios they have gassed fast the past 20 years, bad sales, studios closing and weird employees getting gassed is good to right the ship. Not 100% but at least some.

It’s like the stupid dot com bubble of 2000 where shit loads of people got tons of money for stupid ideas. Give them credit for grifting a job out of it for a few years. But most of those lousy dot com places and stocks disappeared. What remained since are the companies with more solid financials and products people have enjoyed since then.

You can tell bad products are an issue in gaming because the term shovelware is used. Name one other industry where people think a big portion of products are so bad they get their own term? Gamers would be happy if they can trust their dollar leads to a good product like buying a microwave or a bag of oranges and you know it’ll never be as bad as big rig racing. It might not be great, but likely not shovelware quality. Most products have a reasonable range of quality. Gaming’s scale is so wide you get big rigs shovelware on one end and GTA on the other where the best games are still capped at $70 US.

Also similar to sports teams. When a team gets too old, crusty, has bad attitudes, or has bad coaches sometimes you just got to get rid of everyone and rebuild.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Agreed.

Veilguard would be a good example since many people are into big budget western rpg and normally one would think Veilguard would have extremely successful and have great reception. Similar to a modern day Witcher 3 where a lot of folks never played the first 2 but sees a big budget western rpg and got interested. Veilguard should have sold even more than that since it's 2024 and their pervious dragon age games were more successful and sold way more compared to Witcher 1 and 2. But they made a gamble with common sense and decided to stick their retarded woke crap onto the game and now not only is the game selling way below expectation but also way below good reception from people.

If the game was actually good and have none of the woke shit or tone that crap down to a acceptable level than most people on youtube wouldn't even trash it in the first place.

Here's something interesting. With DAV and other 'woke' games, the players that defend it in these very forums or claim to support future titltes like it...

ever notice they say they support them in spite of and never because of?

So even when these game land with some consumers, its a muted adoption that leaves even the fence sitters leaning away because of these elements that are meant to pander to a fraction of a fraction of their potential customer base.

In a way I think it’s good the industry’s weeds out like this.

Even though bioware is already working on the new mass effect as EA seems to treat them like royalty compared to other studios they have gassed fast the past 20 years, bad sales, studios closing and weird employees getting gassed is good to right the ship. Not 100% but at least some.

It’s like the stupid dot com bubble of 2000 where shit loads of people got tons of money for stupid ideas. Give them credit for grifting a job out of it for a few years. But most of those lousy dot com places and stocks disappeared. What remained since are the companies with more solid financials and products people have enjoyed since then.

Also similar to sports teams. When a team gets too old, crusty, has bad attitudes, or has bad coaches sometimes you just got to get rid of everyone and rebuild.

Yeah, and my white pill point I am leaning towards is that it is happening behind the scenes already. At the end of the day, these fuckers just want money and more specifically as much money as they can possibly get. This social activisim in development is being seen as a liability. If I ventured a guess, behind the scenes they are cutting things out in some games and wholesale rewriting games in early production.

But we won't know if this is accurate for atleast a year to see the tone and messaging on new game trailers and previews.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Here's something interesting. With DAV and other 'woke' games, the players that defend it in these very forums or claim to support future titltes like it...

ever notice they say they support them in spite of and never because of?

So even when these game land with some consumers, its a muted adoption that leaves even the fence sitters leaning away because of these elements that are meant to pander to a fraction of a fraction of their potential customer base.





Yeah, and my white pill point I am leaning towards is that it is happening behind the scenes already. At the end of the day, these fuckers just want money and more specifically as much money as they can possibly get. This social activisim in development is being seen as a liability. If I ventured a guess, behind the scenes they are cutting things out in some games and wholesale rewriting games in early production.

But we won't know if this is accurate for atleast a year to see the tone and messaging on new game trailers and previews.

To me inthink maybe somewhere around 2010(?) I took a guess, gaming changed. Maybe it was earlier or later. It it seems gaming in the 80s and 90s and even 2000s the games were made by people who truly loved games. Not political. Skilled techno geeks where you see photos and you can tell they’re the geeky kind of people who grew up playing DND or C64 and are making games from the heart. Not a money grab. Not personal issues and politics going into a game. Just people who love games and have the technical kill to make it.

 

[RoboFu]

I’m not fan of either Veilguard or Concord but devs have every fucking right to make those games.

I also don’t like the idea restricting devs, they should allowed to make whatever they want but us as consumer also allowed to like or not like them.

true to an extent .. but we also have the right to point it out when they try to hide some weird agenda BS.

Veilguard is no different than if they had a devout Christian character that you had to bow to and accept Jesus to continue. That shit wouldn't fly either.

