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[sankt-Antonio]

MS booty is pre-selling more than the Stellar Booty.

Stellar Ass costs twice as much.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

The only ones I know playing Xbox here in the UK is basically kids with gamepass because of their parents.

 

[yazenov]

MS booty is pre-selling more than the Stellar Booty.

Thats bad for Xbox fans. It will teach MS that the grass is greener on PS5 and all their games will sell better on PS5 since the Xbox audience doesn't buy games since they wait for them to come to Gamepass

 

[Kacho]

havoc00 we’re so back!!

 

[havoc00]

havoc00 we’re so back!!

Never left the uk is irrelevant esp after ms crushed them in court


But ya Ms is fucking up

 

[Elios83]

I don't understand the XBOX debacle right after they spent 70 billion on a top-5 IP, which should have brought them back to competition.

Instead, they are on a suicide run, lemming style.

Fans stupidly cheered for big acquisitions thinking they would be used to push an almost dead console brand.
The reality is that after the Activision acquisition they grew too big for this to be sustainable.
Microsoft's top management sees Xbox like a dead weight hindering the profits and grow they can achieve by become a leading multiplatform publisher.

 

[Labadal]

If they're not focusing on hardware or Gamepass, what is their focus?

 

[Dr.brain64]

 

[MisterXDTV]

If they're not focusing on hardware or Gamepass, what is their focus?

Buying other devs

 

[OverHeat]

If they're not focusing on hardware or Gamepass, what is their focus?

AA games

 

[yazenov]

If they're not focusing on hardware or Gamepass, what is their focus?

Making money by going 3rd party.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The strategy genre alone has a rich library of games on PC. Hearts of Iron 4, Homeworld, Total War, etc.

More than that though. Last Epoch was just released on PC and has a lot of folks playing it. I see a lot of games on Steam that just are not available on consoles. Probably because they don't have to worry about stuff like dev kits. Ease of entry.

Precisely my point.

 

[Poltz]

lol nonsense. Sales split show 15-20% sales go to Xbox. 55-60% go to PS5 and the rest of the 15-20% go to PC in UK. So if they stop portin games Xbox, might as well stop shipping games on PC.

20% might sound low but sometimes it comes down to whether or not you are profitable. So if they skip Xbox, they better hope to make that up on PS5 and PC. And good luck with that.

MS just needs to kill gamepass because they have trained their users to not buy games and wait for them to show up on gamepass. Xbox userbase always used to spend more per user than the PS userbase up until the X1 era. It was only after gamepass did we start to see lower spending on the box. Kill gamepass and you will see people spend more.

Cool, now do Europe. Xbox is dead last for software sales.

In terms of platforms, PC was No.1 in terms of game sales, ahead of PS5 (No.2), Switch (No.3), PS4 (No.4) and Xbox Series S and X (No.5). Out of those five, Switch and PS4 were the only platforms to post a drop in game sales year-on-year.

The biggest European market for games remains the UK, ahead of Germany (No.2), France (No.3), Spain (No.4) and Italy (No.5).

Video game sales up 1.7% in Europe during 2023 | European Annual Report

Small growth for game sales across Europe, but console sales up significantly due to PS5

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[Topher]

Precisely my point.

No your point was that PS5 "have all the PC games" and that is factually not true.

 

[NeverYouMind]

Precisely my point.

Your point is you want formulaic AAA $70 slop and not ambitious titles with a smaller budget?

 

[ManaByte]

Stellar Ass costs twice as much.

The Premium Edition of SoT is $60.

 

[semiconscious]

Fans stupidly cheered for big acquisitions thinking they would be used to push an almost dead console brand.
The reality is that after the Activision acquisition they grew too big for this to be sustainable.
Microsoft's top management sees Xbox like a dead weight hindering the profits and grow they can achieve by become a leading multiplatform publisher.

yep. why fabricate a new paradigm (game pass) when you've now positioned yourself to kick ass in the existing one?...

