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I've talked more about politics in games the past year than I have many years prior. I'm ready to get back to just having fun.

Are you ready for the ElonStation 6 Pro?

Theres been some games that were hated for just pronouns when the rest of the gameplay had no signs of DEI.

I think it's a lot more games that get in this category than otherwise. A simple pronoun selection, unless it turns into a case where the character beats others over the head with it (like Taash), is completely benign, IMO.

 

[Krathoon]

I actually came accross this lesbian game that seems pretty good. lol.

Sorry We're Closed

Sorry We're Closed is a nostalgic, single-player survival horror game. Enjoy atmosphe

www.gog.com

 

[poppabk]

In the recent past, pronoun inclusion certainly hasn’t been a sign that a game is going be good

Or bad.

 

[FunkMiller]

Pretty much. Its why Im prolly not gonna spend my time much here. The anti-woke brigade started with the right intentions, but now they've turned into EXACTLY what we were always up against which was us vs canceling things they didnt like. Some people here are now canceling the game for having some stupid pronouns and arent even talking about the game itself. Seems like social media has truly brainwashed some people here.

I think you're missing a key difference, in that the 'other side' sought to insult, lambast, decry and cancel anyone else who didn't share their opinion. It's not just enough to boycott a product, it must also come with denigrating anyone who doesn't agree.

I don't think you'll find many instances here of people saying they won't buy a game because of its ideological leanings... and then also slagging off other people if they say they are going to buy it.

Basically, it's fine to boycott/criticise/denigrate a product, it's not fine to do it to other human beings.

 

[FunkMiller]

Or bad.

Please do point out a list of well received games that features He/Him She/Her They/Them as selection choices. Balance is always good in any discussion.

 

[EviLore]

I think you're missing a key difference, in that the 'other side' sought to insult, lambast, decry and cancel anyone else who didn't share their opinion. It's not just enough to boycott a product, it must also come with denigrating anyone who doesn't agree.

I don't think you'll find many instances here of people saying they won't buy a game because of its ideological leanings... and then also slagging off other people if they say they are going to buy it.

Basically, it's fine to boycott/criticise/denigrate a product, it's not fine to do it to other human beings.

Also, we'll have an official thread for Avowed for those who are interested in playing and discussing it, as we did for Veilguard.

 

[Topher]

Are you ready for the ElonStation 6 Pro?

 

[Mozzarella]

Its just things they use to virtue signal, it doesn't hurt the game or make it better, its just there.
Bad game will still be bad even without it.
Good game will still be good even with it.

Thing is a lot devs will waste time on these things and forget actual game design elements.

 

[Hohenheim]

Uh oh Hohenheim you better watch out!!

So ready for this!

 

[clarky]

I won't be buying it. It looks mediocre, and the last Obsidian game I played, The Outer Worlds, was poorly written and ideological to the point of absurdity. Pronouns aren't inherently a dealbreaker, but in this case the pronouns are a signal that the poor writing and ideological slant will persist.

I say that as someone who has his likeness in a previous Obsidian game and used to be their single biggest champion on the internet.

Its on Gamepass you don't need to buy it

 

[EviLore]

Its on Gamepass you don't need to buy it

I would need to pay for Gamepass. Same thing.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I actually came accross this lesbian game that seems pretty good. lol.

Sorry We're Closed

Sorry We're Closed is a nostalgic, single-player survival horror game. Enjoy atmosphe

www.gog.com

I played the demo for this. It's a good game. Interesting setting and what I played had decently written characters. Silent Hill and Killer 7 vibes.

Fear the Spotlight is also pretty good. Atmospheric horror. Retro graphics. I will probably pick this one up soon. It's got that special spooky eerie feeling you just get engrossed in.

Certain Indie devs just know how to make interesting or great games with a good narrative.

Signalis is much the same. The key takeaway is that these characters are well written and have much more depth then others which are just superficial.

 

[clarky]

I would need to pay for Gamepass. Same thing.

Hit me up for a 2 week trial boss in February

 

[EviLore]

Hit me up for a 2 week trial boss in February

Hah, appreciated but I'm good.

 

[FunkMiller]

Its on Gamepass you don't need to buy it

Ah yes. GamePass. That's the way everyone on PC tries out a game without paying for it, to see if they like it or not.

