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[Jaybe]

Making your own character is a core concept of RPGs since their inception, and games have been letting you assign gender independent of appearance for a long time too. It's literally just the word "pronoun" that seems to upset people, which is weird because that's a normal part of speech that you should have learned about in second grade.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. They try to change that too but it always has been.

If you look into what is being pushed lately it’s all about not being able to procreate whether it’s gay or trans or “gender affirming care” or to kill your unborn.

You know trans people are binary and use the same normal pronouns as everyone else, right? Why are you making this about trans people?

Add that to most pushing this stuff are satanic pedophiles and you can start seeing why some people call it evil.

Ok maybe you shouldn't be lecturing others about mental illness.

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

Making your own character is a core concept of RPGs since their inception, and games have been letting you assign gender independent of appearance for a long time too. It's literally just the word "pronoun" that seems to upset people, which is weird because that's a normal part of speech that you should have learned about in second grade.

Games haven’t been letting you assign gender independent of appearance for a long time. Such an absurd notion.

As you are aware, concerns from regular people regarding pronoun usage refers specifically to modern gender theory. There’s really no need to be so obtuse.

Honestly, at this point are you conscious of the attempted gaslighting and manipulation or is it just an automatic response?

 

[FunkMiller]

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. They try to change that too but it always has been.

If you look into what is being pushed lately it’s all about not being able to procreate whether it’s gay or trans or “gender affirming care” or to kill your unborn. Add that to most pushing this stuff are satanic pedophiles and you can start seeing why some people call it evil.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Games haven’t been letting you assign gender indecent of appearance for a long time. Such an absurd notion.

As you are aware, concerns from regular people regarding pronoun usage refers specifically to modern gender theory. There’s really no need to be obtuse.

Honestly, at this point are you conscious of the attempted gaslighting and manipulation or is it just an automatic response?

I get that the concept of non-binary (or at least the language used to describe it) is new and scary to people, but it feels like you've rather lost the plot otherwise.

Like trans women just use the same pronouns as cis women, and trans men use the same pronouns and cis men. This is just picking your character's gender same as ever, but now there's a third option for "maybe a little in between."

And while the term non-binary might be a modern concept, androgyny sure as shit isn't, I grew up with Bowie and Prince talking about how they were something other than purely male or female and people weren't as threatened by it back then unless they were incredibly square. It has nothing to do with hormones or surgeries or transitioning or children, non-binary is just people who reject gender labels and norms, which isn't new.

 

[JayK47]

Something changed in recent years. I've never like pronouns in games or character creators that let you make "anything you want" or more like anything activists want. Games like Saints Row 2 allowed it as a joke. Now we are living the joke. I complained when pronouns were in Forza, and I was essentially told to kindly eff off. Slippery slope indeed. Now years later many games take it too far and even something as small as a photo with pronouns send half the community into a tizzy. Overall it seems the community is worn out and tired of the focus on DEI in every game. Is it an overreaction? Yeah. But fuck these developers and publishers for pushing it and taking it too far. If you don't like the overreaction, where were you years ago when it started? Probably busy telling people to shut up and ignore the cancer and just play the game. Now the cancer is killing games and entire studios. Guess we should have done something about this earlier.

 

[adamsapple]

It’s the result of their actions. I don’t see them saying they should all wait til adulthood to make life changing decisions.

Ok but maybe a little less southern baptist church and a little more on how this particular change might impact your enjoyment of the game Avowed, please ?

There's a separate topic discussing the greater nuance of this in general if you want to continue this discussion there, I guess.

 

[Oppoi]

I'm on the lgbt committee for a pretty big company and I won't put pronouns in my sig.

What if the company you worked for suddenly demand you to do it?

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Games haven’t been letting you assign gender independent of appearance for a long time. Such an absurd notion.

As you are aware, concerns from regular people regarding pronoun usage refers specifically to modern gender theory. There’s really no need to be so obtuse.

Honestly, at this point are you conscious of the attempted gaslighting and manipulation or is it just an automatic response?

Not worth it to give them a serious reply. They know but they're just playing dumb when it's obvious they support those evil insane shits. Nobody that is actually neutral would mind these things getting dunked on let alone go out of their way to defend it.