What if they added a " choose your religion " in the character editor and only gave you the choice of Christian or Jewish?
Nope that wouldn't even get published. That's like having to choose a pronoun and not have the basic male / female options.

 

[Plague Doctor]

To me inthink maybe somewhere around 2010(?) I took a guess, gaming changed. Maybe it was earlier or later. It it seems gaming in the 80s and 90s and even 2000s the games were made by people who truly loved games. Not political. Skilled techno geeks where you see photos and you can tell they’re the geeky kind of people who grew up playing DND or C64 and are making games from the heart. Not a money grab. Not personal issues and politics going into a game. Just people who love games and have the technical kill to make it.

Yeah I definitely think the Dev teams were mostly like that. Though the money people, even in the 80s, were just cut throat sharks looking to make as much money as they could. (And I don't think we are disagreeing here)

I think the spirit of those Devs lives on in some AA, Indies, and Eastern dev teams.

The heavy handed, preachy social activism would actually end if the money and the suits just acted in accordance with financial return and growing their IPs. In the last 10 years, perhaps from some activists in their own ranks or the cheapness of ESG loan money, they encouraged and in Microsoft case even made it mandatory.

Well...the cheap money dried up in 2022/2023 and gravity is kicking in with the money people.

 

[Danjin44]

true to an extent .. but we also have the right to point it out when they try to hide some weird agenda BS.

Veilguard is no different than if they had a devout Christian character that you had to bow to and accept Jesus to continue. That shit wouldn't fly either.

What if they added a " choose your religion " in the character editor and only gave you the choice of Christian or Jewish?
Nope that wouldn't even get published. That's like having to choose a pronoun and not have the basic male / female options.

I dont care about what agenda they have, they can put their beliefs or politics in their game all they want thats their choice. All I care about is end product.

I dont like restricting what devs can or cant put in their game, devs should be 100% free to put whatever they want in their own game and as gamer I'm free to like or not like what they made.

My issue comes when those same western devs and western journalist criticizing Asian devs for putting what they want in their game, freedom works both ways.

 

[Boglin]

I dont care about what agenda they have, they can put their beliefs or politics in their game all they want thats their choice. All I care about is end product.

I dont like restricting what devs can or cant put in their game, devs should be 100% free to put whatever they want in their own game and as gamer I'm free to like or not like what they made.

My issue comes when those same western devs and western journalist criticizing Asian devs for putting what they want in their game, freedom works both ways.

Exactly. Developers are free to create what they want and people are free to pick and indulge themselves in whichever products they like. The studios just need to figure out the market size for various types of content and plan/budget accordingly

 

[mckmas8808]

" one hit wonder " game developer wants attention

Dude created two separate franchises that are classics. Stop the Jaffe disrespect!

 

[Boglin]

I guess to elaborate a bit further, although I think developers have the right to do whatever the hell they want with their own properties, on a personal level I don't think I will ever be cool with established franchises being deliberately changed into something their longstanding fanbases despise. But if a company wants to tank their properties, it's their prerogative. Theres no shortage of other games I can switch my attention to.

 

[Rentahamster]

Little secret: they never are. They only know how to scream, not what to buy

@thread

"He didn't fight the Hydra yet, that's why he's saying this."

lol

 

[LectureMaster]

I guess to elaborate a bit further, although I think developers have the right to do whatever the hell they want with their own properties, on a personal level I don't think I will ever be cool with established franchises being deliberately changed into something their longstanding fanbases despise. But if a company wants to tank their properties, it's their prerogative. Theres no shortage of other games I can switch my attention to.

The irony is that Dragon Age has always been a franchise championing diversity in its characters and romances. I think generally it was well received as those elements were organically and believably implemented in previous games. Veilguard just completely ruined the reputation.

 

[Boglin]

The irony is that Dragon Age has always been a franchise championing diversity in its characters and romances. I think generally it was well received as those elements were organically and believably implemented in previous games. Veilguard just completely ruined the reputation.

I have beat all the previous Dragon Age games and despite them having a huge amount of diversity I never felt like the narratives were trying to lecture or educate me about inclusivity.
Clearly the established audience was already okay with those aspects which tells me that having diversity isn't the problem, but the presentation is.

 

[48086]

This take is almost as dumb as his political takes. Probably won't be too much longer until Colin is spouting the same stuff. He runs so much defense for "woke" crap it's a shame he's not paid for it.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I have beat all the previous Dragon Age games and despite them having a huge amount of diversity I never felt like the narratives were trying to lecture or educate me about inclusivity.
Clearly the established audience was already okay with those aspects which tells me that having diversity isn't the problem, but the presentation is.

This.

