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[Men_in_Boxes]

I have yet to see a kill feed where one player obviously doesn't belong.

Love that.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

For the "free to play" you'll get charged endlessly for everything after you download it.

False. Most F2P games only charge for cosmetics. All the gameplay oriented additions are typically free.

 

[Xtib81]

It's a team based game. The entire game was built around team based mechanics. High TTK facilities that.

There should be some middle ground. I was watching some gameplay on Luke Stephens' channel, he dropped a full mag and didn't even take out the enemy, WTF is that !? Lmao (granted his aiming is not very good but still)

 

[Killjoy-NL]

False. Most F2P games only charge for cosmetics. All the gameplay oriented additions are typically free.

Or they have €20 skins, or time-gated content.

There is something to be said for €40 approach, just like Helldivers 2.

 

[TropicanaTwista]

Played about 10 games or so. Its honestly not that bad, don't think so would ever pay $40 for it but I didn't hate my time with it.

It runs super smooth and the characters, gameplay wise, really do have a lot of different feels to them.

However, the characters designs are still atrocious. Feel like it even sucks more when playing the game because the UI and end game screen has such a cool retro 70s vibe. Like something more unique today, then you see the characters and it's clear they are completely uninspired and clearly trying to mimic other games and franchises.

The TTK is a little annoying. I understand it's a team based game and it's gonna be higher. I actually prefer that, but some of it is just ridiculous. I can't remember the character or class name, but I was one of the more faster/agile characters with a smg like gun. Got behind someone in the other team. Dumped a full clip, without missing a shot, and they didn't die. Wasn't like it was even a brute like character I was shooting at that would have more health, just a normal character. That's just absurd in any game, no matter the TTK.

 

[Varteras]

Lol I just watched a streamer playing as Star Child use his charge ability to chase after a Teo player who was almost dead. I couldn't help but laugh imagining that dude screaming for his life right before he got murdered after running for so long

 

[GymWolf]

Tried one match where i did a respectable 16-4 (i'm usually not that good) and it feel like a mix between halo for the high kill time and overwatch, not half bad but the character design is pretty horrid, some are ambulant dei checkboxes...
Also i kinda hate GOTG so them trying to copy that doesn't play in their favour at all.

The beta should have a training room where to check the characters or at least like a bigger description with some gifs of the abilities, i had to basically learn the character in a real match.

Maybe there is some info in one of the options in the main menu, i have to look better.

Who are the healers in this game?

 

[Varteras]

Who are the healers in this game?

Daws and Jabali. Emari and Lark can provide armor to teammates.

 

[Fabieter]

i heard the weekly story cutscenes are a new thing. but still, is not going to be enough.

better make money selling your game that hoping/manipulate gamers with aggressive MTX's.

I think this 40USD it's a healtier business model.

Story is a new thing( like the seasonal fornite clip?)One thing for sure cut scene with cringe writing and characters really won't be enough. I would see your point if those were not offensively bad.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Had a nice little match playing as It-Z where I specifically went after the tanks. I’m not going to claim I dominated every encounter, but using the teleport plus dodge move around those lumbering buffoons was so damned satisfying. A bit of a buff on that smg and she’d be perfect.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

The first character is just some dude with American football gear on. I lol'd.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Or they have €20 skins, or time-gated content.

There is something to be said for €40 approach, just like Helldivers 2.

Skins I could care less about. Gameplay is what matters. I'm just pushing back on the idea that they "charge for everything" which can only be true if you play games for the cosmetics and not the gameplay. To me, that's weird.

I'm not sure how much Helldivers 2 really benefited from being $40. It made sense from Arrowhead and Sonys perspective but did it really improve the game from the players perspective? I'm skeptical.

 

[ManaByte]

Lol I just watched a streamer playing as Star Child use his charge ability to chase after a Teo player who was almost dead. I couldn't help but laugh imagining that dude screaming for his life right before he got murdered after running for so long

Charge, melee, mid air shotgun kill. Star Child is fun.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Story is a new thing( like the seasonal fornite clip?)One thing for sure cut scene with cringe writing and characters really won't be enough. I would see your point if those were not offensively bad.

