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Way Too Many Remakes/Remasters
- Thread starter ProtoByte
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Madserb2023
Member
I think remasters are fine as filler between big releases. Not as a substitute though. I just wish they remade old games rather than stuff less than 10 years old.
PurePlatinum
Member
I think I'm mostly okay with remakes and remasters as long as the primary goal is getting the game onto the modern permanent storefronts. Just make this stuff accessible for future generations.
The ones that bother me are PS4->remade for PS5. The jump is so small, and I don't really give a fisherman's fuck about having 3D audio or dual sense support.
The ones that bother me are PS4->remade for PS5. The jump is so small, and I don't really give a fisherman's fuck about having 3D audio or dual sense support.
Nintendo's Witch
Member
I want more
Bernardougf
Member
Yeah this gen sux ... news at eleven
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Nintendo is padding the lineup of a dying console. Sony just released a remaster of a 7 year old game that looked already amazing at release, on a system that has yet to show all of its potential.
And I hope we don’t need to argue that Uncharted, TLOU and Horizon sold magnitudes more than any WiiU game on their first release. Heck, Horizon ZD alone sold about as much as WiiU’s 4 best-selling games combined.
TLOU has had 3 editions in a decade. That one game should be the poster child for remaster fatigue, yet I’ve seen enough people splurging money on it without asking questions.
I’m not saying Nintendo’s strategy is better than Sony’s and deserving of a pass. It’s just less egregious, that’s all.
It’s quite hilarious seeing the stans on each side lambast the people on the opposite side for paying full price for yet another release of a game they’ve already bought, and then proceed to do the same with uttermost satisfaction when the old game with a new coat of paint rereleases on their favorite plastic box.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
There's practically no major AAA title that doesn't go all-hands-on-deck in full production. We've already seen Naughty Dog try and fail to split the difference, we know it has caused problems for Insomniac, it doesn't work for Bethesda, or Rockstar, etc etc.
Anyone, internal or outsourced, spending time and effort and getting paid for work on re-releases could be doing work on those new games. Even setting aside the raw numbers, and I don't think each new game should have 1000s of people on it at once, just the logistics of management and calendar space taken up by this stuff presents an opportunity cost.A
Most of those games are irrelevant and are just taking up space on the storefronts, you know that. I listed the re-release output from major publishers and studios because they are the ones that set the tone for the year. No more than 15-20 games in any given year do or should. And this year, the tone has been set by re-releases by the majority, vastly. That's the problem.
They will soon run out of titles they can reasonably remaster. And I really don't think it builds confidence amongst the majority of the audience. The current gen should have its own library.
By the end of this gen, I would've hope there would be enough failures of what you're talking about to get it through to the studios and management that this clearly isn't a good idea in the long run.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It’s not going to get any better.
Most modern developers aren’t as talented as those in the past either.
Most modern developers aren’t as talented as those in the past either.
bender
What time is it?
Rockstar outsourced the ports of Red Dead PS4/Switch and later to PC as well as well as the unfortunate GTA Trilogy while supporting GTA5 and developing GTA6 so I'm not sure that's the slam dunk example you think it is. Further Nintendo does pretty well with outsourcing and Sony has internal studios that help their remaster and porting efforts.
Further, thinking a resource used elsewhere would be better served to new projects ignores the realities and complexities of development.
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digital_ghost
Member
Got to love the internet.
New Games suck!! I miss the old games.
(brings back old games changing only graphics)
Remakes of good games suck! I want new games.
Can't please everyone.
New Games suck!! I miss the old games.
(brings back old games changing only graphics)
Remakes of good games suck! I want new games.
Can't please everyone.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
If Elden Ring DLCis nominated for GOTY it's not going to be because of a remake. It's going to be because an award show that allowed Cyberpunk to be nominated for Best Ongoing game is once again deciding it doesn't care about its own credibility.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
People on internet love acting jaded and whiny about everything, I think they enjoy that more than playing actual games.
xrnzaaas
Member
I like most remakes & remasters, guess I just like going back to the older games & stories and it's nice when the new version looks prettier or has some archaic mechanics removed. I'm definitely NOT okay with Sony's current remasters & remakes. PS4 games absolutely don't need them yet and I'm not going to support that practice.
