SportsFan581
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Interesting. I guess hiring a smaller team to do the support work was off the table.
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The Last of Us Online has been cancelled
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Orutisu Furio
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PlayStation should focus on developing and expanding their single player story driven narrative games, as that’s what brought them success during the PS4 era. Their reputation is now for making some of the best narrative campaign games on the market.
If they’re really going to focus on online multiplayer, they really need to dig into their history and bring back modern versions and recreations of SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Killzone, Syphon Filter, Resistance, etc —these are franchises that can easily support online multiplayer communities if executed right.
If they’re really going to focus on online multiplayer, they really need to dig into their history and bring back modern versions and recreations of SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Killzone, Syphon Filter, Resistance, etc —these are franchises that can easily support online multiplayer communities if executed right.
MALpractice311
Member
Good. Stop forcing studios that specialize in single player games to do GAAS bullshit. It never works out.
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killatopak
Gold Member
Sad for those who want it.
Never played factions 1 and will probably never play this as well anyway so no skin off my back.
Never played factions 1 and will probably never play this as well anyway so no skin off my back.
GnomeChimpsky
Member
Man, GAAS really hit a brick wall lately. Gotta love it.
elcapitano
Member
My two cents on what Naughty Dog should do from here.
1. Release a new IP as soon as they can. Doesn't have to be a game as long as Part 2 or your God of Wars. Even a Lost Legacy length Game would be good.
2. Release TLOU Part 3 by the end of Gen.
3. Consolidate as much work as possible from the cancelled Factions game and include it as a multiplayer mode in Part 3. This is the most important step. Losing all that work should not be an option. Releasing Factions or parts of Factions as a mode within Part 3 means they won't get stuck into becoming a GAAS studio. Will get them back some good will and will make the fans who have wanted a simple Factions game happy.
If they can do these 3 things then the situation is salvageable imo.
If they scrap the Online game and don't even bother to put Multiplayer in Part 3 then all that time and money is completely wasted. To me that can't be an option. They know people loved the original Factions. With the work they've done on the online game for years they should very easily be able to include a multiplayer mode in Part 3 that will satisfy most people who are disappointed by this cancellation.
4. They need a game announcement next year. Wether that's a new IP or TLOU3 with Multiplayer. One of them has to be announced.
1. Release a new IP as soon as they can. Doesn't have to be a game as long as Part 2 or your God of Wars. Even a Lost Legacy length Game would be good.
2. Release TLOU Part 3 by the end of Gen.
3. Consolidate as much work as possible from the cancelled Factions game and include it as a multiplayer mode in Part 3. This is the most important step. Losing all that work should not be an option. Releasing Factions or parts of Factions as a mode within Part 3 means they won't get stuck into becoming a GAAS studio. Will get them back some good will and will make the fans who have wanted a simple Factions game happy.
If they can do these 3 things then the situation is salvageable imo.
If they scrap the Online game and don't even bother to put Multiplayer in Part 3 then all that time and money is completely wasted. To me that can't be an option. They know people loved the original Factions. With the work they've done on the online game for years they should very easily be able to include a multiplayer mode in Part 3 that will satisfy most people who are disappointed by this cancellation.
4. They need a game announcement next year. Wether that's a new IP or TLOU3 with Multiplayer. One of them has to be announced.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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This just feels like Sony stopped "forcing" their studios to make all those GaaS games.
Even if i wanted Naughty Dog to release this, let's be honest..do we really want them to be stuck at a single game for like half a decade? Maybe more if it's a success? That would mean a new game maybe halfway through the PS6 gen...
What i find weird is...did they realize this now? It was a no brainer that a live game would mean all their resources would be in this right?
Even if i wanted Naughty Dog to release this, let's be honest..do we really want them to be stuck at a single game for like half a decade? Maybe more if it's a success? That would mean a new game maybe halfway through the PS6 gen...