I never said it was good. I saw the intro...and the way they wrote the Asian character IS one the biggest issue with that writing style:

"too cool to be here".

so, why anyone would play the game in the first place, if the characters themselves act like been there is not exciting?

I think the game is going to be okay-good (6-7/10). but as you say; no original enough to stand out.

 

[geary]

So you don't have proof that Sony is paying people to like Concord. Got it.

Here's some proof...Cohh always admits in his youtube video if is a sponsorship or not.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

so, why anyone would play the game in the first place, if the characters themselves act like been there is not exciting?

Imagine playing chess on a board where all the pieces have a "too cool to be here" look on their face.

You would notice it once, and then completely forget about it once you're playing.

 

[Xtib81]

By the way, can cross play be turned off ? Or do you have to accept being obliterated by PC players?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Imagine playing chess on a board where all the pieces have a "too cool to be here" look on their face.

You would notice it once, and then completely forget about it once you're playing.

it depends on these story beats they have planned.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Skins I could care less about. Gameplay is what matters. I'm just pushing back on the idea that they "charge for everything" which can only be true if you play games for the cosmetics and not the gameplay. To me, that's weird.

I'm not sure how much Helldivers 2 really benefited from being $40. It made sense from Arrowhead and Sonys perspective but did it really improve the game from the players perspective? I'm skeptical.

The reason f2p games can keep going, is because people buy cosmetics and battlepasses with cosmetics.
Even Helldivers 2 does this to some extent.

It's fundamental to GaaS. Weird to see you act like that isn't the case, since you're Gaf's biggest GaaS advocate.

As for HD2, it did the same as Concord is doing, you buy it at a cheaper price and it offers free content alongside microtransactions to keep players engaged.
People were even fine to pay €40 for HD2, so it was a win-win-win for all parties involved.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

It's a team based game. The entire game was built around team based mechanics. High TTK facilities that.

Doesn't mean it's fun though. The game is fine. I can't describe it any other way.

It's a worse version of both Destiny and Overwatch.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

it depends on these story beats they have planned.

No one is thinking about the story during gameplay.

Multiplayer is the realm of gameplay oriented gamers.

 

[Fabieter]

Imagine playing chess on a board where all the pieces have a "too cool to be here" look on their face.

You would notice it once, and then completely forget about it once you're playing.

If that chess game is somehow story based yes i think you would notice it.

 

[ManaByte]

By the way, can cross play be turned off ? Or do you have to accept being obliterated by PC players?

Get gud. I have no problem winning matches, especially against PC players.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So you don't have proof that Sony is paying people to like Concord. Got it.

It was pretty easy yesterday to see all the "sponsored" videos on Twitch and of course those getting paid are going to speak highly of it as they are getting paid and want to keep getting paid for future videos

Yesterday when the big streamers were doing their sponsored ads there were around 50k viewers and now that those big boys aren't playing it viewership was down to 5k viewers earlier today right behind Animal Shelter Simulator

 

[Housh]

Sony is paying me to like Stellar Blade and Concord despite my basic media literacy issues and gullibility towards political rhetoric.

 

[Fabieter]

By the way, can cross play be turned off ? Or do you have to accept being obliterated by PC players?i

Its forced and only will get worse once more players have access to the game. Its mostly ps5 players rn.

 

[ManaByte]

Its forced and only will get worse once more players have access to the game. Its mostly ps5 players rn.

The beta is on Steam also

 

[Xtib81]

Get gud. I have no problem winning matches, especially against PC players.

Lol, yeah right.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Enjoyed an hour of it. Gunplay is good and overall presentation is nice. Wish they did a single player campaign. Would be something I jump into, but not go super deep, Im not much of a PVP player only fan

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Imagine playing chess on a board where all the pieces have a "too cool to be here" look on their face.

You would notice it once, and then completely forget about it once you're playing.

it depends on these story beats they have planned.

This issue here is if the gameplay is going to be strong enough to overcome the narrative.