 

[The Cockatrice]

I think you're missing a key difference, in that the 'other side' sought to insult, lambast, decry and cancel anyone else who didn't share their opinion.

It's almost there at this rate. Actually, I've already seen it happen. Just a matter of time until there are only two extremes.

 

[clarky]

Ah yes. GamePass. That's the way everyone on PC tries out a game without paying for it, to see if they like it or not.

Not sure what you mean. ive checked out several turds this year, its saved me a fortune.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's almost there at this rate. Actually, I've already seen it happen. Just a matter of time until there are only two extremes.

Doi you have proof for that, though? Honestly, go through this thread and pick out instances of one Gaffer slagging off another one.

I think you'll struggle. Also, try to find instances of anyone being banned in this thread for their opinions on the inclusion of pronouns - one way or the other.

Now compare that to what would happen to you at certain other places if you didn't agree with the acceptable opinion on a game's content, or the political views of people involved.

 

[Irobot82]

I won't be buying it. It looks mediocre, and the last Obsidian game I played, The Outer Worlds, was poorly written and ideological to the point of absurdity. Pronouns aren't inherently a dealbreaker, but in this case the pronouns are a signal that the poor writing and ideological slant will persist.

I say that as someone who has his likeness in a previous Obsidian game and used to be their single biggest champion on the internet.

I miss the good ole' days of the Goose and the Fox and the scholar Erol of Levi.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Also, quite ironic that Musk goes after this after basically marketing Cyberpunk 2077, making it playable in Teslas, also his then wife participating in it, a game with a plethora of body options. Pro transhumanism and modifying the body, merging with AI and all that, except when your daughter turns trans.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Shocking. People need to realize this comes with the territory when it comes to the majority of Western or non-Asian games unfortunately. It’s like complaining that all the water you interact with is always wet.

 

[EviLore]

I miss the good ole' days of the Goose and the Fox and the scholar Erol of Levi.

Same. Hope we can get back to the good times sooner rather than later, but it will probably have to be through new companies rather than the hollow shells of Bioware, Obsidian, Arkane, et al.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Doi you have proof for that, though?

Yes, grummz which some of gaf seem to follow. What does being banned have to do with anything? Im not talking about resetera vs gaf mods, just boycotting in general from both sides(not gaf/rera, but in general, social media, etc.) are similar. Obviously, you "wont see it", but thats ok. People at the far ends of the social will never agree with anything that doesnt align with their views. It's yes or no, never a maybe. The fact that theres a 9 page discussion about something stupid is far enough proof. I dont agree with rera but I dont agree with boycotting a game for such an idiotic thing either. Guess I dont fit anywhere anymore, so whatever. Gonna put this thread on ignore and just chill here for the news.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yes, grummz which some of gaf seem to follow. What does being banned have to do with anything? Im not talking about resetera vs gaf mods, just boycotting in general from both sides(not gaf/rera, but in general, social media, etc.) are similar.

Sorry, don't agree. The amount of hate and spite thrown at anyone who bought Hogwart's Legacy was off the charts. I just don't see that from 'the other side' when they decide not to purchase a game due to its content.

 

[Lord Thunderbear]

Nine pages and no one did an "Awoked" pun yet? Come on.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I'm not sure how I am supposed to deal with the fact that I'm forced to select my pronouns. This is destroying art!!! Real art not only makes these decisions for you, but should only allow a binary choice.

 

[Joshmyersbv]

Even though pronouns are fucking stupid the biggest issue this game has is the Game Director having no experience handling a bigger game. The last thing she directed was DLC for Outer Worlds that fucking sucked.

 

[Duchess]

I would imagine this display of pronouns on your info screen is something you can turn off? I'm not sure why you'd want or need it there?

Some people hate all this pronoun stuff because they say it's woke agenda stuff. The reason I hate it is because it's really distracting, and creates a lot of unnecessary visual noise. To me, it screams to be paid attention to, when it's actually really insignificant and only matters to a small number of people.

 

[mckmas8808]

oh no, anyway

calling everything woke is more woke than the thing they are calling woke at this point.

Agreed!

 

[PendekarRajawali]

IGN GOTY

 

[Kokoloko85]

Are you ready for the ElonStation 6 Pro?