 

[Killjoy-NL]

No shit.

Whoever thought MS will make a major comeback is straightup delusional.

Full 3rd party publishing and exiting as console manufactorer is the only option left for MS.

 

[Klayzer]

And this is why I don't have any sympathy for Xbox 'pundits'; their 'analysis' and 'commentary' were always full of shit and excuses in favor of Xbox. ZERO critical thinking or insight about it.

But it is nice to see that specific community in shambles.

Regarding Xbox, as I said before, the atonement task in the next 2-4 years is going to be hell.

That's exactly how I feel about it as well.

Whenever opinions, were bought up about the possible negative effect Gamespass could have on Xbox, shills and fanboys went into straight attack mode.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Thats bad for Xbox fans. It will teach MS that the grass is greener on PS5 and all their games will sell better on PS5 since the Xbox audience doesn't buy games since they wait for them to come to Gamepass

I'm sure Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush sales on PS5 have already exceeded their expectations.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

No your point was that PS5 "have all the PC games" and that is factually not true.

It has all the games that sell from major third parties

Yes PC has strategy games. I can play those on an outdated pc, don’t need a gaming rig to do so

 

[Elios83]

yep. why fabricate a new paradigm (game pass) when you've now positioned yourself to kick as in the existing one?...

Gamepass imo is already an old chapter at this point.
They have realized after two years of flatlined growth at 25-30m subscribers that the dream of growing the service to 80-100m subscribers is impossible to achieve because the interest in such service is simply not as big as they anticipated.
Games are not movies or songs, gamers cannot play 100 games a year and they cannot force all publishers to release all their big games day one there if the business model isn't viable unless they're paying the bills by themselves.

The next step is becoming a gaming giant as a leading multiplatform publisher.

 

[solidus12]

Spoiler

 

[MasterCornholio]

I don't understand the XBOX debacle right after they spent 70 billion on a top-5 IP, which should have brought them back to competition.

Instead, they are on a suicide run, lemming style.

I think the issue was that they bought a multiplatform publisher. They probably know from them how much money they would lose if they went exclusive. Usually a strategy would work well if you owned the majority of the market but since they don't the opposite happened.

 

[NeverYouMind]

It has all the games that sell from major third parties

Yes PC has strategy games. I can play those on an outdated pc, don’t need a gaming rig to do so

You buy a laptop or some integrated crap and it is simply not going to cut it for the more modern releases. Also, Half-Life: Alyx and VR stuff is way bigger on PC.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Spoiler

Pretty much. This is going exactly as expected.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think the issue was that they bought a multiplatform publisher. They probably know from them how much money they would lose if they went exclusive. Usually a strategy would work well if you owned the majority of the market but since they don't the opposite happened.

I'm willing to bet the 10-year COD deal that Jim Ryan got out of it was what fucked Xbox over.

Makes sense that he announced his retirement right after the deal went through.

Basically a mic-drop nobody noticed.

 

[DForce]

I was told console sales don't matter.

 

[FatallyYours]

Best Xbox salesperson back at it

 

[MisterXDTV]

Gamepass imo is already an old chapter at this point.
They have realized after two years of flatlined growth at 25-30m subscribers that the dream of growing the service to 80-100m subscribers is impossible to achieve because the interest in such service is simply not as big as they anticipated.
Games are not movies or songs, gamers cannot play 100 games a year and they cannot force all publishers to release all their big games day one there if the business model isn't viable unless they're paying the bills by themselves.

The next step is becoming a gaming giant as a leading multiplatform publisher.

They told people that you don't need to buy Xbox consoles to use GamePass...

But you actually need those consoles sales to drive GamePass subscriptions

So, basically they fucked up big time

 

[Thanati]

Releasing the Xbox-Series S was a ridiculous move. As developers, when dealing with the PS5 it's easy. You have one platform and that's it; same hardware etc. The series S and X are different and we have to develop for the lower S, which is a pain.

 

[Crayon]

Shrinking the console user base is a good way to wind down game pass.