 

[Fabieter]

The beta is on Steam also

The beta version of the game is also available on Steam, however, it is not as widely accessible as on PS5. If PC players are already causing issues, the situation may worsen in the future.

 

[ManaByte]

The beta version of the game is also available on Steam, however, it is not as widely accessible as on PS5. If PC players are already causing issues, the situation may worsen in the future.

PC players aren't causing issue. People suck at the game and the easiest thing to do is to blame the evil PC cheaters.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

This must be the worst cast of characters ever created. There is 0 incentive to buy skins and colors for those freaks.

 

[Fabieter]

PC players aren't causing issue. People suck at the game and the easiest thing to do is to blame the evil PC cheaters.

Its not about cheaters. A good pc player will run circles around a similar good console player. M+kb is just better for these kinda games.

 

[ManaByte]

Its not about cheaters. A good pc player will run circles around a similar good console player. M+kb is just better for these kinda games.

Again, not true. It's an easy excuse to go to though.

 

[Fabieter]

Again, not true. It's an easy excuse to go to though.

There is a reason riot is making a separate version of Valorant. Console gamers wouldnt have a chance against pc players.

 

[DarkStream]

Can’t log in on PC. i get an “Oxygen 5” error. Does anyone know what that’s supposed to mean?

 

[ManaByte]

There is a reason riot is making a separate version of Valorant. Console gamers wouldnt have a chance against pc players.

It's not a separate version. It's the same client with full cross-progression on PC and console. Did you even play the console beta?

 

[Evil Calvin]

First impression is it's Destiny meets Overwatch, but a worse version of both. Seeing as I stopped playing both of those as well, don't see myself playing more of this.

How is it anything like Destiny? First Descendant is like Destiny, this is a 100% Overwatch ripoff. Seems polished but pretty meh.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The reason f2p games can keep going, is because people buy cosmetics and battlepasses with cosmetics.
Even Helldivers 2 does this to some extent.

It's fundamental to GaaS. Weird to see you act like that isn't the case, since you're Gaf's biggest GaaS advocate.

You misunderstand my point.

T0minator said that in F2P are bad because you get charged for "everything else". That's only true if you value cosmetics over gameplay. I can't fathom anyone outside an insane asylum actually believing that.

Example: Fortnite has probably released over 10,000 cosmetic items over the years. I have purchased roughly .01 percent of those cosmetics. I have never once felt that I haven't experienced the full Fortnite because I didn't buy a Banana skin. "Everything" is the gameplay itself, not the cosmetics.

I like the fact that other people buy digital nonsense to fund the further development of a game I enjoy. I could care less about $20 dollar skins like I could care less about a $1,000.00 Gucci purse. It's completely irrelevant to me, the player.

As for HD2, it did the same as Concord is doing, you buy it at a cheaper price and it offers free content alongside microtransactions to keep players engaged.
People were even fine to pay €40 for HD2, so it was a win-win-win for all parties involved.

I question whether it's a win for players. I never used the heavy class in Helldivers 2. A lot of the stratagems I never used. Why is charging me full price for a lot of content better than F2P and allowing the player to only buy what appeals to them? In that $40 dollars comes a lot of junk.

If that chess game is somehow story based yes i think you would notice it.

Do you think Chess is story based? If someone tells you that you can watch a fictional Chess movie after every time you play chess, would that make chess story based to you?

it depends on these story beats they have planned.

This issue here is if the gameplay is going to be strong enough to overcome the narrative.

The narrative is irrelevant. Multiplayer gamers don't care about cutscenes. The game will live or die based on its gameplay alone.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

The narrative is irrelevant. Multiplayer gamers don't care about cutscenes. The game will live or die based on its gameplay alone.

is not irrelevant at all. especially when this game is pushing its narrative/story as a selling point.

 

[Varteras]

 

[Fabieter]

It's not a separate version. It's the same client with full cross-progression on PC and console. Did you even play the console beta?

Can you play against m+kb players? No you cant and you shouldn't because they would demolish you. It should be input based crossplay.

You misunderstand my point.

T0minator said that in F2P are bad because you get charged for "everything else". That's only true if you value cosmetics over gameplay. I can't fathom anyone outside an insane asylum actually believing that.

