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Could sony release the PS6 for less than the PS5 pro?
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
They've painted themselves into a corner.
reinking
Gold Member
How so? Are you saying they can't release a console cheaper than the Pro now?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Not really.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Well duh
ShadyAcshuns
Member
reinking
Gold Member
That was not the reaction when they released the PS4 after having released the more expensive PS3. I believe the lower price was celebrated. If performance is there, I would not expect anyone to be upset by paying less. I could be wrong though.That's correct. Everyone would say "Sony gone back to being cheap!".
ShadyAcshuns
Member
That was a total outlier, which basically made that awful move legendary. It was way outside of the (then) pricing structure of the time.That was not the reaction when they released the PS4 after having released the more expensive PS3. I believe the lower price was celebrated. If performance is there, I would not expect anyone to be upset by paying less. I could be wrong though.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
This may seem controversial to some, but I have always been of the impression that the disc drive, should always have been an optional accessory. I mean, if cutting costs for "everyone" is in any way an agenda, a modern console simply doesn't need a disc drive.
But if we want to be technical about it, disc drives are flat-out archaic at this point. The only purpose they serve in the modern console is to move data from the disc to the internal drive and for security checks. Games are not running off the disc. But yet, we expect manufacturers to still package in this completely useless redundant hardware into devices?
Like let's be honest here, the ONLY reason anyone wants a disc drive, is because you get better deals on physical games for the most part, and in the rare other cases, some people are collectors. But if we are still being honest, that's not reason enough to make EVERYONE that buys the console pay an additional $40 for the thing in the BOM or to take $40 from the BOM for it that could have maybe gone into 8GB more RAM or a 20% better GPU.
So to me, sony is doing what it should have done at the start of this gen, make the disc drive optional. Let those that want its benefits, pay for it.
As for the stand, I wont even really indulge this with a proper answer. But if you look up optional accessory in a dictionary, you would probably see a game console stand in there.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Disc drives are archaic, true.
But we use them because it give us ownership, offline play(patched or not), 1.0 version play if I want to, security from getting hacked and account stolen and so on so on.
All of this is not a problem on steam because you have access to your files and can do whatever you want.
ps5 is closed ecosystem and only way to get some control back is THE DISC.
If it was an usb stick, I would be fine too. Doesn't matter. But at this point, disc is rather cheap and fits a lot of data.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
True. Discs are a dog shit format these days, but they can't use cartridges like Nintendo does. I'm afraid to say it, but this is likely the last gen of physical media for both Sony and Microsoft.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Agree with all that. But then the argument should be about digital laws/ownership.
I have previously said that there should be some sort of reform or mandate with regards to digital ownership and distribution. Eg. If I purchase a game digitally, there should be a clear way for me to resell MY digital license to someone else. Even if it can only be done on say a Sony-owned Playstation marketplace, and even if Sony would be charging some sort of fee for the license transfer... but it should still be possible.
And technically, nothing stops you from backing up your games to an external drive. if "ownership" and pre-patched versions is what you are after. But I feel even that, needs to be improved.
I have said this before, and will say it again... gamers' fixation on disc drives, is making them ignorant and complacent to actually having the conversations that we should be having right now with regards to digital distribution.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
You’re welcome
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Yeah ps5 sucks in this regard. You can't make backup of games to external drives.. I mean you can copy/move them there but these games are tied to your account, so if anything happens, the backup is worth nothing.
For sure the digital ownership rights must change. Until then, I just prefer the disc.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Yes... this whole thing needs to be taken more seriously.
Like this backup thing, technically, yes you can make a backup, but in truth, as you pointed out, its worth nothing because its tied to your account.
But at the same time, what do we expect them to do? Can you imagine what happens the second they allow you just copy a game from your console to an external drive that can run sans-account on any other console?
They might as well just burn money and their platform.
And to be fair, even on PC its the exact same, the games you buy/download from steam, are tied to your steam account. Thats the only way to stop everyone from doing what we all know everyone would do.
SkylineRKR
Member
Seeing an 1TB vanilla PS5 costs 550, the 799 for a 2TB Pro edition isn't all that weird. The disc drive is a thing of the past, Sony wants you to go digital. But its being left there as an option.
The PS6 will likely cost 799 as well. Perhaps 699,- with an eventual PS6 Pro being priced as such.
lol yes. I paid this is November 2020, not knowing what would unfold.
The PS6 will likely cost 799 as well. Perhaps 699,- with an eventual PS6 Pro being priced as such.
lol yes. I paid this is November 2020, not knowing what would unfold.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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Of course they can. I also think they will. Even with their strong presence they can't afford to not build up that install base quick at the beginning of the gen, and for that you need mass appeal pricing.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Not unless the Chinese can produce cheaper chips.