Something changed in recent years. I've never like pronouns in games or character creators that let you make "anything you want" or more like anything activists want. Games like Saints Row 2 allowed it as a joke. Now we are living the joke. I complained when pronouns were in Forza, and I was essentially told to kindly eff off. Slippery slope indeed. Now years later many games take it too far and even something as small as a photo with pronouns send half the community into a tizzy. Overall it seems the community is worn out and tired of the focus on DEI in every game. Is it an overreaction? Yeah. But fuck these developers and publishers for pushing it and taking it too far. If you don't like the overreaction, where were you years ago when it started? Probably busy telling people to shut up and ignore the cancer and just play the game. Now the cancer is killing games and entire studios. Guess we should have done something about this earlier.

Yep these sick and twisted things would have been seen as a joke and rightfully so when the world was more sane and when folks still got common sense. But now these same things that normal people would think are pure trolls, jokes, and insane things are actually viewed as normal by some lunatics because of years of brainwashing. Thankfully the majority of the world still sees them as crazy and that more and more people are waking up to their insanity and retarded views.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Ok but maybe a little less southern baptist church and a little more on how this particular change might impact your enjoyment of the game Avowed, please ?

There's a separate topic discussing the greater nuance of this in general if you want to continue this discussion there, I guess.

Pronouns is just the canary in the coal mine for what’s to come. Tells you the devs had that agenda in their mindset when making the game. Just like SBI’s involvement in a game is a tell for what’s to come.

It’s only a matter of time until they try and normalize “minor attracted persons” through media and we’ll see who keeps that same energy. They’re already trying to normalize it on bluesky.

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

I get that the concept of non-binary (or at least the language used to describe it) is new and scary to people, but it feels like you've rather lost the plot otherwise.

Like trans women just use the same pronouns as cis women, and trans men use the same pronouns and cis men. This is just picking your character's gender same as ever, but now there's a third option for "maybe a little in between."

And while the term non-binary might be a modern concept, androgyny sure as shit isn't, I grew up with Bowie and Prince talking about how they were something other than purely male or female and people weren't as threatened by it back then unless they were incredibly square. It has nothing to do with hormones or surgeries or transitioning or children, non-binary is just people who reject gender labels and norms, which isn't new.

Myself, along with most regular people outright reject the concept that gender is separate from sex.

You lose people the second you take something like androgyny and merge it into the modern concept of gender. You then call it an identity and compel others to treat it as such.

You lose people further when you label and ostracise those that don’t ascribe to this distortion of reality.

Non-binary is an identity, to believe in such a thing over simple androgyny is to believe in the tenets of gender theory. Why does speaking with you feel like I’m undergoing some kind of conversion therapy?

 

[Crayon]

What if the company you worked for suddenly demand you to do it?

In all likelihood, I'd decline. Depends on the nature of the "demand", though.

 

[Oppoi]

In all likelihood, I'd decline. Depends on the nature of the "demand", though.

Given the context of the thread entertain the idea that you work for Microsoft.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Myself, along with most regular people outright reject the concept that gender is separate from sex.

Ok, fine, but that's more of a real life etiquette issue, you get how that doesn't apply to videogames, right?

Your character doesn't have chromosomes, nor do they have an assigned birth sex. If your character is she/her then they're she/her, there's no cis/trans choice. You're making this a trans thing when it's not.

You lose people the second you take something like androgyny and merge it into the modern concept of gender. You then call it an identity and compel others to treat it as such.

It's not really a different concept than it ever was, it's just the language that's different. Androgyny and non-binary mean the same thing.

Non-binary is an identity, to believe in such a thing over simple androgyny is to believe in the tenets of gender theory. Why does speaking with you feel like I’m undergoing some kind of conversion therapy?

Man, it's just a third pronoun choice in a video game, it's not some big treatise on "gender theory," just pick "He/Him and get on with your life.

 

[Crayon]

Given the context of the thread entertain the idea that you work for Microsoft.

Okay so let's assume that it comes as pressure first, then I decline, then there's a complaint to hr. I don't know how that would really go, but that's my best guess of how it would realistically escalate. At least assuming that it's not actually black and white company policy. In that case, I'd tell them to go on and start an investigation and I'll be at my desk when they need me.

There's a lot of other considerations like how much I need them vs them needing me, but this is all speculative anyhow.

 

[Oppoi]

In that case, I'd tell them to go on and start an investigation and I'll be at my desk when they need me.

I think they'd promote you to a chief position on the spot if you pulled something crazy just like that.

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but if they did promote you... then would you kindly put your pronouns in your bio?

Join the family.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

This is why I always walk around with my penis out at work.

