digdug2
Member
Ubisoft knows the true value of their games, which is why they discount them heavily after a month like clockwork.
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Tom Henderson: Assassin's Creed Shadows Pre Orders are very strong
Johnny Concrete
Member
I’ll wait 3 years until it hits Playstation Plus and then I’ll add it to my library and never play it.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Exactly correct.
Why bother changing your ways for the better, when that collection of fucking idiots will preorder your game anyway?
The wider gaming market is absolutely retarded.
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BaneIsPain
Member
Let them preorder. I’m moving on from AC franchise.
thismeinteil
Member
Ah, this reminds me of all those recent Disney/Marvel flicks when they say that presales of tickets are strong after a controversy, and then the movie flops. Or they say the their recent SW show has performed well, yet gets no Season 2. Not to say this will definitely happen here, but preorders, like ticket presales, mean little.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
I strongly dislike Assassin's Creed, but I'll be picking it up.
Sucker for feudal Japan shit.
Sucker for feudal Japan shit.
BlitzerRadic
Member
They are not cutting content from the base game lmao. One of the most frequent complaints here about AC games they are too big.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Dr. Claus
Banned
You are right here.
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Ronin_7
Member
You'd surprised how many millions pre order games before seeing a single frame.
IP is a very powerful thing.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Have you played and finished Ghost Of Tsushima, Rise Of The Ronin, Nioh, Onimusha, Sekiro and Okami yet? Because I'd be playing those long before touching more Ubicrap.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
Played through most of Ghosts of Tsushima and Sekiro.
Ghosts is the best I've seen of these types of games.
Didn't really like Nioh.
Will have to try Rise of Ronin.
The last Assassin's creed I played was Valhalla..grew bored with it after getting to that stupid Asgard shit.
Oddvintagechap
Member
Number one preorder in Japan. 
Japanese hate this game.
Japanese hate this game.
lifa-cobex
Member
Yup.
It's the silent majority.
This is why I get fed up with people who dismiss small things like pre-order bonuses by saying,
"it's only a small thing. You don't even need them for the game".
People can't work out that it's company's testing the waters. If you keep dismissing it then it's all going to get worse down the line.
(The whole Dragons Dogma thing)
These people can't see past their own noes.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
They're supposedly working on a new Samurai Shodown action RPG. I'd really like to see that.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
I have a guess who might have pre-ordered the game.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It’s an always online single player game. I won’t even touch it.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Why would they? Yasuke appears in games made by Japan.Number one preorder in Japan.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
And it’s not just that. They offer “helpers” as MTX for gold, XP and so on. Hence they tweak games to be more grindy and annoying to “encourage” those purchases.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yes, it’s fucking dumb to preorder Ubisoft games and it encourages enshitification of the industry.
Just buy Day 1 if you so are inclined, or at least wait till review embargo. Buying Ubi games sight unseen is just crazy.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Because not everyone is smart.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
It's not Ubisoft, it's AC. Nobody pre-ordered Skull and Bones or even Watch Dogs.
AC is just one of those franchises that has this level of brand power. I don't like it, but I have less of a problem and and am confused less with people pre-ordering than I do with them excusing mandatory online installs with a disc, MTX, and a whole bunch of other worse practices.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Preordering Ubisoft games reinforces all the practices you list.
Also, AC games haven’t been consistent in quality and starting with Odyssey (less so in Origins) drive players to buy their MTX for XP gains if people don’t want to grind.
Again, why preorder this stuff? It’s not like a)Games will go out of print and b)A lot of sales are digital.
Is FOMO that fucking big for an Assassin’s Creed 25 (or whatever it is in the series) that one can’t wait a day?
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Dr. Claus
Banned
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
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Fake
Member
Still believe people are doing pre-orders just for making fun/trolling.
We don't have gameplay, just a CGI video. Game media is putting a load of fuel into this discussion.
Zathalus
Member
Not exactly uncommon for the era.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Someone PLEASE nuke all Ubisoft locations from orbit..............
And of course their off premises datacenters.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
Quite uncommon. Don’t push false information.
Kurotri
Member
This feature has been present since Odyssey to be fair.
Dr. Claus
Banned
And it was just as inaccurate there as it was here.
Kurotri
Member
I mean, yeah. Anyone who looks for historical accuracy in AC needs to rethink some things. I say this as a fan.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Same tired strawman.
The Mad Draklor
Member
There's also the likelihood of mass pre-orders followed by cancellations to game the system.
Kurotri
Member
Ok.
