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Avowed has pronouns
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Little Chicken
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So humbled to see Avowed generating so much relevant conversation 
FalconPunch
Gold Member
That's certainly an ignorant way of framing the argument. Pronouns now act as a canary in the coal mine that something is wrong. There's a certain segment of people that are adamant at pushing a specific ideology. Will that bleed into the rest of the game? What has history shown about games with this in the past?
Never have I seen a group of people so afraid of a subset of descriptive words.
The truth of the matter is that pronouns are not the problem but what they represent. In many cases, the games that push this also push a specific ideology in the game often to the detriment of the game. A lot of times, the games that are developed by these type of people are often disconnected from the desires of the audience. It's not always the case and there are exceptions but, gamers are simply seeing a trend.
TLDR; Get this shit out of my game.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
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The little interest I had in the game has vanished. Ultimately my time is too precious to play garbage which is influenced by woke culture.
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FalconPunch
Gold Member
Keep that same energy when the game bombs. Like all the developers who have learned the hard way, it's never a good idea to tell your audience not to buy your game because they just might listen. Saints Row, Battlefield 5, Concord, etc....
Im sure your purchase will be missed.
Do games "need" to allow multiple genders or to change your face and clothing? No. There are plenty of RPGs where you play a character that you don't get to change.
So there is equally no automatic need to allow a player to set their gender identity. The question is whether when players can decide their gender, background, race and appearance, it also makes sense to allow them to choose their gender identity. Is a player's gender identity as important to them as being able to have facial hair or tattoos?
We could make an argument against allowing tattoos in games on the basis that if people want to "defile" themselves in real life that's fine, but we shouldn't have to change games to accommodate their proclivity.
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As long as it doesn't have atrocious dialogue as Dragon Age The Veilguard. Because frankly that's a way bigger issue because it ruins the whole game, plot, characters and the narrative. It's actually so bad SkillUp did a 45min video tearing Dragon Age apart and it's all justified. Just "having pronouns" is not even the same ballpark.
DenchDeckard
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It's on gamepass. I'm looking forward to it.
If it's a minor thing, it's all good.
If i start hearing about dragons talking about that they don't feel comfortable in their skin and feel like as missions or story progress I'll kindly bow out.
I dont want any ten minute dialogue cutscenes of my character pulling a barv
If it's a minor thing, it's all good.
If i start hearing about dragons talking about that they don't feel comfortable in their skin and feel like as missions or story progress I'll kindly bow out.
I dont want any ten minute dialogue cutscenes of my character pulling a barv
This. I have seen this pre-release reaction so many times in the last 5 years, and then the same people are upset when studios are closed. Well...
samoilaaa
Member
the same way you knew before the pronouns
you telling me that there is a posibility that one of these 2 guys might be female ?
captainnapalm
Member
Yeah but these two things are often connected. When your focus is on DEI and putting modern social issues in your game, there's a very good chance it's not going to be well written. That's why people avoid this stuff or side-eye it.
There's a huge amount of gamers though that gloss over game stories and don't pay much attention to video game writing so they miss half the woke nonsense in these games and can't understand why people are against this stuff.
Zathalus
Member
Extreme examples yes, but I separate the art from the artist. As do most people I wager. If I were to stop buying products made by people I have a disagreement with then I may as well throw most of my gaming hardware and games in the trash.
Randall365
Member
The thing with this is that nobody cares if you make the perfect game, but we all know this will be an Ubislop deal where there will be focus on DEI stuff and not the characters, story, performance and game-breaking bugs - that’s what annoys you when you pay £70 for one or these games.
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Maddoxswe
Member
who are you again ?
I'm nobody, just like yourself.
The difference is that I don't tear my hair out over something that doesn't affect me.
And if it does, I simply won't buy the game.
crackajack
Member
I am body type 1 and want to play as such, what the hell is he/him?
KiteGr
Member
While a few years ago this would had been just an interesting curiosity, all the recent DEI flops have conditioned us to notice and avoid any signs of Wokeness. ...and you cant have a more obvious sign than pronouns.
Woke games have a 75% chance of flopping, An 80% chance of being bad, an 85% chance of having ugly characters, a 95% chance of having a bad story, and a 100% chance of blaming you for their flop. It's only natural that we developed some defences.
Pronouns in particular is the most selfish of all the woke behaviours. I've studied other languages and having to remember each item's gender is very tough. Trying to normalize playing along into other people's delusions is just absurd.
What kind of logic is that? If Elon Musk is against rape, you would be for it?
The Stig
Banned
I honestly don't care. I swear there are a bunch of people on this site just looking to get pissed off at anything even remotely "woke" (AKA anything they dont like).
Musk is a clown
oh come on, dont be obtuse.
Musk is a clown
captainnapalm
Member
Lol - the richest man in the world who revolutionised two separate industries - and that's not even mentioning stuff like Neuralink or XAi. Oh and the minute he got involved in an election his candidate had a massive victory. Oh, and he's probably the best Diablo player in the world. If he's a clown, what does that make you?
Werewolf Jones
Member
The middle one looks like they turned The Judge from Blood Meridian into a Na'vi. Wtf.
Schmendrick
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Tell me you`ve never seen trucker lesbians in real life without telling me you`ve never seen trucker lesbians in real life.
RickSanchez
Member
If it is only pronouns, more from the point of view of adapting voice lines directed at the player i.e the NPCs will use those pronouns to refer to the player, then it's fine to have this option. It's a practical use-case. A game like BG3 could have benefited from this (as it is, BG3 companions either talk to you directly, so they use 'you' instead of a gender pronoun, or they say 'our leader' when talking about you).