No questions

 

[Crayon]

I think they'd promote you to a chief position on the spot if you pulled something crazy just like that.

...

but if they did promote you... then would you kindly put your pronouns in your bio?

Nah that's not so crazy. I do shit like that all the time lol. Well, from time to time. I know not everyone is in that position, though. I've had a series of fortunate events that make me very secure here. I have enough capitol for occasional defiance.

In this case of being pressured to put pronouns, I really would tell them to do their worst. I'm on the lgbt committee for chrissakes. Check my references!!

I would still not put the pronouns in there because I do believe it's doing harm to lgbt acceptance. But if you asked nicely I would make the gayest signature you could possibly imagine.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Did you know one of their clothing companies that Target got shit for was a satanic trans clothing brand?

Pronouns signals acceptance of mutilating children so they never procreate and are a customer to big pharma forever.

Not surprised that satanic stuff relates to that since it'll make sense that something like Satan would want to corrupt all that is good and correct. So he'll try to twist the two genders into something evil, and twisted. The Baphomet looks trans already and those drag trans freaks that tries to corrupt kids in some school already look like demons anyway.

 

[FunkMiller]

Not surprised that satanic stuff relates to that since it'll make sense that something like Satan would want to corrupt all that is good and correct. So he'll try to twist the two genders into something evil, and twisted. The Baphomet looks trans already and those drag trans freaks that tries to corrupt kids in some school already look like demons anyway.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Pronouns is just the canary in the coal mine for what’s to come. Tells you the devs had that agenda in their mindset when making the game. Just like SBI’s involvement in a game is a tell for what’s to come.

It’s only a matter of time until they try and normalize “minor attracted persons” through media and we’ll see who keeps that same energy. They’re already trying to normalize it on bluesky.

Yeah that's usually how it goes. First they start off with something small and then try to desensitize the masses to get used to it before enforcing it. Afterwards they push for something even more crazy and disgusting and repeat from there. Lots of things were seen as completely crazy and evil decades ago but ended up being normalized now. I haven't been to bluesky nor have I ever used twitters before but I'm not surprised they are pushing for that there. If people are okay with insane shits like switching genders because they somehow feel like they're in the wrong body than it's only a matter of time before they try to push others into allowing other sick shits like sex with kids or animals. Probably would have happened if there was no pushbacks throughout the decades.

 

[Crayon]

Not surprised that satanic stuff relates to that since it'll make sense that something like Satan would want to corrupt all that is good and correct. So he'll try to twist the two genders into something evil, and twisted. The Baphomet looks trans already and those drag trans freaks that tries to corrupt kids in some school already look like demons anyway.

Rebuke satan and rebuke his big red thorny cock.

 

[Dazraell]

So far I haven't seen anyone going through the character creation. I imagine one of the previews must have made their characters are the protagonists don't all look the same. No mention of it anywhere though

There won't be any mention of it as apparently character creator was embargoed and no one could say anything about it, nor showing it on their previews

It might be just a knee-jerk reaction to Veilguard's poor reception when they started showing character creator, but at a same time it's still a red flag

 

[Calico345]

I get that the concept of non-binary (or at least the language used to describe it) is new and scary to people, but it feels like you've rather lost the plot otherwise.

Like trans women just use the same pronouns as cis women, and trans men use the same pronouns and cis men. This is just picking your character's gender same as ever, but now there's a third option for "maybe a little in between."

And while the term non-binary might be a modern concept, androgyny sure as shit isn't, I grew up with Bowie and Prince talking about how they were something other than purely male or female and people weren't as threatened by it back then unless they were incredibly square. It has nothing to do with hormones or surgeries or transitioning or children, non-binary is just people who reject gender labels and norms, which isn't new.

I just find it funny how in this very same context if someone said they identify as a martian, or a chicken, or a pancake, it would be different and ascribed to some type of issue within the brain and self. But if someone believes they are the opposite gender of their physical birth, everyone has to not only accept it but change how they speak and behave and the entire world has to be different for their sake.

Would we we be doing the same if all of those people said they were martians, chickens, or pancakes?

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I just find it funny how in this very same context if someone said they identify as a martian, or a chicken, or a pancake, it would be different and ascribed to some type of issue within the brain and self. But if someone believes they are the opposite gender of their physical birth, everyone has to not only accept it but change how they speak and behave and the entire world has to be different for their sake.

Would we we be doing the same if all of those people said they were martians, chickens, or pancakes?

