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Forza Motorsport releases October 10, 2023 | Xbox Showcase 2023
U n i o n 0015
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We'll see how today's deep dive goes. I've felt like the Forza games have become such a grind after FM4 (which I absolutely loved). FM7 got better in the end, but the "career" mode, the forced homologation, the stupid changes to the assists model (cards, really??), the dealer cars--all of that burned me as a long-time player of the series. No longer does a Forza title merely releasing warrant my immediate pre-order of whatever the Ultimate edition is.
Graphics look great, but having some raytraced reflections on cars during races doesn't make the game play any better.
In contrast, I'm more excited that Xenia is emulating FM4 nearly 100%. I can play that title at 4k60, with mods, and it doesn't feel like I'm losing anything against the latest Forza.
Like I said, big hurdle to overcome for my dollars.
Graphics look great, but having some raytraced reflections on cars during races doesn't make the game play any better.
In contrast, I'm more excited that Xenia is emulating FM4 nearly 100%. I can play that title at 4k60, with mods, and it doesn't feel like I'm losing anything against the latest Forza.
Like I said, big hurdle to overcome for my dollars.
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transformer
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They have said quite a bit about the physics. The key points that come to mind:
-Massive updates to tyre models and suspension physics. 48x increase in tyre fidelity compared to Forza 7.
-Every course has 24 hour cycles, weather, and rubbering in that interact with the physics engine (e.g. more rubber = more grip, lower temp = less grip). Bottom line, tracks will evolve based on racing and environmental changes much more than before.
-Four tyre compounds (hard, medium, soft, and wet) with their own physics and wear rates and updated modeling of fuel. Pit strategies will actually come into play (never has outside of damage repair before).
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
Forza Monthly is live, expect some gameplay :
U n i o n 0015
Member
Sounds like career mode will be Rivals/live service-like?
LostDonkey
Member
Took a few ideas from Driveclub huh
U n i o n 0015
Member
Challenge the Grid seems interesting.
Assists seem to be more inline with classic Forza.
XP is tied to what would have been cards in FM7 and perfect corners in FM4.
Car sounds like a vacuum--not the best thing to show "remastered audio." Still liking what I'm seeing so far.
Assists seem to be more inline with classic Forza.
XP is tied to what would have been cards in FM7 and perfect corners in FM4.
Car sounds like a vacuum--not the best thing to show "remastered audio." Still liking what I'm seeing so far.
U n i o n 0015
Member
He kinda dodged the monetization content question.
What I want to know is what kind gacha or Seasons that content is going to be locked behind.
What I want to know is what kind gacha or Seasons that content is going to be locked behind.
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
I hope they upload it in 4K after the live.
Maybe it was disabled in this build, it's still in development, when they showed Forza Horizon 5 before release there was even moments where there was RT in game, a thing that came like a year after and only on PC.
Don't judge a game that is still being worked on, we don't know how old the build was.
clarky
Gold Member
How can you tell that from this shitty stream? Will we get a 4k version afterwards? because this is wank
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Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
The easiest way to spot it is to look for mirror reflections on the side of the car, there was no self-reflection of the car's mirrors on its side.
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clarky
Gold Member
I cant see shit. I'll wait for the 4k version.
LostDonkey
Member
It said it was a development build at the bottom, they probably disabled the RT so they could mess with the TOD on the fly
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
4K video is up :
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
LostDonkey
Member
Tyre model sounds sweet. Can't wait. Glad they fixed the cheating AI as well.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Yup no more stupid rubberbanding.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Senua
Gold Member
Doubtful.
The games lighting is nice but definitely not the generational leap I'd hoped for, I bet the RTGI on PC will give a nice leap indeed
LostDonkey
Member
Read the bottom of the photo FFSDoubtful.
The games lighting is nice but definitely not the generational leap I'd hoped for, I bet the RTGI on PC will give a nice leap indeed
I do kinda wonder how the hardcore racer sim 'freaks' would be able to compare. I am curious for the curiosity's sake.
Not a massive racing guy especially not racing sim.
Senua
Gold Member
I read it mate, lets see if they transform it in a couple of months then shall we?
Jibran#one
Member
This is good I like it
Now to really nail the online portion of this,
I need proper rank mode with driver ratings. No 10 people colliding and crashing at the first turn like fm7
Now to really nail the online portion of this,
I need proper rank mode with driver ratings. No 10 people colliding and crashing at the first turn like fm7
LostDonkey
Member
We don't know how old the build is for starters, Mate.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
This is def not the final build, the rt was missing. And the lighting looks alot like gt7, big improvement for Forza but not that next gen lighting we saw in the trailer and screenshots. Till now they only showed the game running on pc, i think the rtgi makes the big difference. But it did't look bad for series X footage outside the missing rt reflections.Doubtful.