Starfield has this i.e your companions have your chosen pronoun baked into their voice lines when talking about you, which is nice (yes Starfield has a host of other problems, but excessive overt DEI stuff is not one of its problems).
If it's a sign of more overt anachronisms in the game, like Dragon Age Veilguard had, then that could actually be immersion breaking. But we don't know that yet. And Obsidian don't normally miss. So i am still cautiosly optimistic about this game. Will, as usual, wait for reviews.
Starfield has this i.e your companions have your chosen pronoun baked into their voice lines when talking about you, which is nice (yes Starfield has a host of other problems, but excessive overt DEI stuff is not one of its problems).
If it's a sign of more overt anachronisms in the game, like Dragon Age Veilguard had, then that could actually be immersion breaking. But we don't know that yet. And Obsidian don't normally miss. So i am still cautiosly optimistic about this game. Will, as usual, wait for reviews.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Do I side with the chuds or xbox? I'm so conflicted
Kvally
Member
I kept the same energy with TLOU.
samoilaaa
Member
well ask Remedy , Bioware , Concord devs if they miss the purchases of millions of people that didnt buy their game because of woke ( myself included ) and this trend wont stop
Im sure your purchase will be missed.
The Stig
Banned
He didn't design any of what he sells. Don't be under any illusions that he is some sort of genius. He isn't. He got into those businesses because he had/has a shit ton of money and bought into them. Do you actually think he has any actual input into how anything at space x or tesla is designed or built? (apart from the ridiculous cybertruck) Without said money he'd be a nobody.
nemiroff
Gold Member
Absolutely.
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GymWolf
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Do people expected a non-woke game after the outer worlds?
Hopefully it's not as egregious as veilguard where the companions refer to traash as they when they have banters about her just to confuse the shit out of me
Bitch is annoying even when she is out of the group
Hopefully it's not as egregious as veilguard where the companions refer to traash as they when they have banters about her just to confuse the shit out of me
Bitch is annoying even when she is out of the group
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captainnapalm
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Everything you said here is completely false. Why don't you do some research before spouting off? Thanks for confirming who the actual clown is.
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Dazraell
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Alan Wake II was actually Remedy's fastest-selling game in their entire history. It hasn't recouped its costs cause budget for this was much higher than their other games. If I remember correctly, it was almost double of what they had for Control
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Well that settles that then.
You heard it here folks....."Everyones doing it."
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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I would argue putting something as trivial and minor as pronouns in your game, tells me, exactly the direction you will have likely taken with your characters and storytelling.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Not only will have the same energy ill be enjoying the game too, Gamepass day one!
People mention Remedy and say Alan Wake 2 was woke.....I frikken loved the game, its sales have no impact on my enjoyment of it.
Fact that Remedy are already working on Control part 2 has me excited for the future as well.
Battlefield V didnt bomb because it had women soldiers (or whatever people were calling Woke about it), it bombed because it didnt bring enough to the table after Battlefield 1.
Funny enough that Battlefield V is the current highest charting Battlefield game daily on Steam, if they had crossplay im sure even BF1 would still be charting pretty damn high.
If you meant BF2042 that bombed because they were chasing the Hero Shooter trend that Battlefield players never wanted.
Concord and Saints Row were just games no one asked for, they got what they deserved,.
Remedys last two games were Alan Wake 2 and Control.......what am i missing?
Alan Wake 2 was the shit and Control was my GOTY of 2019.
Veilguard I havent actually given a chance, I didnt like the artstyle or the changes to the gameplay loop, but I plan on giving it a chance during the Christmas holiday ill judge it myself.
Concord was a damn bomb from the get go, even if it had nothing but macho white men, its a game no one wanted.....not because it was woke but cuz it was like 8 years too late on release.
GymWolf
Member
I can't take anyone seriously with these takes. Its meme worthy
Pillars of Eternity, beloved RPG with massive kickstarter success :
Avowed, same universe in 3D :
A waterfall with some green, a rocky canyon and a rocky canyon with some green are not exactly the unique gatcha you think they are.
Not familiar with pillars universe but the gifs look kinda generic as fuck.
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wolfboy203
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The people literally whining about options in a fucking fantasy video game and calling it woke even though you can just select what you prefer and just move on and play the game...the woke grift is becoming insanely repetitive and it's really fucking tiring to see people fall for it again and again..
If this is what turns you off the game, you probably need to reevaluate your hobby.
I find it so weird that people are stuck up on this issue.
Which side is the snowflakes again?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yup!
Yeah, I'll deffo be giving it a go as the game looks and sounds awesome from the previews, but if there is any egregious woke agenda it will be getting switched off.
pasterpl
Member
Not sure what’s this supposed to prove, human babies, newborns are very tasty and nutritious, nothing controversial about this /s
Buggy Loop
Member
I’m not trying to sell the game as the best visuals or something but the fact that peoples were over the moon a few years ago for an isometric cRPG with the same art style, same world.
This waterfall was talked about for months because it was animated, oh wow! Animation in cRPG
Now that Obsidian has the means to make a much bigger sprawling RPG with UE5 and looks quite good imo, it’s dogshit? Am I alone thinking this is crazy? Did peoples expect obsidian to go from 2D to Last of us part 2 graphics in a massive RPG?
King Dazzar
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Game already lost me at them celebrating 30fps on XSX. Shame as I really enjoyed my time with Outer Worlds (if you can look past some of the cringe hairy muff romance stuff).
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