In raw power, it 100% was. Now whether the RT and AI can tip the scales in the favor of the PS5 Pro remains to be seen. Although, the PS4 Pro's CPU was a piece of crap. The PS5's isn't very good either but it's serviceable.
As above, the 3090 released in 2020. So looks like both were correct. Lol
Forget the difference in Nvidia's architecture for a second, whatever shortcomings AMD has on the PC for comparable Nvidia GPU shouldn't exactly apply to a closed platform because devs have more access vs the PC counter part.
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I set my expectations lower, thinking they’d butterfly it, same as the PS4 pro approach. I guess that wasn’t good enough for their 8K upscaling technique.
I think several people have already mentioned in this thread the dual compute issue. If a game is completely designed to make use of dual compute then yes, you might have circa 30 teraflops of performance.
In 2018 they were more beta testing these features using consumers but yes in the PC space with GPUs costing more than 1000$ nVidia is clearly unmatched.
out of production so you want the cheapest 2nd hand price we can find?
Part of that approach was to make PS4 compatibility easier, it might be easier from the custom RDNA2 implementation they chose to transition to a custom RDNA4 & RDNA3 maintaining backwards compatibility. This is them learning from the PS4 Pro and applying changes to the HW and the PS5 SDK to make a simpler situation easier.
GTA will be out by April 2025 at the latest. I have no idea how to get to November.
Because that's the fixed function pipeline .
In raster performance PS5 is more than a 2060 but let's leave that in the arguable category based on the particular game you're testing.
And the cost of the rest of the PC where you have to put that GPU inside?
It'll be a mix of people upgrading and people buying it as their first PS5. I don't think it's going to be a significant driver of sales on its own after the frantic scalping period.
Getting $500-$600 from a fraction of existing users is nothing to sneeze at.
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Sure I’m most likely an outlier, but I get all of the systems and love a good upgrade.
The last part I mentioned previously, it’ll work similar to the 4K boosting on the PS4 Pro, as for the dual compute I covered this earlier too, it’s still 10TFS vs 33TFS at the end of the day, it’s not like RDNA3/dual compute gimps their cards.
Yes I was talking about that price range for the GPU because that's the price category where consoles can't really hope to compete anymore with PCs in performance.
)I think we are milking the 45% rendering uplift as if it was a generic FPS increase. In RT limited titles you are likely to see far more than that and that is before their supposedly brand new up scaling solution comes into effect.So you are basing this on what? Numbers tell different story.
Take for example this scene, console version is locked to 40fps but it drops in this place:
Without 40fps lock PS5 pro will run this:
- 54FPS if console is 45% more powerful (raw performance uplift in Sony words)
- 60FPS if console is 63% more powerful (theoretical number based on TF)
It wouldn't be bad to get 60FPS in previously locked 40FPS games but for 30FPS games it won't be that great:
- 42FPS with 45% upgrade
- 47FPS with theoretical max (63% upgrade)
While Pro was 2.3x more powerful than PS4 (in theory) and was able to run 30FPS PS4 game in 60FPS when CPU load wasn't an issue:
Of course real world games were massively bottlenecked by jaguars so it was a rare sight to see such difference in performance.
But Pro was doing 1440p in most games that were 1080p on PS4 so that's 78% resolution uplift in most games and some games had higher resolution like 1800p etc.
Of course real output of PS4 Pro was bottlenecked by weak CPU and insufficient memory BW upgrade but same is true for PS5 Pro, so theoretical 63% upgrade is most likely not possible in real life. Different story when RT is in play but we will see how much that 2-4x upgrade looks in real life.
Can't imagine there is much profit for Sony in a Pro system even at $600 in this new inflationary environment. $800-$1000 would make more sense if this was a hardware profit play. PS5 sales aren't slowing down and that system is nothing but profit for them at this point. There won't be PS5 Pro specific games for Sony to charge more for so the businesses rationale for Sony is in the hardware. Will be interesting to see where they come in on price for this.
So for a few I optimized games u need a new console ?And yet everyone is complaining that FFVII Rebirth has a vaseline filter in performance mode, that Dragon's Dogma 2 won't even have a performance mode, that FSR/FSR2 looks like shit and creates pixel crawling in all games it is used (the true horror in Alan Wake 2 was this
PS5 Pro is for those that want better graphics, ray tracing effects and performance in their games.
You don't need another TV for this and this is a plus because it doesn't restrict the market furtherly due to another purchase being necessary.
The whole PC market has its existence based on people who upgrade their systems.
No one is forcing you to buy another 1500$ GPU and no one will force you to buy a PS5 Pro either but the benefits are there and there's a whole enthusiasts market that cares a lot about this stuff.
I'm sure Sony would work on CPU performance as well.
Yeah, there's supposedly an AI engine on the Pro. Again,we aren't getting 54 CU because of the number of shader engines, there's 2 SEs for the Pro.I think I somewhat figured out where that 300 Tops 8-bit number comes from. I couldn't find a solid formula for 8-bit.
Here Nvidia says 6× throughput compared to Fp16.
NVIDIA Tensor Cores
The NVIDIA Hopper™ architecture advances fourth-generation Tensor Cores with the Transformer Engine using a new 8-bit floating point precision (FP8) to deliver 6X higher performance over FP16 for trillion-parameter model training.
Here, 5× but seems like 4× (.330 × 4 = 1.32)
GeForce RTX 40 Series Graphics Cards: Up To 4X Faster, Powered By 3rd Gen RTX Architecture & NVIDIA DLSS 3
Ada’s new 4th Generation Tensor Cores are unbelievably fast, with an all new 8-Bit Floating Point (FP8) Tensor Engine, increasing throughput by up to 5X, to 1.32 Tensor-petaFLOPS on the GeForce RTX 4090.
For PS5 Pro with 54CUs, the formula goes like this.
256 FLOPS × 2 AI Accelerator × 54 CU × 2.425GHz＝ 67 Fp16 TFLOPS
PS5 with a throughput of probably 4.5× get us around 300 Tops.
67 × 4.48 throughput = 300 Tops.