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VeganElduderino
Member
remakes are the best (ReRemake, Re2, Silent Hill 2) etc , remasters are a little retarded I think ( Horizon, TLOU)
March Climber
Member
I don't care. It's good for game preservation when done properly. Ignore them and buy new I.P.
Include 'Spends more time overall focusing on remakes and remasters than playing the hundreds of new experiences every year' and this post sums it all up.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I've never been one to say new games suck. I think this year has been particularly weak for new games though.
March Climber
Member
If you mean AAA, there might, might be a case to make here. If you mean gaming in general, this is incorrect.
ZehDon
Member
This entire generation has been a disappointment, frankly. This is just one element of it. If everything was on the level of the Resident Evil 2 remake, I honestly wouldn't even complain about this. But when we get cash grabs like TLOU being sold as full AAA games, or trash like the GTA remasters trying to straight up replace the originals (they walked that back), I think it creates problems in an industry already beset by significant problems.
As always, vote with your wallet.
As always, vote with your wallet.
Sethbacca
Member
Honestly, there are a lot of great games from the late 90s and into the 00s era that have great gameplay but severely dated graphics that may cause someone to skip it. I think it's 100% worth it to do remasters/remakes of these games. The games being remastered from the last 5-7 years is less necessary but not unwelcome, but I'd 100% prefer they focus on bringing quality old stuff into the modern era than adding another layer of paint on an already modern game.
Ocean Dweller
Member
like hollywood, out of ideas
Plague Doctor
Member
Honestly, it's a sign that some western pubs have very little faith with the new things pitched to them. So they are going back to the classics and mining them. Considering new things or installments we have seen released in the last 2 years, I don't blame the money for rejecting new ideas if some of them were the best of the best.
With that said, hope you can embrace AA, indies, and outside the western sphere dev teams cause there has been fantastic new games outside of AAA western ones.
With that said, hope you can embrace AA, indies, and outside the western sphere dev teams cause there has been fantastic new games outside of AAA western ones.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
You and I disagree about this, but some of the new IPs that have come out this year are new IPs in name only.
Like, sorry, but Rise of The Ronin is just more Koei Tecmo slop. Stellar Blade would be and kinda is one of those titles that just comes and goes - only reason anyone was paying attention was because Sony was using it to make their year seem less dire and because of culture war stuff. It just smacks of a mishmash of Nier Automata and Soulslop.
I could go on, but you get the picture. And I would argue that I'm more right than wrong because of the sales and sales trends of these titles.
Like I said to you in the other thread, I don't actually believe that these remasters are reaching the younger half of gamers. Like, FF7R sales base is vast majority people who played the original across its myriad of ports.
I mean, it's Vanillaware and Unicorn Overlord. It's not setting the tone or moving any needles.
We're always told about the bastion of creativity that is the indie space, but I dare say it's just as exhausting as the AAA one is. You're getting a slew of nostalgia-driven "spiritual successors", glorified visual novels, and poor imitations of past AAA experiences that don't meet the standards of either then or now.
I am open to hearing about whatever hidden gems there are, but I would be surprised if it's a name I haven't heard before, most of which are years old at this point.
Besides, the AAA market is what sets the tone. Simple as. If enthusiasm for that drops, indie games won't be exempt from the downturn.
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Sounds like the issue is more with you than anything, if you don’t enjoy anything then no one can fucking help you.
i guess you only see AAA games nothing else…..too bad for you.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Again, you can castigate me if you like, but there are more people in core gaming who did not and will not buy or enjoy this year's new lineup than there are people who did.
You can't expect a calendar year to look like this and not expect people to point it out. This is a video game forum, not church.
It's wishful thinking to believe that the majority of the market doesn't see things this way.
Personally, of course I see and appreciate smaller games and indie games. I do not, however, appreciate them just because they're not AAA.
