Dirk Benedict
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How can Steam offer such freedom, ex; free cloud saves and online play but console still can't?
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Getting the consoles to pay for these services also helps to breed loyalty and lock them into the ecosystem. That’s why so many of them are so emotionally attached to their plastic console boxes.
If you paid for years of PS Plus, you’ll be more reluctant to add or jump to another platform, because you’ll feel its a waste to not fully focus of the PS Plus services and you paid, and much more forgiving to or defend whatever they do.
The same reason why people seldom subscribe to multiple streaming services concurrently.
If you paid for years of PS Plus, you’ll be more reluctant to add or jump to another platform, because you’ll feel its a waste to not fully focus of the PS Plus services and you paid, and much more forgiving to or defend whatever they do.
The same reason why people seldom subscribe to multiple streaming services concurrently.
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Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Don't worry. AI-Gaben is already completed and waiting.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Yeah they put Janis Joplin in commercials because her heirs want to cash out. Steam will definitely get worse.
Negotiator
Member
Apple is fine without Jobs (judging by their market cap at least).
What makes you think Valve won't survive without Gaben?
VitoNotVito
Member
Steam doesn't offer online, online capability (netcode) and infrastructure is provided by the game publisher/developer.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Not a scam if the PS5 fans are happy to pay for it.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Valve is also a tiny company compared to Sony and especially MS. Yet they have way better customer service than either (especially Sony).
They also published the current #1 and #2 most played games on the platform. MS had to spend 70 billion to accomplish something like this and Sony has probably never done it in the modern era.
Valve is just a well run company with no shareholders begging them to nickel and dime the customers. They could so easily say were gonna start charging to play online and for cloud saves and millions would pay. But they know it would open them up to another company coming along and eating their lunch. One of the benefits of PC being an open platform.
I do wish they would make more games but constantly improving the store is also good and Steam Deck is brilliant.
DaciaJC
Gold Member
Steam offers multiplayer matchmaking, P2P networking, and the ability to host dedicated servers through Steamworks: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/multiplayer
VitoNotVito
Member
That's for their own games where Steam is a publisher/developer here, Counter Strike is one of the examples. I am guessing they also offer this service to other 3rd party companies to service their multiplayer capability. There are many other players on the market though.
Fess
Member
Got the idea yesterday that a decade old family Minecraft world on Xbox should be moved over to PC, specifically to the Java version which is a bit different.
Had to get Minecraft Realms, a subscription service, to get platform shared worlds, cloud saves essentially.
To access the world through the Realms subscription on Xbox I had to subscribe to either Gamepass Core or Gamepass Ultimate.
Essentially two subs just to be able to move a save file…
Luckily Realms had a free trial and I had some MS reward points so I could use those to get Gamepass Core for online functionality. But things like this shouldn’t be behind paywalls.
Had to get Minecraft Realms, a subscription service, to get platform shared worlds, cloud saves essentially.
To access the world through the Realms subscription on Xbox I had to subscribe to either Gamepass Core or Gamepass Ultimate.
Essentially two subs just to be able to move a save file…
Luckily Realms had a free trial and I had some MS reward points so I could use those to get Gamepass Core for online functionality. But things like this shouldn’t be behind paywalls.
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Guilty_AI
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You're automatically elegible to use these features as long as you put your game on steam
MAX PAYMENT
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Considering how genuinely mediocre console exclusives get reviewed so highly, so routinely... I'd say it's safe to assume games journalism as a whole is deathly afraid of the 1st party corpos.Why exactly are console gamers still OK with subscription hostage tactics in 2024? Why aren't more gaming journalists challenging this in the public eye -- are they that afraid of their industry contacts and reputation being marred? Moreover, how can Valve do all of this for free on a platform where piracy is completely rampant and still be able to offer discounts, mod support via workshop and so much more?
asdasdasdbb
Member
Whoever suggested "The Whales who buy games and never play them" might be on to something, lol.
Klosshufvud
Member
What's astounding is how little resistance journalists/influencers have shown to paid online. It's an arbitrary paywall that exists for no other reason but to exploit the closed down nature of the platform and the fairly unaware nature of console players. PC, iOS, Android all let you access online functions without further costs. How the fuck is online functionality in 2024 still being treated like a luxury by platform holders? Especially when said online games are even more monetized and in some ways more basic than the games of 20 years ago.
The lack of pushback to this trash is what's actually upsetting, as any such move generates huge controversy on PC. It's an audience that keeps accepting paying more and more for less. Just get a PC and free yourselves of corporate chains.
The lack of pushback to this trash is what's actually upsetting, as any such move generates huge controversy on PC. It's an audience that keeps accepting paying more and more for less. Just get a PC and free yourselves of corporate chains.
Guilty_AI
Member
Even more astounding are the people screaming at Valve for the 20-30% cut (and valve specifically for some reason, despite basically everyone else having this same cut) when almost half of the money you earn in a sale actually goes into paying government taxes.
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GHG
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There's only a small group of people attacking the fees side of things and they are only getting smaller.
This is where that bullshit came from:
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Microsoft shakes up PC gaming by reducing Windows store cut to just 12 percent
Microsoft is trying to entice developers to list more games in its store.
www.theverge.com
Along with the epic games store stans. So take that as you will.
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Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Xbox has free cloud saves. What are you talking about?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
There's only a small group of people attacking the fees side of things and they are only getting smaller.
This is where that bullshit came from:
Microsoft shakes up PC gaming by reducing Windows store cut to just 12 percent
Microsoft is trying to entice developers to list more games in its store.
Along with the epic games store stans. So take that as you will.
I would love to see 3rd party sales numbers on Xbox app. Easily the worst launcher of the modern era.
Freelance Yakuza
Member
I always laughed at the fact that I could play Halo's Infinite and MCC online multiplayer without paying a dime on my PC but Xbox owners had to pay for live gold
Fess
Member
I transferred a Minecraft world from Xbox to PC a couple days ago. To do that I had to start a Minecraft Realms subscription. Free first time sub. So on PC the whole thing was free. On Xbox the Realms sub was free too, same sub, but I had to subscribe to Gamepass Core to get online access to actually use Realms.
They need to get rid of that nonsense. It makes zero sense.
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Topher
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That flexibility comes from not being beholden to stockholders, not the number of employees.
Anthony Soprano
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Halo2redvsblue
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Most Xbox Games do use Dedicated servers, it's been that way since the Xbox One launched
Banjo64
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
No idea why people do that when its the standards on consoles
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