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[FunkMiller]

Humanity and society evolve, those that do not tend to be left behind after awhile.

We don’t evolve past biological and scientific reality. Male and female will always be reality.

 

[Zacfoldor]

 

[Kdad]

We don’t evolve past biological and scientific reality. Male and female will always be reality.

Who is denying male and female exist? Sex is sex, the discussion is about gender.

 

[FunkMiller]

Who is denying male and female exist? Sex is sex, the discussion is about gender.

The people who keep putting pronoun choices in games, mostly.

 

[Kdad]

The people who keep putting pronoun choices in games, mostly.

Pronouns are about gender, not about sex.

 

[FunkMiller]

Pronoun choices are about gender, not about sex.

Tell the trans activist lobby that. If they'd spent a bit more time embracing scientific reality, then maybe the push back that things like this are getting now wouldn't be so bad.

 

[BlackTron]

Ok I lost it when I got to the power strip plugged into itself head. Couldn't finish reading it for like two minutes, every time I looked I just died again

 

[near]

He's making a statement that "normal" itself doesn't exist and what was considered normal before is no longer normal by questioning how far back this normal would be for a given individual. In the past it was "normal" to own slaves. In the past it was normal for women not to vote. Would those be considered "normal" today?

Not all developers have conformed to the woke mind virus. So you need not look far to find that normal still exists today in some games. It’s the commercial, AAA ones from major publishers that seem to be pushing the ideology. It is unwanted abnormal behaviour. It’s not that complicated. We’re discussing video games, not societal injustices.

 

[Radical_3d]

Pronouns are about gender, not about sex.

I think you’ve missed some of the most entertaining part of American politics…
… I envy you.

 

[TheChadOfGaming]

based and true

 

[Three]

We don’t evolve past biological and scientific reality. Male and female will always be reality.

Taking Hormones and having naturally androgynous features are also "scientific reality", as are "top scars" and any other "unusual" things people decide to include in their art which imitates life.

I'm not woke nor a fan of forcing any ideology but I think some of the things people try to do with freedom of speech and self expression in these type of threads is unwarranted. For example I don't necessarily like or 'believe' in plastic surgery either. Doesn't mean I'm going to say "your small tits are a scientific reality, you've got a mind virus and are mentally ill for not accepting that" to somebody who wants to have a boob job, nose job, facelift or whatever. Let people live how they want to live and dont try and suggest what's unacceptable or "not normal" to other people even when you don't necessarily agree with their decisions or ideology. It's when people find other peoples self expression or freedom of speech "unacceptable" that problems arise.

 

[Kdad]

Tell the trans activist lobby that. If they'd spent a bit more time embracing scientific reality, then maybe the push back that things like this are getting now wouldn't be so bad.

Gender is not a biological function. Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization. Gender identity is a person's internal sense of self, whether they see themselves as male, female, or another gender. What 'scientific reality' do you think is threatened. Female and male exist. A spectrum also exists according to DSD. Are you stating that the genetic spectrum found in those with DSD should not be labelled as anything other than male or female...i mean...you're asking for science, so here is science. Make sure to read all the linked refrences and not just rely on wiki.

 

[Three]

Not all developers have conformed to the woke mind virus. So you need not look far to find that normal still exists today in some games. It’s the commercial, AAA ones from major publishers that seem to be pushing the ideology. It is unwanted abnormal behaviour. It’s not that complicated. We’re discussing video games, not societal injustices.

If it's "just video games" then what's the issue? this fantasy world includes some not important character info. It clearly extends to what is considered "normal" in society and not just in a videogame.

 

[ResilientBanana]

What an utter child. Pronouns have no place in a fantasy video game.

To be fair anything beyond male and female is mental illness. Haven’t been enough population draining wars and has given people too much time to think profoundly in the wrong directions. Which in turn has created our current woke environment.

Gender is not a biological function. Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization. Gender identity is a person's internal sense of self, whether they see themselves as male, female, or another gender. What 'scientific reality' do you think is threatened. Female and male exist. A spectrum also exists according to DSD. Are you stating that the genetic spectrum found in those with DSD should not be labelled as anything other than male or female...i mean...you're asking for science, so here is science. Make sure to read all the linked refrences and not just rely on wiki.

This is precisely what I’m talking about. Is not a social construct. It’s coded into our DNA upon creation. There are many ways to tell whether or not someone is male or female. Sometimes in rare cases can you have both genitalia, but oddly enough you never see that in video games, as that’s an inconvenient thought for a lot of these wokesters. Inconsistencies are consistent and the goal posts are always moving. But ultimately, male or female, 1 or 0, positive or negative. Anything other than 2 is straight up delusion.