The games lighting is nice but definitely not the generational leap I'd hoped for, I bet the RTGI on PC will give a nice leap indeed
Senua
Gold Member
You'd think a fairly recent one, looked all nice and stable me 'ol mucker.
Compared to FM7 the lighting is a big jump indeed, I didn't know about the PC part but makes sense. I'm not saying it looks bad btw just not a generational leap I expected, but yes early days.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
nikolino840
Member
So confirmed next gen only
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Next gen internet connection too.
The absence of RT reflection has also seemed strange to me. Or maybe it is so sutil that it is difficult to appreciate? It seems to me that in the presentation of the races if it is activated. I hope they can respond to this aspect.
As for lighting, we must bear in mind that now all circuits have dynamic lighting and day-night cycles. There are moments that can be more favorable visually.
On the other hand, the recreation, detail and animation of the circuits if it shows a generational leap for me.
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There's clearly a difference between reveal trailer and this that were running on Series X and showcase trailer that was clearly running on PC with RTGI. The difference is night and day. Also doing 4K60 is probably eating up a lot of resources and that's why the console version doesn't look jaw dropping. RTGI is something else though, it can make a game look like it's from a different generation.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The luxury of MS. Getting to show off the balls to the wall PC versions in the trailers, while marketing their consoles.
Senua
Gold Member
Every racing game that isn't a hardcore sim should ape Driveclubs cockpit mode, the rate of steering wheel turning animation for gamepad inputs was perfect, really looked natural which is so hard to do with a pad (FH has always been way better than FM at this). And of course the headbob and speed effects were top notch. FMs cockpit view has basically been the same since FM4, it's dead and outdated and they had 5 years to fix it.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Never expected a miracle considering weak AMD RT cores and overal RTGI heaviness. It looks just as expected.Doubtful.
The games lighting is nice but definitely not the generational leap I'd hoped for, I bet the RTGI on PC will give a nice leap indeed
Also, I'm quite alright with online career (never bothered me in Sport or GT7), but lack of VR even for PC is a huge omission. After GT7 VR it's almost impossible to go back to 2D racing.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Yup all the footage we saw before this was the game running on pc with all the effect enabled.
I already had a post in the next gen graphics thread that they where gonna improve the textures and other stuff in Spiderman 2 because what they showed was from a old build. But we saw this game running on pc with much muhc better graphics so its a lil bit different.
Nope it was straight out missing, it was enabled in the pre race and garage shots and it was not difficult to notice.
Yup the pc footage looked much much better.
The footage from series X is a lil let down tbh, it looks good but after all the high quality footage with all the effect enabled this doesn't look that impressive. Its still not final so they can fix some things but we need to wait and see how much they can improve. The iq and missing details is really hurting the overal presentation tho.
This scene really had the worst iq and it looked like they are using some sort of VRS which makes everything pixelated on the sides.
FukuDaruma
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The moment where GT7 has a much better IQ on the PS5. All this hooting and chest pounding over PR bullet points.Yup all the footage we saw before this was the game running on pc with all the effect enabled.
I already had a post in the next gen graphics thread that they where gonna improve the textures and other stuff in Spiderman 2 because what they showed was from a old build. But we saw this game running on pc with much muhc better graphics so its a lil bit different.
Nope it was straight out missing, it was enabled in the pre race and garage shots and it was not difficult to notice.
Yup the pc footage looked much much better.
The footage from series X is a lil let down tbh, it looks good but after all the high quality footage with all the effect enabled this doesn't look that impressive. Its still not final so they can fix some things but we need to wait and see how much they can improve. The iq and missing details is really hurting the overal presentation tho.
This scene really had the worst iq and it looked like they are using some sort of VRS which makes everything pixelated on the sides.
"On track" RT reflections is a waste of resources and just chasing a checkbox.
Senua
Gold Member
This part stood out to me, the cockpit looks so...Forza 7. I'm sure RTGI will transform this underwhelming lighting. The exterior shots look WAY better even on the same footage.
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nikolino840
Member
Omg how can i live now?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Is it me or PBR on Xbox kinda sucks? Especially in cockpit view.Yup all the footage we saw before this was the game running on pc with all the effect enabled.
I already had a post in the next gen graphics thread that they where gonna improve the textures and other stuff in Spiderman 2 because what they showed was from a old build. But we saw this game running on pc with much muhc better graphics so its a lil bit different.
Nope it was straight out missing, it was enabled in the pre race and garage shots and it was not difficult to notice.
Yup the pc footage looked much much better.
The footage from series X is a lil let down tbh, it looks good but after all the high quality footage with all the effect enabled this doesn't look that impressive. Its still not final so they can fix some things but we need to wait and see how much they can improve. The iq and missing details is really hurting the overal presentation tho.
This scene really had the worst iq and it looked like they are using some sort of VRS which makes everything pixelated on the sides.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hopefully consistently.Omg how can i live now?
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