Zathalus
Member
For Samurai to have relations with other men in the Sengoku period? It wasn't uncommon, look up Samurai shudō and Kagema. Obviously marriage was restricted between a man and a woman, but man on man action occured often enough. It even had fairly popular books and art around the subject, Ihara Saikaku did The Life of An Amorous Man and The Great Mirror of Male Love as some notable works.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Yeah the news sound silly, but valhalla was crap and sold more than tera patrick limited edition fleshlights, so i have no doubt that a freaking samurai\ninja ac is gonna sell gangbuster aswell, even with the controversy.He doesnt know the numbers but theyre strong.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
It happened, but it was very rare. It was not as common as you seem to think and keep claiming.
Not to mention, there is zero evidence to suggest Yasuke was gay or bi.
EDIT: Seems I can’t hyperlink on my phone for some reason. I get home in 12 hours. I will upload references and data then.
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sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Bingo. Yet they will push it regardless.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I have no idea why people buy Ubisoft games at launch let alone preorder. You can wait a single month and it will have a sale for 25% off. One of the big sales during the year and it will be 40 - 50% off in less than a year.
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Doom85
Member
So the odds of playing a person who just ends up being a hero who makes a major difference in the area in the timeframe within a fictional story, which would be extremely low as virtually all people are your average civilian, soldier, politician, etc. are acceptable, but the odds of playing a gay or bi person within said story, now those low odds are unacceptable for REASONS.
And before you specify Yasuke (curious, was there evidence he was straight? Fair enough if he was and you have proof, but assuming will get you nowhere), you were applying the same argument for the past few games as well whose player characters were completely fictional.
Seriously, if we’re talking pure probability without moving goalposts on that, almost all PCs of these games should be random nobodys who either never even see combat at all because they’re farmers, merchants, etc. or get a few kills tops. You know, for that wonderful REALISM.
Seriously, selective suspension of disbelief is getting beyond tiring to hear when people try to use it to make “objective” criticism. If you can’t buy the possibility that a main character is gay/bi, cool beans, but it’s beyond time to stop acting like your level of suspension needs to be everybody’s. If someone can’t buy Batman can be a master martial artist, the best detective ever, a skilled businessman, good at science, etc. before he’s even 30, fair enough, but the Batman fans have every right to be beyond annoyed if that someone then tries to tell everyone they need to share their level of suspension of disbelief.
Good lord, imagine trying to enjoy Samurai Champloo next to someone like that.
Person 1: ”Yo, this Mugen guy rules!”
Person 2: ”But he’s fighting with a wild dancing style like he’s making a hip hop music video?! That’s not historically accurate or realistic!”
Person 1:
Dr. Claus
Banned
Typical Doom85 post. Strawman, gaslighting, and projection. The trifecta of clown world.
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Zathalus
Member
Shudo:
A Brief History of Samurai Homosexuality - Katana Swords
Most samurai were engaged in homosexual relationships. Find out more about how gay love between two men were part of the samurai way of life.
katanaswords.info
History of Same-Sex Samurai Love in Edo Japan | All About Japan
Thinking about samurai conjures up images of swords, honor, battles and blood. Chances are, homosexual relationships didn't enter your mind... until now.
Wakashū - Wikipedia
Kagema:
The Kagema: The Irrepressible Temptation of a Young Male Prostitute
Kagema- Imagine that a child actor like Macauly Culkin would have lived in the Japan of the Edo period (1603-1868). The change would have been great that he
shungagallery.com
Kagema
(陰間) were male entertainers and sex workers – usually teenagers; often quite a bit older but made up to look like adolescents – in Edo period Japan whose clients were largely adult men. The word for homosexuals in Japan is okama.Some kagema were…
en-academic.com
Kagema - Wikipedia
Ihara Saikaku:
Ihara Saikaku
Ihara Saikaku (1642-1693) was a Japanese poet and novelist who played a leading role in creating the so-called ‘floating world’ (ukiyo-zoshi) genre of popular literature in the 17th century. His work...
www.worldhistory.org
Ihara Saikaku - Wikipedia
Homosexuality in the Sengoku period:
The Gay of the Samurai
Homosexuality was quite common among Japanese samurai and Buddhist monks. Explore the history of homosexuality in Japan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan. (Some NSFW historical art)
Gay in Japan
Japanese history is well known for celebrating homosexuality. Well, what we in the West call homosexuality. During the feudal era, homosexuality wasn’t an identity as it is today. The celebr…
www.japanpowered.com
Curious to see what sources you have.
March Climber
Member
I’m not jumping into this, but to help you out, you can have a much stronger stance if you don’t resort to saying these buzzwords as a rebuttal during a debate or argument. It feels like a backstep.
I noticed you used the same buzzword tactic to me and a few others here. I’d rather you come out of this convo as a stronger opponent and debater.
Dr.Morris79
Member
What the fuck has this thread nosedived into, gay samurai ffs 
What the fuck even is this game
What the fuck is even going on in the gaming press
Fuck the lot of this utter bullshit in gaming.
What the fuck even is this game
What the fuck is even going on in the gaming press
Fuck the lot of this utter bullshit in gaming.