People or almost everyone never had problems with diversity in the first place when plenty of great movies throughout the decades got plenty of diversity. Over 95% of the folks that dislike DEI aren't actually racist like the retarded woke psychopaths want people to believe. Almost everyone I know aren't racist and I haven't met a actual racist gamer who I know in RL yet besides one of my junior high classmate who refused to play GTA San Andreas simply because he didn't like cast after coming from Vice City. Over 90% of the folks that don't like woke stuff aren't actually bigots either. It's always about how well the prestation or organic it is for the majority of the people.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Check out Jaffe's later video which Asmongld rips apart.

Jaffe is supposed to be a video game vet, yet in reality is barely coherent and rambles on.

Give him credit. He's one of those guys who can take a 1 min thought and stretch it to 5 or 10 min.

Check out the funny bit at the 21:05 min mark. lol

 

[ByWatterson]

David Jaffe is the Pauly Shore of Cliff Blezinskis.

 

[Kacho]

Check out Jaffe's later video which Asmongld rips apart.

Jaffe is supposed to be a video game vet, yet in reality is barely coherent and rambles on.

Give him credit. He's one of those guys who can take a 1 min thought and stretch it to 5 or 10 min.

Check out the funny bit at the 21:05 min mark. lol

I loved his response to being called a grifter. I’m paraphrasing here… “how am I a grifter if I’m expressing my true feelings?”

The woke defenders want to discredit everyone who doesn’t toe the line. It’s incredible to watch when you’re hyper aware of what they are doing.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Bioware has one final out before they're casted out, Origins was a banger, Mass Effect 1-3 had their moments, after Veilguard their next game might be their last chance.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Bioware has one final out before they're casted out, Origins was a banger, Mass Effect 1-3 had their moments, after Veilguard their next game might be their last chance.

They are working on a new ME game. So they got another life.

They seem to got a long leash. Those 360 era games seemed to have built them a lot of cushion with execs because by this time a studio making 3 junky games in a row at EA (ME Andromeda, Anthem, Veilguard) which are reviews lower than usual and sales wise is no way up to expectations would had been gassed by now.

But after 3 sub par games, they got another chance with ME again.

I think that ME Legendary remake edition was well received so it probably bought them some time too.

 

[FunkMiller]

I loved his response to being called a grifter. I’m paraphrasing here… “how am I a grifter if I’m expressing my true feelings?”

The woke defenders want to discredit everyone who doesn’t toe the line. It’s incredible to watch when you’re hyper aware of what they are doing.

Jaffe completely undercuts his point by saying everyone who criticised Veilguard was a grifter. The sweeping generalisation destroys any validity to his statement. Asmon is clearly not grifting. He's saying what he believes.

This is in marked contrast to Grummz, who absolutely is a piece of shit grifter, who is clearly jumping on any 'woke' thing he can to increase engagement and earnings.

 

[Kacho]

This is in marked contrast to Grummz, who absolutely is a piece of shit grifter, who is clearly jumping on any 'woke' thing he can to increase engagement and earnings.

I agree and disagree with this. I think people like Grummz and Endymion are very much anti-woke like a lot of people are. But I would classify them in the extreme fringe of the anti-woke, which does way more harm than good. Both are lolcows like Boogie and Jim Sterling are.

 

[Shadowplay1979]

Ive worked in games in the west and now i work in games in the east, the only thing that killed that game and many like it is... western hiring practices in the game industry.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm watching this now. I just started and laughing my ass off the first 10 minutes. What a shit game. Whomever is a writer at Bioware should be the first out the door. lol

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I agree and disagree with this. I think people like Grummz and Endymion are very much anti-woke like a lot of people are. But I would classify them in the extreme fringe of the anti-woke, which does way more harm than good. Both are lolcows like Boogie and Jim Sterling are.

Never heard of Grummz and Endymion until recently and not interested in looking them up but Asmon always seem chill, sane, lay back, and down to Earth. The only thing bad I see about him from others is that he's dirty which is honestly super minor compared to the actual insane folks he's against. Boogie I remember from a long time ago during the days of Keemstar, Leafyishere, Joey Salads, Idubz etc etc but don't know much about him besides he's a really fat guy. Jim Sterling I found out during my days on Gamefaqs and yeah could already tell his a psychopath clown at first glance. But I also thought he was doing a funny crossdressing parody cause at that time I still had the benefit of a doubt for some of those freaks but he was actually serious lol.

 

[notseqi]

my man has been drunken for years and got everything absolutely the exactly opposite from being reasonable.

oh boy its my time to get a twitter account

edit: i got banned

 

[lh032]

i thought he sucks at playing video games? i can see where this comes from

 

[CityHunter1981]

Wasn’t it rather another rare incel victory?