What i find weird is...did they realize this now? It was a no brainer that a live game would mean all their resources would be in this right?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
This is a given even if they released a “one and done” MP title. Idk if you’ve played the original Factions but it’s loaded with microtransactions and paid content, plus some pay to win bullshit for good measure.
Hypereides
Gold Member
Never understood why they didn't reuse the same base concept from the original MP and updated it with new maps and QoL improvements. That's all they should've done honestly. The original vanilla MP was surprisingly great and it baffles me how it didn't get more praise from the critics. A lot of strategy was involved in it.
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Topher
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Fair enough. I hope so. New IP from Naughty Dog would be a welcome thing.
zapper
Member
nd is as megalomaniac as rockstar, it is impossible for them to think simplistically.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Absolutely crazy that so many people believe this considering what games PS5 players are playing (go look at their monthly most played), how few PS4 / PS5 players even bought their big SP games, and how drastically the market has changed over the last 10 years.
A strict focus on SP games would be a death sentence for PlayStation now.
saintjules
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The_Observer
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Finally they have come to their senses. I wonder if it’s related to the fall of emperor Jim Ryan. I hope he takes all his shitty gaas with himself.
sankt-Antonio
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Great news imo.
Eiknarf
Banned
But don't ya think NOW would be the perfect time to let their fans know WHAT they're working on?
They just delivered bad news. This is the best time to drop some good news. A "distraction", so to speak.
"We've made the incredibly difficult decision to stop development on TLOU Online Multiplayer. But two ambitious, upcoming single player games we're working on are ('The last of Us 3' and a sci-fi romp called, 'From Tethys'. They will be out in mid 2024 and 2025"
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Killer8
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Now go back to focusing on what made you great in the first place
Well that would be mascot platformers like Crash and Jak, which is never happening.
Naughty Dog today is mature™ storytelling and torture porn that can be adapted to a TV show for extra money.
Topher
Identifies as young
Absolutely. Past time for some announcements from a few of Sony's studios. Been saying that a while.
VenomousCoffee
Member
And, as I said, I wouldn't actually do that. Thanks for explaining, though, I guess?
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Naughty Dog has fallen so low in this gen, what it used to be the king of the Sony WW Studios are now relegated to Milk the TLOU franchise with remakes and remasters almost every year.
Games of Today
Member
This is really no surprise. It would have looked unbelievable in co-op pve with single player animations and graphics.
But thank god they are stopping. I wish they would focus on 10 to 15 hour single player experiences like they used to and cut dev time.
But thank god they are stopping. I wish they would focus on 10 to 15 hour single player experiences like they used to and cut dev time.
xiskza
Member
Never cared for those, sorry.
Games of Today
Member
This is Jim Ryan ramming Naughty Dog with live service propositions.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly. I said it earlier that the excuse they said above being overwhelmed needing to support post launch content is a BS answer because it's obvious they'd know about manpower and resources colliding isnt rocket science.
What happened was the game wasn't coming along great. Bungie likely butted in and evaluated the game as meh, so execs axed it.
If the game was coming along great and looked like it was going to be a giant GAAS money maker it'd still be in development.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
It's fine. Once Xbox goes third party they'll just take the 30% from all Xbox GaaS
Win/Win
DeadMansParty
Member
It's amazing to me that Insomniac has put out like 3 quality games on PS5 and all ND has is a remake and a remaster. At this rate, the next game will be on PS6.
VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
I hate that they are pretending they had this super amazing awesome thing that was sure to be a smash hit, they just simply can't commit the manpower needed. Oh, it took you four years to realize this? Is there a lack of potential employees in the industry or something? If you had something worth releasing that you thought would be successful you wouldn't throw a half decade of work down the toilet with absolutely nothing to show for it.
It's a massive failure and huge waste of resources. Any other spin is a PR campaign.