 

[near]

If it's "just video games" then what's the issue?

You normally put things in quotation when you’re quoting someone not paraphrasing.

It clearly extends to what is considered "normal" in society and not just in a videogame.

Debatable.

 

[RoboFu]

What an utter child. Pronouns have no place in a fantasy video game.

A child? lol who are the ones playing pretend ?

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Dragon Age is at 20k players now. Is that good?

how do you know they identify as players

 

[kevboard]

Gender is not a biological function.

yes it is

Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization.

no it's not.
gender has been coopted as weaponised way to say "personality"

but because it's really hard to weaponise your personality traits (or the lack there of) to virtue signal and/or get access to the claim of being part of a minority group, these narcissistic fucks took some pseudoscientific bullshit they found and applied it to themselves.

they shield themselves from criticism and scrutiny by latching onto the "trans" community like some parasite, so they can call people that don't play ball with their absolutely nonsensical bullshit transphobes.

if these narcissistic fucks would use normal people terms they couldn't do that.
imagine someone trying to send a hatemob someone's way by saying "that person is guy-who-likes-the-color-pink-and-dancing-phobic!!!"
doesn't work. but that's literally the entire concept behind this bullshit

 

[EviLore]

Gender is not a biological function. Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization. Gender identity is a person's internal sense of self, whether they see themselves as male, female, or another gender. What 'scientific reality' do you think is threatened. Female and male exist. A spectrum also exists according to DSD. Are you stating that the genetic spectrum found in those with DSD should not be labelled as anything other than male or female...i mean...you're asking for science, so here is science. Make sure to read all the linked refrences and not just rely on wiki.

Gender studies major confirmed, activate emergency countermeasures

 

[Bernardougf]

Taking Hormones and having naturally androgynous features are also "scientific reality", as are "top scars" and any other "unusual" things people decide to include in their art which imitates life.

I'm not woke nor a fan of forcing any ideology but I think some of the things people try to do with freedom of speech and self expression in these type of threads is unwarranted. For example I don't necessarily like or 'believe' in plastic surgery either. Doesn't mean I'm going to say "your small tits are a scientific reality, you've got a mind virus and are mentally ill for not accepting that" to somebody who wants to have a boob job, nose job, facelift or whatever. Let people live how they want to live and dont try and suggest what's unacceptable or "not normal" to other people even when you don't necessarily agree with their decisions or ideology. It's when people find other peoples self expression or freedom of speech "unacceptable" that problems arise.

One thing I can tell you for sure .. none of my patients forms groups and go online trying to make people think that silicone breasts are the new normal ... they just go and leave their lifes and dont give a fuck about what others think about their fake boobs ... so... big fucking difference.

 

[chakadave]

I agree with him

What is the solution though? Totalitarian control of developers? It is yea and it is stupid. But we can’t do anything about it.

 

[Jormatar]

I mean as much as I find these things unnecessary I still wouldn't skip playing a game if it is actually good. But based on everything I've seen the game looks mid as fuck with nothing interesting going on.

Easy skip.

 

[kevboard]

What is the solution though? Totalitarian control of developers? It is yea and it is stupid. But we can’t do anything about it.

the solution is to publicly shit on it and hope it fails and the devs responsible to lose their jobs

 

[Bernardougf]

What is the solution though? Totalitarian control of developers? It is yea and it is stupid. But we can’t do anything about it.

Not ever.. the developer should always do whatever they feel like doing.. its their game ... now we can choose not to buy their product and state our reasons. Fair game.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[RoboFu]

What is the solution though? Totalitarian control of developers? It is yea and it is stupid. But we can’t do anything about it.

Don't buy the games. Seems to be working in getting it noticed

 

[BennyBlanco]

What is the solution though? Totalitarian control of developers? It is yea and it is stupid. But we can’t do anything about it.

The solution is to not buy woke slop, and it seems like people started doing so this year. High profile flop after flop. Publishers are gonna stop it themselves because they want to stay in business eventually.

 

[Schmendrick]

Gender is not a biological function. Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization. Gender identity is a person's internal sense of self, whether they see themselves as male, female, or another gender.

and if the internal sense of self clashes with reality psychological treatment is necessary, not hormonal treatment, mutilation and especially not play pretend with everyone else as unwilling participants...