March Climber
Member
Fix your algorithm. Find newer content creators. Do something so that you're not seeing the same things all the time. I guarantee you it's out there but no one here is going to hold your hand and lead you to new experiences. You will have to do that part mostly by yourself and if you genuinely enjoy gaming you will find those new experiences you're looking for.
I'm not trying to be too harsh here. If your year in gaming is bleak, look outside of these boundaries, goalposts, and parameters you keep placing.
Times have changed. It's time to start looking out of the AAA market and change with those times.
This doesn't matter. Look for YOU. Yourself. Who gives a damn about what the popular vote is here and elsewhere. Find gaming experiences to enjoy for YOU.
Just take a second to really think about what you used to do before forums and social media. How you used to come upon new gaming experiences. Do yourself a favor and try that again.
Trust me this type of thread is made every single year regardless of the quality of releases. After a certain point people have to ask themselves what they're actually playing and if they need to simply take a break or look for new things rather than following trends.
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MiguelItUp
Member
I'm all for it, especially if they're remakes of games that could really use a remake. I can't say that feeling has existed for all of them, or remakes. But hey, if I'm not interested, I don't partake. Surely there are some folks out there interested.
Fortunately we continue to get some new and fairly unique IPs. If those didn't exist at all, I feel like I'd have more of a problem with remakes and remasters. But I won't mind as long as they feel truly deserving of one. There have definitely been a few that just felt... well... unnecessary.
Fortunately we continue to get some new and fairly unique IPs. If those didn't exist at all, I feel like I'd have more of a problem with remakes and remasters. But I won't mind as long as they feel truly deserving of one. There have definitely been a few that just felt... well... unnecessary.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
I find most remasters disappointing. Partly because I realize time moves on. It’s just not the same feeling. Nostalgia is always a mirage with the payoff feeling mediocre.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I said what I said because I've already played around with all sorts of searches and filters, storefronts other than Steam, etc. The vast majority of Steam releases are trash, everyone knows it. I have a certain bar of quality and a sniff test.
You telling someone like me to further minmax the search engine signifies the problem.
I'm just pointing out that too much of this calendar was re-releases. Some of which I actually like or plan to play. I'm less pessimistic on the future of gaming than a lot of people here, and believe that some of the dooming is too much. But you cannot seriously look at this, be given the solution of fine-tuned dumpster diving, and think that everything is great.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
And KEEP THEM COMING I LOVE REMAKES AND REMASTERS!
March Climber
Member
This is an unfair statistic because the amount of games that aren't good compared to good will always be the majority. The library will always increase per year and make this the case due to numbers. Even incredible years like 2023 would be seen as 'majority trash' if you go by this flawed metric.
I promise you there are enough good video games on earth to last you an entire lifetime without complaint.
This is fine and no I'm not saying 'everything is great', I'm simply saying this:
Is incorrect.
Hero_Select
Member
I love Remakes/Remasters (within reason).
There's a crazy amount of new games coming out every week so.. you know.. buy those instead.
There's a crazy amount of new games coming out every week so.. you know.. buy those instead.
amigastar
Member
Same here, i enjoy Remakes/Remasters. Can't wait for the Gothic remake.
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
There are plenty of new games came out this year that are nothing like Dragon Age.
If all you are buying remake or remaster that’s on you.
Gamerguy84
Member
I can kind of agree with this.
Quit making PS4 remakes. If I was that big of a graphic whore I would own/play a PC. I have a PRO because i like good graphics within the PS ecosystem.
Go back to Infamous 1 and remake that. Go remake the best PS1/PS2 games.
I get that profits are shrinking as it cost a lot of money to make big blockbuster guaranteed to make money games.
Quit making PS4 remakes. If I was that big of a graphic whore I would own/play a PC. I have a PRO because i like good graphics within the PS ecosystem.
Go back to Infamous 1 and remake that. Go remake the best PS1/PS2 games.
I get that profits are shrinking as it cost a lot of money to make big blockbuster guaranteed to make money games.
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bitbydeath
Member
Can’t agree with that.
I think it has been the best year we’ve had since (at least) this gen started, IMO.
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