DemonGamerTTT
Member
Im not saying that this guy should pay shit to Nintendo.
What I'm saying is that this is the ONLY real use case for crypto.
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Nintendo ‘hacker’ out from prison early due to good behavior, has to pay 10 million
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What I'm saying is that this is the ONLY real use case for crypto.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
You are barbaric if you would actually essentially financially imprison someone for a lifetime for something as meaningless and incorporeal as "perceived" lost profits, the jail time is enough as it is
The Law and its enforcement have to be general and so "only" lost profits could have led to the closure of a business and the termination of hundreds or even thousands of people's livelihoods.
Let's not pretend that theft from corporations is a victimless crime.
bender
What time is it?
Damages were probably deemed to outweigh more than just the money he earned from distribution. Think of it like the AIDs scare ads you saw as a teenager that sleeping with one person could equate to sleeping with dozens or hundreds.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I don't even see "Nintendo" in all of this, did they suddenly change the rules of the game to make stealing illegal? Because last I knew here where I am, where I was and there in America, and basically everywhere, stealing is a crime.
I'd feel bad for the guy but it's not like they're punishing a child or a mentally disabled person that can't recognize whether they did something wrong or not.
People here have to understand that when you let people go unpunished, other people will take example and will know how far to push since the punishment doesn't seem that bad at all, that's a state of chaos, we live through that shit on a daily basis in latinamerica, you don't enforce law hard enough and people will fuck you as much as they can.
Fuz
Banned
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Because his lawyer didn’t graduate from Harvard.
calistan
Member
Mod chips aren’t piracy either, but like emulators that’s what the vast majority of them are used for.
DemonGamerTTT
Member
not related... you can shove a screwdriver up on your ass whatever you want, that doesn't make it a sex toy.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Can you take me higher?
Onironauta
Member
He is forced to pay 30 times the amount the earned from this crime.
Why not sentencing him to death since we're at it?
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Indeed. The US legal system is fucked.
Musashipan
Member
Well deserved.
All these criminals here defending another criminal. Hilarious
All these criminals here defending another criminal. Hilarious
GMCamaro
Member
The fine is, in my opinion, ridiculous. They are clearly ‘making an example’ with the $10 million dollar fine applied to an individual that, by all evidence, has no way to pay that amount in his lifetime (he’s 50+).
Nintendo KNOWS they aren’t getting that 10 mil. Everyone knows this; it’s pure intimidation.
Let the punishment fit the crime. I am not a criminal justice expert, so I am not in the position of saying what punishment is appropriate. However, any case of the courts ‘making an example’ out of someone is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
Nintendo KNOWS they aren’t getting that 10 mil. Everyone knows this; it’s pure intimidation.
Let the punishment fit the crime. I am not a criminal justice expert, so I am not in the position of saying what punishment is appropriate. However, any case of the courts ‘making an example’ out of someone is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
username12
Member
Sent home to Canada? I thought you said he was getting out of prison.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
This is indeed just a joker behavior. It is not about the money it is just about sending a message. It is fucked up.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Why blame Nintendo? It’s not like they forced him to commit the crimes?
If you’re gonna boycott Nintendo over this, you would probably be shocked at how every corporation would do the same exact thing.
You guys are focused on how much he financially gained, not how much Nintendo was able to show the courts they lost.
But again, don’t be a criminal and you don’t have to worry about this.
Skifi28
Member
I don't get this kind of thinking. Yes, we should be thinking of how to treat criminals fairly in a civilised society. The whole point is reform, not punishing them as harshly as possible as deterrent for future criminals. Otherwise just dig a deep pit and throw everybody that commits any crime inside. Then set it all on fire. There, done.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Oh man if that’s all it takes for you to boycott a company then you should stop buying clothes, electronics and chocolates all together.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Fanboys are always looking for an excuse, any excuse to hate a company. If someone stole three quarters of a million dollars from their family or business, you can bet your ass they'd be on the other side of the fence asking for the max sentence while seeking the max compensation.
Dr.Morris79
Member
You want to live in a world where corporations can own you for the rest of your life if you fuck up?
Whatever floats your boat I guess, seems excessive, slightly.
freefornow
Member
Does Canada have a good Social Security system for the unemployed? Is it similar to Australia where you receive a fortnightly benefit of AU$600 (with mutual obligations). Assuming Nintendo couldn't touch that as it's technically not earned income? Live off social security (barely) and Nintendo won't see a cent?
Right? He's not a misguided individual publishing hacks. He was selling hacks as part of an organized enterprise. Actual criminal stuff.
Captain Toad
Banned
You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Nintendo
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Nintendo
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Sure. I don’t care. Know why? Because I’m not a fucking criminal! This idiot didn’t just “fuck up”
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Not sure about Canada's social security or unemployment systems, but I know that here in the US these things can't be garnished. HOWEVER - the company and court can petition to have a garnishment like this taken directly from someone's bank account, which has the same net effect.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Punishment doesn’t fit the crime. This is beyond ridiculous.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
arrrgh matey! are we in a salty sea den of rum drinkers and peg legs!
calistan
Member
That's the problem - they absolutely can't prove he cost them any amount of money at all. What Nintendo offered to the court originally was an arbitrary estimate of $65-150m, and that was just taken as fact at the lower end of the range.
Basically, they have no idea how many of these devices were used for piracy, they don't know how many games the average user pirated, and they are only guessing at how many pirate downloads would otherwise have been legitimate sales. The guy was sentenced based on a corporate lawyer's guesswork.
He ruined himself financially
Topher
Identifies as young
You do not speak for me or anyone else, dude. You speak for you and only you.
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Dr.Morris79
Member
This isnt a society you want.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Saber
Gold Member
Agree. Aren't people not seeing that the company made basically a slave out him?
The people who defend this better pray this never happen to a familiar or someone close they care.
You still have to pay up.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Only one reasonable way to pay this back. That’s by breaking the law.
Let the rehabilitation cycle commence.
Let the rehabilitation cycle commence.
Icymanipulator
Member
The face of it Nintendo makes kids games that are colorful and happy
Behind the scenes they ruin peoples lives. $10 million is ludicrous.
Behind the scenes they ruin peoples lives. $10 million is ludicrous.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Interesting takes ITT as these sorts of Switch hacks, if I understand correctly, enable copying of games e.g. playing them for free instead of buying them. So the punishment isn't really about the hacker and his livelihood, it's more about the damages caused. Do you sing the same sympathy song for say 25 developers or an indie/small studio that closed or lost jobs due to uncollected revenues being the fallout of such hacks? The material cost could very well be something like 25,000 gamers downloading 10 games each and playing them for free e.g. 250,000 game sales gone in the blink of an eye. It effects industry, which affects real people well beyond the poor victim hacker e.g. developers, marketers, designers etc.
This is why illegal behaviour is made an example of in such cases.
This is why illegal behaviour is made an example of in such cases.
Pasta la Vista
Member
Jawohl mein fuhrer!Wait, so now there are TWO real life Bowsers who have a connection to Nintendo in one way or another?! What is happening?!
Luigi, please help make sense of all this!
BlitzerRadic
Member
Judgements that are to make an example of someone are made all the time. On the criminal side that would be the death penalty. On the civil side its those huge jury awards from punitive damages.