These people are sick and need help to cope with reality and supporting the delusions of mental patients usually ends in a catastrophe.

The current extreme with some people trying to force whole societies to play pretend is simply insane, and that absolutely includes self assignment of real or made up pronouns.

 

[Three]

One thing I can tell you for sure .. none of my patients forms groups and go online trying to make people think that silicone breasts are the new normal ... they just go and leave their lifes and dont give a fuck about what others think about their fake boobs ... so... big fucking difference.

Nobody is suggesting that the majority of people have "boob jobs" or the majority of games/people use pronouns if that's what you're getting at with "new normal" but in the 50s the idea of putting silicone in your body to make your breasts bigger was not considered "normal" like it is today.

 

[FunkMiller]

Gender is not a biological function. Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization. Gender identity is a person's internal sense of self, whether they see themselves as male, female, or another gender. What 'scientific reality' do you think is threatened. Female and male exist. A spectrum also exists according to DSD. Are you stating that the genetic spectrum found in those with DSD should not be labelled as anything other than male or female...i mean...you're asking for science, so here is science. Make sure to read all the linked refrences and not just rely on wiki.

You've massively side stepped the point I was making. Which is, to clarify, that the backlash against pronoun inclusion in video games has been exacerbated by the trans movement's inability to accept biological reality, and their willingness to lambast and insult anyone who disagrees with their position.

You are free to wax lyrical all you like about perceptions of gender, but I'm addressing why so many people are dead set against seeing pronoun choices in video games.

Also, not sure bringing up DSD - which is a congenital birth defect - is exactly the strong argument for there being a spectrum of sexes you think it is. Or are you also going to say that there's a spectrum of how many arms or legs human beings have?

And how do you think your rather sad attempt at being patronising helps your argument? Especially when it's such a weak one?

 

[Bernardougf]

Nobody is suggesting that the majority of people have "boob jobs" or the majority of games/people use pronouns if that's what you're getting at with "new normal" but in the 50s the idea of putting silicone in your body to make your breasts bigger was not considered "normal" like it is today.

No matter how society views plastic surgery Fake Breast are always going to be fake breasts.. the patients know it, we know it and it will always be fake breasts.. therefore not normal. Accepting something exists dosent make it a normality ... everyone has the right call themself joan of fucking arc ... dosent mean I have to think is normal... I just accept that now my naibor is crazy and move on ... a lot of people saying crazy shit dosent make it normal, ever.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

are you also going to say that there's a spectrum of how many arms or legs human beings have?

There definitely is, to be fair.

 

[PeteBull]

Gender is not a biological function. Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization. Gender identity is a person's internal sense of self, whether they see themselves as male, female, or another gender. What 'scientific reality' do you think is threatened. Female and male exist. A spectrum also exists according to DSD. Are you stating that the genetic spectrum found in those with DSD should not be labelled as anything other than male or female...i mean...you're asking for science, so here is science. Make sure to read all the linked refrences and not just rely on wiki.

Lets put it this way, there was no "gender" till very recently, gender ideology, which got pushed hard by "progressive" western clowns is worldview most ppl on earth dont agree with, so dont present it as a factual truth, its like u trying to convince secular ppl about ur religion, we wont believe in it period, and we are allowed to have traditional belief system, u believe in what u want, we aka majoririty of ppl in the world will not believe in it, we simply prefer biology/science/reality instead

Ppl who believe in gender ideology are small minority of the world, not even 50m ppl in the US, maybe around half of Canada which has tiny population, and add to that to be generous 50% of Europe and Australia, that is it, maybe total of 500m ppl out of 8bilion so 6,25% at best.

I think there is even more ppl(mostly women) who believe in astrology than in the gender, and thats total bullcrap too

 

[FunkMiller]

There definitely is, to be fair.

No there isn't. Human beings have biologically two arms and two legs. In the rare cases when someone is born with less (or more) that is a defect.

I don't hear anyone from the trans movement claiming their defective, do you? Their claim is that sex exists on a spectrum. It doesn't. Mutations and defects are vanishingly rare among the population, and are in no way indicative of a spectrum.

 

[near]

Gender is not a biological function. Gender is a social, psychological, and cultural construct that is developed through socialization. Gender identity is a person's internal sense of self, whether they see themselves as male, female, or another gender. What 'scientific reality' do you think is threatened. Female and male exist. A spectrum also exists according to DSD. Are you stating that the genetic spectrum found in those with DSD should not be labelled as anything other than male or female...i mean...you're asking for science, so here is science. Make sure to read all the linked refrences and not just rely on wiki.

