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Nintendo and Sony head into ‘grim’ holiday season with old consoles and no big releases (Financial Times)

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Yes, Sony and Nintendo are in big trouble. Only Xbox is heading into this holiday season fully primed for success.

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They only took a loss on the PS5 for the first 12 months unlike XBox Series X which is still taking a loss I believe. Pro isnt taking a loss at all (same with PS4 Pro)
The margin is likely to be razor thin, however. As in they don’t make a sustainable business from hardware sales alone, they need accessories, software and subscriptions.
 

OGM_Madness

Member
They’ll be fine.

Nintendo just announced Backwards Compatibility for Switch 2.

Sony just launched the Pro.

Both makers have pretty decent line-ups. Put out some great Black Friday/Holiday deals and people will buy games.

I’m hoping for some decent discounts on first-party Nintendo games. And hoping Stellar Blade, Lies of P and a few others get a steep discount to snag them.
 
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Wildebeest

Member
Keep the faith warriors. Everyone is going to be buying their toddlers a Pro for Christmas, so their young, innocent eyes can see Astrobot running at its full potential.
 

EN250

Member
This doesn't affect Xbox or what?

Also "old consoles" the gaming industry is not like smartphones where there are releases every week, what kind of analysis they're doing if they don't know that 🙃
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
This doesn't affect Xbox or what?

Also "old consoles" the gaming industry is not like smartphones where there are releases every week, what kind of analysis they're doing if they don't know that 🙃

Every screen is an Xbox so they are affected everywhere.
 

FrankWza

Gold Member
This doesn't affect Xbox or what?

Also "old consoles" the gaming industry is not like smartphones where there are releases every week, what kind of analysis they're doing if they don't know that 🙃

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I suggest reading the sales pitch in the link for a good laugh at the PS5 Pro disc mention
 
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hemo memo

You can't die before your death
Cloud gaming will NEVER be the best way to game. I don't care what Internet you have.

It has a purpose, but not for your main way to game, if you take gaming seriously, at all.
Cloud gaming wil not be viable for at least another 10 years at the earliest. One of the largest technology companies in the world tried to make it work and failed misrebly. You can't make the iPhone before the iPhone.
 

Polygonal_Sprite

Gold Member
They’re right about one thing. The $700 price tag of the Pro will soften an even. $500 Switch 2 initial reaction especially as for the first time in decades Nintendo will have modern graphical buzzwords like DLSS and Ray Tracing to use to market it thanks to Nvidia.
 

sloppyjoe_gamer

Gold Member
It's not a "new" game, but IMO there is no excuse for Donkey Kong Country Returns HD not coming in Nov or Dec. January is a really boneheaded release date for this one.
 

midnightAI

Member
The margin is likely to be razor thin, however. As in they don’t make a sustainable business from hardware sales alone, they need accessories, software and subscriptions.
Or it might not be razor thin, we don't know for sure, all we do know is that it has been making profit for the past 3 years and profit increases as you buy more from suppliers (components get cheaper over time anyway as they get older and new components are made to replace them) and you make revisions that are more profitable (thats why Slim consoles are made). They have never lowered the price of the PS5 so it wouldn't surprise me if they are making decent profit on it. For Pro I wouldn't be surprised if they are making $50-$100 per unit not including the profit they are making from the drive and stand.

But the original argument that they are making no money off of the PS5 hardware is just wrong.
 
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Buggy Loop

Member
Switch has sold bonkers without a single price drop… if sales are heading towards shit, they can easily unclog it.
 

EN250

Member
Will be funny when people realise that Switch 2 will be $500 or even more.
Yeah, this is not happening, they'll just use the most barebones and lackluster HW available to adapt to a mass market price

@500 you have a PS5/Series X level HW and no matter how great Nvidia is against AMD, they can't make magic with a small form factor and power consumption
 

Brucey

Member
Cloud gaming will NEVER be the best way to game. I don't care what Internet you have.

It has a purpose, but not for your main way to game, if you take gaming seriously, at all.
It doesn't matter what kind of Internet link you have xcloud still looks like garbage.
 

