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[Arsic]

September in particular was tough for many/most industries.

For them they make a lot of $ on Fortnite.

Doesn’t help you wasted a lot of dough on lawsuits and buying up exclusive game launches.

If you can’t provide an added value to the consumer to use your products then it’s wasted $. The user doesn’t gain Alan wake 2 being an epic store exclusive but the dev sure makes some secured cash through that deal.

When epic launched the free games was great, and the good sales too. Now ? It just is a necessary evil sometimes like with playing Alan wake 2. If they could find a way to make it a better store then steam people would use it.

Honestly though just make Fortnite 2 Tim.

 

[shamoomoo]

More like unprofitable engine,with 5x the loses. It brings great visuals and heart arche because you are guaranteed to not make a profit.

 

[LazyParrot]

Fortnite essentially turned them from an Engine company into a Fortnite company over the course of a single year back in 2018.

They can't sustain themselves at their current size without that game, so they're desperately trying to come up with other revenue streams to minimize the fallout once that goldmine dries up. I doubt engine licensing alone is going to cut it.

 

[sainraja]

We all lost that one. At least the EU is trying to take a crowbar to that walled garden.

No, no. We did not. There is always android. No one "needs" an iPhone.

 

[bitbydeath]

They could easily make more money through Fortnite if they wanted just by selling each season’s unlockables for $10/$20 a pop. The Marvel season would probably earn them half a billion or more alone.

They should also reduce the cost of characters that aren’t selling to around $5 each, make them collectibles instead of dust catchers.

Edit: Even just opening up the entire vault for a day would earn them billions of dollars.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Well...

 

[kaizenkko]

But Fortnite is not supposed to be a money machine?

 

[rofif]

Of course. Stupid basic AutoCAD is like 1k per seat. And that’s 2d version

 

[Skifi28]

But Fortnite is not supposed to be a money machine?

It is, for now. It's what's happening after that probably keeps Timmy up at night.

 

[StereoVsn]

Financial problems you say ?

Realistically more like the following considering who owns almost half of Epic.

Edit: Also, how much money did Tim Epic waste with EGS over the years? And it’s still largely unprofitable.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Financial problems you say ?

 

[Tams]

Yes I do.

Unreal Engine 5 has proven itself to be a better engine for pretty tech demos than actual games. Everything that has come out with it in use has come out a stuttery unoptimized jankfest on both PC and console.

They basically shelved all their other properties for fucking Fortnite and hardly even make what could be considered games. And unlike Valve they don't have the added benefit of making hardware to make up for their gaming software deficiency.

are we heading into a second crash?

Valve can't even fucking release a third game in a franchise.

And Steam Deck almost certainly makes a loss on the lowest end model, and little profit on the other two. Not to mention that there are a significant number of games that don't play well on it

 

[JCK75]

I want them to crash just enough to stop EGS exclusives but not enough for UE to cease evolving

 

[64bitmodels]

Valve can't even fucking release a third game in a franchise.

got a hell of a lot more stable engine though

And Steam Deck almost certainly makes a loss on the lowest end model, and little profit on the other two. Not to mention that there are a significant number of games that don't play well on it

still more of an effort than Epic's made.

 

[Zok310]

They gonna get bought next.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Financial problems my ass.

They are sniffing cocoine from ass and tits counting their fortnite vbucks money.

 

[Hudo]

How about Epic uses their piece of shit engine they overhype so much to make games themselves? How about a new Unreal? How about a new Unreal Tournament? How about how getting Microsoft on board to make a new Gears of War? How about a new IP? Show us an Unreal 5 game with good gameplay.

Instead, you wasted a lot of money on a shitty store that no one likes (and makes money off of), got in bed with some Chinese tech companies and don't do anything substantial with Fortnite or build off of it. You're not Valve, you never will be. Stop fucking trying. You have the technology to make games, so why not use it?

 

[dem]

September in particular was tough for many/most industries.

For them they make a lot of $ on Fortnite.

Doesn’t help you wasted a lot of dough on lawsuits and buying up exclusive game launches.

If you can’t provide an added value to the consumer to use your products then it’s wasted $. The user doesn’t gain Alan wake 2 being an epic store exclusive but the dev sure makes some secured cash through that deal.

When epic launched the free games was great, and the good sales too. Now ? It just is a necessary evil sometimes like with playing Alan wake 2. If they could find a way to make it a better store then steam people would use it.

Honestly though just make Fortnite 2 Tim.

If there is one game that doesn't need a sequel.. its Fortnite. With the updated engine its one of the best looking games out there... and they manage to keep the game fresh every season.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Financial problems my ass.

They are sniffing cocoine from ass and tits counting their fortnite vbucks money.

Can’t be that, just too much money involved

Tim would look like this 24h

 

[RoboFu]

So basically they spent wayyy too much money fighting apple and trying to make EGS a thing?


That’s very bad financial responsibility from the biggest game middleware developer.
I mean if you think about is epic too big to fail in the industry? If they croaked it would affect a lot of developers.

 

[Loomy]

Oh, ffs. People need to stop taking CEO PR statements at face value.

Epic is not “running out of money”. They are rationalising lay-offs and price-hikes in the midst of global interest rates rises. They are reducing expenses and increasing revenue - this is literally how businesses make money. Sure, they may be shifting from “expansion” to “exploitation” but it’s part of an expected cycle, not the end of the world.