I think it's a lot more games that get in this category than otherwise. A simple pronoun selection, unless it turns into a case where the character beats others over the head with it (like Taash), is completely benign, IMO.

I agree. But I think some games have been hated on for simple DEI/Pronoun thing and before much is shown, they are hounded over and DOA. I dont even wanna say the names lol. Im not a DEI fan either.

Do you remember anything about the Outer Worlds writing? I cant remember any complaints about woke writing. I only remember complaints about the female characters looks.

 

[Sooner]

I'm out.

 

[Krathoon]

Did they ever fix up Outer Worlds performance? They made that tweaked up version, but the performance was not so great.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

the army is doing it's job

 

[adamsapple]

Do you remember anything about the Outer Worlds writing? I cant remember any complaints about woke writing. I only remember complaints about the female characters looks.

I had fun with the game, the DLC campaigns especially were really good. I think most of the writing complaints are overblown, personally.

And this female faces montage thing is something that didn't even cross my mind until someone specifically calls it out, but at least we know Avowed doesn't have that problem, the character models are better, since they're 3D renders of the PoE model sprites.

 

[Pantz]

I wonder if everyone could be happy if they kept in the gold standard male and female and additionally let you choose pronouns for people who want to be more creative. Same for body type A and B games, also include Male and Female body types.

 

[Guileless]

I only remember complaints about the female characters looks.

When you see all those faces together, the effect is undeniable. I didn't play it, but are there also conventionally attractive women in addition to these faces?

 

[RoadHazard]

As long as it isn't shoved in your face in the actual game, who gives a shit. If someone wants to roleplay as a he/her/they or whatever, let them.

 

[Jimmy_liv]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

This.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I don’t understand the need for character pronouns at all, and I sure as hell hope it’s not part of the conversations between characters.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I don’t understand the need for character pronouns at all, and I sure as hell hope it’s not part of the conversations between characters.

I've watched dozens of previews, even the 2x90 minutes playthrough. Never seen a quest heading into some pronoun or woke agenda. Until this thread with the screenshot of the character sheet, I wouldn't have known.

If they have an agenda to shove down our throats like Dragon Age Veilguard, then they're masters of hiding it. Or further down the line in the game, but I mean, typically you can sniff from the beginning a game that was designed around these agendas.

 

[Radical_3d]

I don’t think the target audience, where fucking a bear is ok, care two shits about that.

 

[Kokoloko85]

When you see all those faces together, the effect is undeniable. I didn't play it, but are there also conventionally attractive women in addition to these faces?

I didnt play it. There most have been lol

 

[//DEVIL//]

I was out because the game doesn't even look fun to play. but this is just icing on a cake not to grab it.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I don’t think the target audience, where fucking a bear is ok, care two shits about that.

The issue is that target audience is possibly only a few hundred people on Earth and most definitely not enough to recoup the budget for the game

But they work for Microsoft so they'll get laid off for some unrelated reason anyways

 

[realcool]

my face every time i see a hot chick in a game but i don't know if its a guy because there isn't a permanent pronoun indicator option in the accessibility settings:

Spoiler

 

[Radical_3d]

The issue is that target audience is possibly only a few hundred people on Earth and most definitely not enough to recoup the budget for the game

But they work for Microsoft so they'll get laid off for some unrelated reason anyways

The bear fucking game sold pretty well, I’d say.

 

[Rocky_Balboa]

Also, quite ironic that Musk goes after this after basically marketing Cyberpunk 2077, making it playable in Teslas, also his then wife participating in it, a game with a plethora of body options. Pro transhumanism and modifying the body, merging with AI and all that, except when your daughter turns trans.

It is part of the world in Cyberpunk. It feels more organic than forced. For a fantasy game, it is a bit different. However the setting is important. First world problems shouldn't be inserted to games that are not about modern times. Who cares about pronouns if they are fighting for their life against dragons, zombies, skeletons etc.? If you make a game about 2024 California, then yeah put all that shit in there.

 

[Shrap]

Almost 10 pages over the most minute detail in a game and you guys think woke people are crybabies.

 

[digital_ghost]

Not surprised that Bill Gate's company opened the woke floodgates.