It's a massive failure and huge waste of resources. Any other spin is a PR campaign.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Think of how many military projects get cancelled at DARPA. When you're on the forefront of the medium, creating new experiences, you have to expect a certain amount of failure. It comes with being on the frontier.
Camreezie
Member
Lol at everyone that said that wouldnt be the case
Pasta la Vista
Member
You do realize that MOST of the games they released in the past 15 years have included a MP mode, right? Don't come at people with your console war bullshit, Naughty Dog should be criticized.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
They can still make your shitty tacked on MP modes. This wasn't that.
Fake
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This thread aged like milk
www.neogaf.com
You mean, those who disagree with him are haters? I guess that is where the term 'smelling their own fart' came from.
You can live in whatever bubble he live, but the real world we have people that agree and disagree with many subjects and still live their lives normally. Is just like social media made folks like him so soft.
Speaking of haters you can ask him why he deleted this tweet as well.
Naughty Dog still working on TLOU Factions
Game director have confirm in a tweet post. "yes, I’m still working on that game"
You mean, those who disagree with him are haters? I guess that is where the term 'smelling their own fart' came from.
You can live in whatever bubble he live, but the real world we have people that agree and disagree with many subjects and still live their lives normally. Is just like social media made folks like him so soft.
Speaking of haters you can ask him why he deleted this tweet as well.
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SEGAvangelist
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Right. The issue isn't Sony not having MP games on their console. The problem is that those games aren't published by Sony and bringing in huge revenue. Sony wants that money, but at least a focus on SP games could keep the console going strong so they can make money off the % cut from people using PlayStation consoles to play those 3rd party MP games. I think Sony just realizes they went too hard on GaaS development. They should really focus on 1 or 2 GaaS games and grow their library of them over time. There is a still a lot of time before the console market dries up, but I think Sony sees the writing on that wall and just overreacted.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
They had 7 years to make LOU 2 vs LOU 1. If LOU 1 had Factions mode I'm sure they could had made a similar (but beefed up) Factions 2 in LOU 2.
But the GAAS focus was too big to ignore (thats why they had those powerpoint slides telling everyone their GAAS 10 game roadmap into 2025), so they decided to amp it up into its own big game to contend with Fortnite or COD Warzone hoping for billions of revenue. Theres actually nothing wrong with making a separate mode. Warzone is. And it's F2P too. The issue is COD is a huge franchise so doing big MP modes in their own identity is fine. Trying to make LOU Factions 2 into it's own universe is risky. The safer play would just be a modernized MP mode into LOU 2.
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The artful mincer
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Chill out dude.
Toots
Gold Member
It was a well made troll until he went overboard and wrote "Nintendo" instead of "xbox"
Skelterz
Member
All this bullshit and waiting just to cancel it, I remember when the first leaks came out for TLOU2 and I saw footage of a functioning Factions mode running in the LOU2 engine why not just release that as an update? Honestly naughty dog recently have not impressed me cancellations and remakes not a good look.
semiconscious
Member
so, for the record: up till yesterday, naughty dog's staff were working on 3 games, & this includes a certain number of whom who were, up till 15 months ago, working on the last of us remake? pretty ambitious, alright...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The rumours started in October LOU Online was put on hold. So ND publicly saying its dead means the rumours were true. They just time to tell employees, redeploy them doing other work and wait for the dust to settle so they can give a public message.
So whomever it was who dig up that dirt was right the whole time. It's not like LOU Online was being made all year and Sony/ND decided just yesterday to can it. Its been dead for two months.
So whomever it was who dig up that dirt was right the whole time. It's not like LOU Online was being made all year and Sony/ND decided just yesterday to can it. Its been dead for two months.
diffusionx
Gold Member
you cannot be serious with this analogy
Generic
Member
Uncharted 2, 3 and TLOU had great multiplayer modes.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You might not want to admit it, but GAAS is where all the innovation and creativity resides in the industry now. We're firmly in the formulaic era when it comes to AAA SP. What area do you think more risk + failure is going to happen?