Example: Fortnite has probably released over 10,000 cosmetic items over the years. I have purchased roughly .01 percent of those cosmetics. I have never once felt that I haven't experienced the full Fortnite because I didn't buy a Banana skin. "Everything" is the gameplay itself, not the cosmetics.

I like the fact that other people buy digital nonsense to fund the further development of a game I enjoy. I could care less about $20 dollar skins like I could care less about a $1,000.00 Gucci purse. It's completely irrelevant to me, the player.


I question whether it's a win for players. I never used the heavy class in Helldivers 2. A lot of the stratagems I never used. Why is charging me full price for a lot of content better than F2P and allowing the player to only buy what appeals to them? In that $40 dollars comes a lot of junk.

Do you think Chess is story based? If someone tells you that you can watch a fictional Chess movie after every time you play chess, would that make chess story based to you?

The narrative is irrelevant. Multiplayer gamers don't care about cutscenes. The game will live or die based on its gameplay alone.

When the story focus is probably the only reason this costs money upfront than yes it absolutely matters when thats not good.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

is not irrelevant at all. especially when this game is pushing its narrative/story as a selling point.

"Story based"

Based.

Base.

Foundation.

Concord is not a story based game. It's a PvP based multiplayer shooter with a silly cutscene gimmick you don't even have to interact with.

What are we doing here?!

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

When the story focus is probably the only reason this costs money upfront than yes it absolutely matters when thats not good.

Is that why Helldivers 2 cost money up front? Because of its story?

In reality, Sony found that hype FOMO leads to impulse purchasing. They believe their GAAS titles can generate a small amount of hype FOMO so they charge $40 dollars.

Weird hoop jumping acting like these cutscenes have much impact on the longevity of a PvP game.

 

[Fabieter]

Is that why Helldivers 2 cost money up front? Because of its story?

In reality, Sony found that hype FOMO leads to impulse purchasing. They believe their GAAS titles can generate a small amount of hype FOMO so they charge $40 dollars.

Weird hoop jumping acting like these cutscenes have much impact on the longevity of a PvP game.

The "story" in this game is a selling point and the only difference to similar f2p games while helldivers 2 has not much similar games at all. Its somehow unique so people are rather giving money upfront to a game like helldivers.

I hope sony dont expect this to do as well as helldivers 2 tho.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You misunderstand my point.

T0minator said that in F2P are bad because you get charged for "everything else". That's only true if you value cosmetics over gameplay. I can't fathom anyone outside an insane asylum actually believing that.

Example: Fortnite has probably released over 10,000 cosmetic items over the years. I have purchased roughly .01 percent of those cosmetics. I have never once felt that I haven't experienced the full Fortnite because I didn't buy a Banana skin. "Everything" is the gameplay itself, not the cosmetics.

Ah yeah, I get ya. Already thought it was weird for you to say what I thought you said.

I like the fact that other people buy digital nonsense to fund the further development of a game I enjoy. I could care less about $20 dollar skins like I could care less about a $1,000.00 Gucci purse. It's completely irrelevant to me, the player.

Agreed.

I question whether it's a win for players. I never used the heavy class in Helldivers 2. A lot of the stratagems I never used. Why is charging me full price for a lot of content better than F2P and allowing the player to only buy what appeals to them? In that $40 dollars comes a lot of junk.

I dunno, the same could be said for all games.
Why do I pay full price for any rpg, because Idgaf about all the sidequests?

I think it's about value proposition.

€40 vs f2p like Overwatch makes Concord seem not worth it.

But €40 vs €50 for Hellblade 2 makes it look like a better deal.

 

[ManaByte]

€40 vs f2p like Overwatch makes Concord seem not worth it.

I thought people HATED Overwatch now?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I thought people HATED Overwatch now?

Just going by the logic some people apply to the €40 for Concord.

I actually think a game like Concord might fill a gap as OW does seem to be far less popular.

 

[fudgybrownie]

Need way more free gunner variety. Most of them suck to use. And why not a few each of the same type?