 

[Bernardougf]

PS5 is never going to have 70 years of software ported to it. It does not even have half the games that released on PC in the last year.

Im a sony/playstation guy since ps3 ... but after the Ps5 Pro specs announcement + sony games on PC ... Im really starting to think that next gen Im going PC only.

Tired of the endless cheapness of consoles ... and having to play with crap perfomance because of this cheapness.

 

[solidus12]

Pretty much. This is going exactly as expected.

Do you agree with him?
Do things look great for Xbox?

 

[Chuck Berry]

Kate Middleton approves of this photoshop.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

You buy a laptop or some integrated crap and it is simply not going to cut it for the more modern releases.

Why are you here evangelizing mate? Someone who can afford proper high end PC gaming can more than afford any PS5, so why wouldn't they have both? Someone who can only afford a PS5 is obviously not going to pay for a good gaming rig, so you're not going to convince them with these comments.

 

[NeverYouMind]

Why are you here evangelizing mate? Someone who can afford proper high end PC gaming can more than afford any PS5, so why wouldn't they have both? Someone who can only afford a PS5 is obviously not going to afford a good gaming rig, so you're not going to convince them with these comments.

Because PS5 hardware is a dinosaur before the big meteor hits. I am just giving them a heads up.

 

[Bernardougf]

If they're not focusing on hardware or Gamepass, what is their focus?

Inclusion and pronouns

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Because PS5 hardware is a dinosaur before the big meteor hits. I am just giving them a heads up.

What do you mean by that exactly?

Are you trolling or...

Besides, what's that got to do with the thread topic?

 

[hemo memo]

Less focus on GamePass? Why? GamePass is fucking amazing.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Releasing the Xbox-Series S was a ridiculous move. As developers, when dealing with the PS5 it's easy. You have one platform and that's it; same hardware etc. The series S and X are different and we have to develop for the lower S, which is a pain.

I remember most Gaffers at the time said it was a genius move to have two different SKUs and I got mocked for saying that Sony would completely undermine the Series strategy if they would release a "10tflop" console at a price right in between Series S and X.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Less focus on GamePass? Why? GamePass is fucking amazing.

I even heard 1 person say it's the best deal in gaming, have you ever heard that?

 

[Kacho]

Less focus on GamePass? Why? GamePass is fucking amazing.

Failed strategy due to lack of growth opportunity. It's unsustainable.

 

[NeverYouMind]

What do you mean by that exactly?

Are you trolling or...

Besides, what's that got to do with the thread topic?

It is not just Xbox that will be exiting the console industry in the next decade.

 

[adamsapple]

Less focus on GamePass? Why? GamePass is fucking amazing.

Dring must be smoking the good kush. March has been fantastic, so if there's less focus, it's certainly not showing.

And all the first party content will continue to be on the service day 1.

 

[H-I-M]

Time to close the entire Xbox division.

twilo99

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It is not just Xbox that will be exiting the console industry in the next decade.

Why would either Sony or Nintendo leave the console industry when they are on top of their game right now?

 

[Topher]

It has all the games that sell from major third parties

Yes PC has strategy games. I can play those on an outdated pc, don’t need a gaming rig to do so

Eh.....some of those games are fairly processor intensive. I know Total War has been used as a benchmark game many times. Depends on how outdated you are talking about, I guess.

But yes, wasn't arguing that PS5 doesn't get the major third party games.

 

[Sleepwalker]

I am not planing on supporting Sony though for various reasons. I will stick with MS as they have always been the only relevant company in terms of good hardware (lol @ Nintendo), so MS better turn this shit around. Otherwise it will be Nintendo and retro consoles, which honestly is largely enough considering the free time I have available anyway...

Go Nintendo and get a decent PC my friend, no need to worry about dumb console wars.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Dring must be smoking the good kush. March has been fantastic, so if there's less focus, it's certainly not showing.

And all the first party content will continue to be on the service day 1.

Until they pull the plug.