They are doing that because they realized that if they do not, they will run out of money. Epic is not a profitable company. I don't think they're expecting to start making a profit for a few more years - at least that's what I remember then publicly saying.

 

[Black_Stride]

got a hell of a lot more stable engine though

What makes you say Source 2 im assuming you are talking about Source 2 and not Source OG.......is more stable than Unreal Engine 4 or 5?
And please dont say because Dota 2 or Counter-Strike 2 run better than Immortals of Aveum while looking like they do.
Cuz if Immortals of Aveum looked like Dota 2 or Counter-Strike 2..............



P.S
Do you actually know what you are talking about or just randomly typing shit?

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[IFireflyl]

This problem is not exclusive to gaming.
The whole world-economy is a hot mess.

Shut up. We're shit-talking Epic Games here.

 

[Gamezone]

So what should they do now? EGS is probably nowhere near profitable. The store still sucks, and they have been spending billions on free games and timed exclusives for years, but neither custemors or publishers don't seem to give a shit about their store.

 

[simpatico]

They can start off by letting CliffyB remaster Unreal. Sure it would raise some funds. Remastered boom shoots are all the rage right now. Tim deserves this for delisting the original tbqh.

 

[spons]

How the FUCK do you get into financial problems if you have Fortnite?

 

[Guilty_AI]

rip Men_in_Boxes

 

[dotnotbot]

How the FUCK do you get into financial problems if you have Fortnite?

Shitty management and wanting to become second Valve while being dumber than Gabe's left nut.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Timmy Tencent is finding out spending billions to give away free games to push your shitty game store no one wants costs....billions

Daddy Tencent is currently having financial difficulties along with the rest of China. Daddy Tencent is busy tightening the belt. That belt tightening is going to hit Timmy Tencent too

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

Might this have anything to do with the hundreds of millions they lose every year trying to take on Steam with the Epic Store.
Sure the free games are great and all, it trying to take on Steam and blowing so much cash while doing it sounds like a bad idea to me.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

Timmy Tencent is finding out spending billions to give away free games to push your shitty game store no one wants costs....billions

Daddy Tencent is currently having financial difficulties along with the rest of China. Daddy Tencent is busy tightening the belt. That belt tightening is going to hit Timmy Tencent too

Totally forgot about China's money problems aswell, seems like ripple effects really are far reaching

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

I dunno, maybe if they made some fucking games, that would help? I’ve not seen much from Fortnite in a while so have no idea if that’s still a massive cash cow, sounds like it probably isn’t now at this point.

Thing is, if your online store (that nobody asked for) takes off, you could be like Valve and make money off of everyone else's games in a consistent and steady income stream. Platforms tend to make way more money than individual games, hence the push for Footnote to become more like Roblox or the Meta verse thingy.
It's just hard to actually build a successful platform

 

[Fabieter]

i hope the company closes down and all the IP gets sold to Valve.

So valve can ignore them instead of epic?

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

Oh, ffs. People need to stop taking CEO PR statements at face value.

Epic is not “running out of money”. They are rationalising lay-offs and price-hikes in the midst of global interest rates rises. They are reducing expenses and increasing revenue - this is literally how businesses make money. Sure, they may be shifting from “expansion” to “exploitation” but it’s part of an expected cycle, not the end of the world.

You aren't wrong there, but what makes it look like the end of the world is the fact that everyone seems to be doing this shit out of the blue all at once, it's never happened like this before.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

are we heading into a second crash?

I don't think its that bad yet to be honest.

If you notice, these past few years these big tech guys have been getting trigger happy with acquisitions, almost like they were in an arms race.

And the growth of the industry has been going up for over a decade, so they thought they were invincible and have been expanding whether or not it makes sense ).

The money is there and people are buying games but way too many of these companies are publicly traded now, meaning their higher ups care more about the stock price than they do actual common sense (that and they start looking for ways to pay themselves at the expense of the company and products ), once you hit the stock exchange, you start playing by these wierd rules where you can spend a tonne , make nothing back, and be considered a winner because you got the stock price up, it's wierd but that's how it is.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

September in particular was tough for many/most industries.

For them they make a lot of $ on Fortnite.

Doesn’t help you wasted a lot of dough on lawsuits and buying up exclusive game launches.

If you can’t provide an added value to the consumer to use your products then it’s wasted $. The user doesn’t gain Alan wake 2 being an epic store exclusive but the dev sure makes some secured cash through that deal.

When epic launched the free games was great, and the good sales too. Now ? It just is a necessary evil sometimes like with playing Alan wake 2. If they could find a way to make it a better store then steam people would use it.

Honestly though just make Fortnite 2 Tim.

What's funny is that I think no developer believes in the epic store, not on a value level or an emotional one, there isn't even a die hard community around the store itself, but none of them would turn down the upfront cash for exclusivity.

I mean look at what Microsoft has been spending to get stuff onto game pass, it's insane.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

Can’t be that, just too much money involved

Tim would look like this 24h

Given how some of these companies work, win or lose, CEOs will get those bonuses, just as Bobby Kotick (must be nice paying yourself $100+ million in a year, at a company you don't own)

 

[theclaw135]

If you believe Epic is losing money when Unreal powers half the industry, fool on you.

 

[Drizzlehell]

Doesn't sound like such a bad idea. Let the people who actually have boatloads of cash to pay higher fees for your engine, and don't try to rip off indie devs like Unity tried to.