Prices are only going to go up.
Prices are only going to go up.
saintjules
Gold Member
It would be weird to go $699 for a PS5 Pro and then come down to $599 for a PS6.
My guess is $699 for it. With a disc drive. They are using this data on the Pro to see what worked and what didn't for the price tag.
My guess is $699 for it. With a disc drive. They are using this data on the Pro to see what worked and what didn't for the price tag.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I bought a complete console. It plays game and everything else a modern console should do. Disc drive is an option, as it is for the Slim and Digital PS5s.
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Bojji
Member
Thanks to GOG, some DRM free steam games and... high seas on PC you can back up almost all games, and they will work just fine. Console are the worst form of digital distribution (maybe streaming is worse).
saintjules
Gold Member
You guys will get over the whole disc drive shenanigans. Can't come up with $80 lol.
The hobby is expensive. Adapt.
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FrankWza
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Bojji
Member
- will the drive be available in stores (vs now on pro)
- how many games will even get physical release?
Physical market will be destroyed few years into PS6 gen - that's my prediction.
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Ironman_Bad
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So scalpers can sell it for 1k$+ the first 6 months?? Not a chance scalpers ruined low prices for everyone going forward
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Zero chance it will be compatible with the current disk drive.
Paasei
Member
You mean 120 euro's. Being (more) expensive is one thing, being more expensive cause you sell basic stuff seperately is not.
Adapt to what? A 800 euro's + 120 euro's disc drive? No thank you. I adapt by choosing not to spend such a high amount of "hidden" costs, just so I can actually play the games I already own.
An option? I don't have that option as my games are on disc. So a PS5 Pro is therefore incomplete.
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asdasdasdbb
Member
Price gap originally between the Fat Digital and Disc was $100. The drive's MSRP is $80.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yes, an option. There's another option — don't buy it if that's an issue. That you don't have a lot of games digital is your problem, as it was mine, until I bought digital versions of the games I wanted to play or I could have gotten a disc drive or bought the system when more became available. It's fine if it is incomplete for you. For many, many other people, including those who already had Digital PS5s and decided to upgrade, it is not. That's why we have options.
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notseqi
Member
1TB is a bit dog, no?
thegame983
Member
Never ever ever forget that these cunts make you pay c. €100/ year to play online.
Paasei
Member
midnightAI
Member
Yes, because like all new generation console releases it will be subsidised, judging it to make profit approx. 12 months after release. They may learn their lesson with Pro though and at least release 2 sku's like the PS5, one with drive, one without (will be the same hardware though with the drive being removable it will just have one as a bundle)
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asdasdasdbb
Member
It pretty much makes your statement wrong?
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Yes. By late 2028 the PS5 will be $350 and the Pro will be $450 so PS6 being $599 will look like a bargain.
Paasei
Member
The statement that a disc drive where I live costs me €120 from any retailer? No it doesn't.
Even on the Sony website: https://direct.playstation.com/nl-nl/buy-accessories/disc-drive-for-ps5-digital-edition-consoles
Paulxo87
Member
699 with drive. People do not understand how much the dollar has been devalued.
Also - there will be no ps6 games at launch. Just cross gen PS5/pc titles that ps6 will merely boost to 4k60. So an initial high price of admission does not fucking matter - Sony does not have to try to start a "base" when it's all gonna be cross gen for the first half of its life.
Welcome to the future of gaming.
Also - there will be no ps6 games at launch. Just cross gen PS5/pc titles that ps6 will merely boost to 4k60. So an initial high price of admission does not fucking matter - Sony does not have to try to start a "base" when it's all gonna be cross gen for the first half of its life.
Welcome to the future of gaming.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
The PS5 Pro is targeting enthusiasts and the Playstation hardcore. The PS6 will be for a wider audience so I expect it to be cheaper since Sony will probably eat some of the cost to ensure that it's bought. You can't have a successful console if you target only the most hardcore enthusiasts.
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dcx4610
Member
I think what you'll see is a price drop of the PS5 Pro a year or so before the PS6 launches. Unless inflation comes down, the base PS6 will be $600.
It's like gasoline. They got people so used to paying $5, 6 and more for gas where now that that it's $2-3, it feels like you are getting deal. Meanwhile, gas used to average in the $1 range. Businesses will never accept lesser profit once they know they can charge more.
It's like gasoline. They got people so used to paying $5, 6 and more for gas where now that that it's $2-3, it feels like you are getting deal. Meanwhile, gas used to average in the $1 range. Businesses will never accept lesser profit once they know they can charge more.
saintjules
Gold Member
I agree but to be fair there are most likely paying those in installments billed on the monthly bill.