Fuck it, you’ve convinced me. I’m non-binary now.

 

[Eimran]

I just wish we could go back to a normal gaming industry, not obsessed with political propaganda.

It'll stop when you stop giving these people money to make games

 

[Kacho]

Fuck it, you’ve convinced me. I’m non-binary now.

Welcome to the new normal, pal

 

[Stu_Hart]

"Let's find something to collective bitch about because why not?"

 

[Bernardougf]

It'll stop when you stop giving these people money to make games

Its going to gamepass ... theres no money to be made there...

 

[PeteBull]

It'll stop when you stop giving these people money to make games

Nothing on gaf surprises me anymore, i bet some desperate gaf-bro gonna post that famous asian politcan "would" meme soon

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Being classified male or female is as simple as being born with a sausage or a peach. That's really it.

If someone wants to identify as male, female, or an "it" bar stool, go ahead. but born and bred you're male or female, with the 1/100000 chance you got born with both organs and are a hermaphrodite. Ok fine, for those handful of hermies go ahead and complain to every person, application form and driver's license department you cant decide which to choose.

But like anything in life, majority rules and you got to go with the flow. And that means 99% of the time you choose male or female.

It's really no different than having an ethnic background. Whether someone is a pasty whitey from Northern Europe, or a darky darko from African or India you have an ethnic racial background (I'm not talking about location of birth country citizenship). A blonde guy with Swedish roots doesn't have an Indian background, and vice versa. Its that simple.

Grow up and dont make up self serving rules.

 

[Bernardougf]

Nothing on gaf surprises me anymore, i bet some desperate gaf-bro gonna post that famous asian politcan "would" meme soon

Cmon bro.. there are at least 2 "would"s in that picture

 

[Bodom78]

So he got to do pushups now to quell the the offended masses?

 

[PeteBull]

Cmon bro.. there are at least 2 "would"s in that picture

Many more, actually but wouldnt "would" meme suggest guy has to take all the cave trolls too on top of the hot ones?
Edit: 3 on the left and 3 on the right are the doable ones, the middle is all very "questionable" at least to me, but im from eastern europe so im spoiled af

 

[Bernardougf]

Many more, actually but wouldnt "would" meme suggest guy has to take all the cave trolls too on top of the hot ones?

Bro you can choose 2 would there and suggest they come together so you show all your inclusivity to the lesbian cause.

 

[GigaBowser]

elon is a hero

I mean yeah but is this really thread worthy? It's also not his first time saying this.

maybe nort on the purple forum

 

[GigaBowser]

Someone ask for Elon's opinion on Baldur's Gate 3 and how it ruined this fantasy game.

cant even beleive this crud won goty instead a totk

 

[Bernardougf]

Many more, actually but wouldnt "would" meme suggest guy has to take all the cave trolls too on top of the hot ones?
Edit: 3 on the left and 3 on the right are the doable ones, the middle is all very "questionable" at least to me, but im from eastern europe so im spoiled af

Im a plastic surgeon who does big breasts, buts and thin waists for a leaving.. theres no more spoiled than me.. trust me

 

[Mr Reasonable]

No there isn't. Human beings have biologically two arms and two legs. In the rare cases when someone is born with less (or more) that is a defect.

I don't hear anyone from the trans movement claiming their defective, do you? Their claim is that sex exists on a spectrum. It doesn't. Mutations and defects are vanishingly rare among the population, and are in no way indicative of a spectrum.

I think your original line was that there wasn't a spectrum of how many arms and legs human beings have. Recently someone I vaguely know had to have part of their leg amputated. He's still a human being though.

If a game offered him the choice of letting his avatar represent him, a human being who no longer has two full legs (he's got about one and a half now), I don't think anyone would be rushing to dictionary dot com to demand that the game recategorise him as something other than a human being.

You've obviously not been paying attention to the debate you'd been trying to take part in because you've mistakenly said sex, when you should have said gender elsewhere in the post btw. While sex is a spectrum (intersex people exist), I think that trans people are more commonly found talking about gender, not sex. But I'm not an expert.

The way to think about it is probably to remember that trans is short for transgender.

 

[SportsFan581]

People will naturally push back against any ideology they don't want to submit to. Submission to ideology results in the partial loss of personal identity, and potentially sweeping changes to culture.

Yes, it's just a small element in a video game and it's not that serious--but on some level it is that serious. A lot of people just want things to go back to normal.

What is normal and how far back are we going?