SweetTooth

Gold Member
Yeah, this is not happening, they'll just use the most barebones and lackluster HW available to adapt to a mass market price

@500 you have a PS5/Series X level HW and no matter how great Nvidia is against AMD, they can't make magic with a small form factor and power consumption

Goddamn luck achieving that @700 portable
 
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diffusionx

Gold Member
It's not a "new" game, but IMO there is no excuse for Donkey Kong Country Returns HD not coming in Nov or Dec. January is a really boneheaded release date for this one.
They put out a new Mario & Luigi and a new Zelda game recently. Even if those games don't have the juice of other games, they've managed to somehow keep the content flowing. Putting out a "new" game in January isn't a horrible idea, especially for people who just got a Switch.
 

Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
"Old consoles". They really just boxed PS5 (that just released a new Pro version) with 2017 Switch and didn't even mention Xbox in there lmao.


Alright who wrote this. It's kind of hilarious.
If we learned anything from the ABK takeover, it is that the FT is a proxy mouthpiece for MS to push their narratives.
 

fbnaulin

Neo Member
This article doesn't make any sense. But, if I suppose it's paid by Microsoft, it contains relevant information about Xbox future:
  • shifting to the cloud.
  • portable component built in.
  • sell more of its own games on rival consoles.
  • promote Game Pass.
  • premium console that is not a core part of the business.
It's coherent with rumours and current steps.
 
There was someone else that was saying that the console market has hit a hard ceiling. Seems like others are now sharing that sentiment and backing up those statements.

Has anyone ever really disputed that consoles have a hard ceiling? I thought that was pretty well known.

This article doesn't make any sense. But, if I suppose it's paid by Microsoft, it contains relevant information about Xbox future:
  • shifting to the cloud.
  • portable component built in.
  • sell more of its own games on rival consoles.
  • promote Game Pass.
  • premium console that is not a core part of the business.
It's coherent with rumours and current steps.

Might make sense on why they completed left MS out of the article cause I don't understand why they would do that.
 
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Hmm...almost as if the FT have a vested interest in Microsoft. Why aren't they being doomer for Xbox? 🤔

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A console that's 5 days old like the PS5 pro is already old? xD, they don't even remember Xbox in the headline.

No, they didn't "forget". They intentionally left it out. It's the typical Western shill media running ops for a $3 trillion "American" mega-conglomerate and spreading FUD about their competitors in a given market.

If we had a government worth a shit, companies like Microsoft would lose their business licenses for enabling this kind of crap.
 
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Kataploom

Gold Member
Nintendo? I guess someone got called out for a PS article and was asked to soften it by spreading damage lol
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Has anyone ever really disputed that consoles have a hard ceiling? I thought that was pretty well known.

You are right, they havent. Unfortunately game development costs are increasing at such a rate and beyond control that selling the same $70 dollar games to 10s of million if you are lucky isn't enough. Even Sony is struggling, clearly from their statements over the last week.
 
Sounds like bullshit, but I will say from my perspective this will be the first holiday season in many years where I don’t have a game I’m anticipating to buy and play over the holidays. I’m thinking it’s been over 15 years since I’ve felt this way, there’s just nothing coming out, or nothing that recently released that has me excited to play as my Christmas break game.
 
You are right, they havent. Unfortunately game development costs are increasing at such a rate and beyond control that selling the same $70 dollar games to 10s of million if you are lucky isn't enough. Even Sony is struggling, clearly from their statements over the last week.
Sony I think has bigger issues that can be cleaned up internally to resolve this. Capcom releases DD2 and it does 2.5 million and they were amazed by those sales. So clearly it can work, changes just need to be made. I remember the new CEO asked Insomniac why the cost to make SM2 increased so much and the devs couldn't provide an answer to that. They should know why the cost to make the game increased so drastically.
 
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od-chan

Member
For millions of players, that is not an option.

I realize it currently might not be a viable option for some people, just like some can't stream netflix 4k, but nevertheless, it is the future. Dismissing that, especially on technical grounds because because your own connection doesn't cut it, is beyond ridiculous. It's like saying "1080p will never be the future, my crt only does 1024x768!".

E: just to be clear, I don't even like that future. It just makes so much more sense for the corporations, in order to collect data, serve games to any random smart tv, control your access, control prices and many other things.
 
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Kamina

Golden Boy
Old Consoles?
Nintendo yes, but why would they stress it when they can harvest the Switch X-Mas business?
 
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It's been four years since launch...
As Sony themselves have said, as well as what we know of Xbox and Nintendo, particularly since COVID, the time that passes from a console launch through the end of the console cycle no longer allows much for significantly reducing price, as it did in previous console cycles. The economics have changed, Sony is no more immune to that than Nintendo, Xbox, Valve, etc.
 
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