For real lol, it's all obviously so bad that any normal sane person would think they were joking when the world was more sane if they tried to identify as a pancake, chicken, different sex etc. And if they aren't and are actually serious than it's obviously a mental illness problem.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I just find it funny how in this very same context if someone said they identify as a martian, or a chicken, or a pancake, it would be different and ascribed to some type of issue within the brain and self. But if someone believes they are the opposite gender of their physical birth, everyone has to not only accept it but change how they speak and behave and the entire world has to be different for their sake.

Would we we be doing the same if all of those people said they were martians, chickens, or pancakes?

For real lol, it's all obviously so bad that any normal sane person would think they were joking when the world was more sane if they tried to identify as a pancake, chicken, different sex etc. And if they aren't and are actually serious than it's obviously a mental illness problem.

For me, if someone wants to identify as an air conditioner go ahead, but don’t mess around with other peoples lives.

But to me being classified as male and female is simply a classification people should adhere to.

If someone is born with two working arms and two legs youre an able bodied person. If a guy wants to purposely never use his left leg doesn’t mean he’s suddenly crippled and handicap. But simply purposely going against what he’s originally got.

No different than a white person trying to call themself black or vice versa. Do what you want but scientifically you are what you really are so just man up and accept (ya, pun intended. Lol).

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

For me, if someone wants to identify as an air conditioner go ahead.

But to me being classified as male and female is simply a classification people should adhere to.

If someone is born with two arms and two legs youre an able bodied person. If a guy wants to purposely never use his left leg doesn’t mean he’s suddenly crippled and handicap. But simply purposely going against what he’s originally got.

No different than a white person trying to call themself black or vice versa. Do what you want but scientifically you are what you really are so just man up and accept (ya, pun intended. Lol).

Well said.

And I honestly don't really have a problem if the crazies would keep to themselves. It'll only start becoming a problem once they expect people to accept their sick twisted ways of thinking. I imagine most of the people that have a problem with them are because of this reason too.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well said.

And I honestly don't really have a problem if the crazies would keep to themselves. It'll only start becoming a problem once they expect people to accept their sick twisted ways of thinking. I imagine most of the people that have a problem with them are because of this reason too.

Exactly.

Things like male and female classifications aren’t done to piss people off. But like any metric it’s simply a standard way of grouping and describing people without subjective feelings or changes.

For example, how tall is someone? I’m 6 ft. But technically if I crouch I might be 4 ft, 6 ft 2 if I go on my tippy toes and if I jump and stretch my arms out maybe I can hit 10 ft touching a basketball rim. If I had big hair I could add another few inches too purely on hair style.

But the standard measurement for all people is stand up straight and take off your shoes or boots and the measurement is the top of your head, not hair.

 

[adamsapple]

Rebuke satan and rebuke his big red thorny cock.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I had to google this to see if it’s true. Got to say lucifer is a pretty good looking guy after all!

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I had to google this to see if it’s true. Got to say lucifer is a pretty good looking guy after all!

Makes sense since he has to be good looking to deceive people lol.

 

[VideoGameEnjoyer]

I’d be perfectly fine if pancake and air conditioner were available gender options.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Yeah ok.


Inclusive with who? Sorry but imo there's just men and women.

If someone wants to feel like a fluid genderbending machine then go ahead, their lifes their rules, but I don't think every game needs to cater to those.

Plus, just me, but I think all that stuff about needed to feel "included" or "represented" in every piece of media is the lamest shit ever. I'm from Spain, been playing games for 30 years now and not even once did I think "oh shit I would enjoy this game so much more if the protag looked like me!". For me all this reeks of insecurity.

You nailed it. It is all about insecurity. I have put pronouns in my outlook as it is mandated by my workplace. But I would not get upset if a colleague/customer called me (a dude) as she/her. I would assume that this colleague/customer is either mentally disabled or has never seen me and make concessions for the same.

Pronouns are needed for those who do not pass as their self-perceived gender. These are the ultimate snowflakes as just using the wrong pronouns triggers them to no end. To the point that they need this reassurance even in escapist media like games.

 

[MMaRsu]

This.

They act like the victim when they are the one replacing things and pushing evil and crazy shit onto others. Common sense don't apply to them.

'evil'

Bro has lost it.

Pronouns in games are stupid af but evil? Cmon man

 

[FireFly]

I just find it funny how in this very same context if someone said they identify as a martian, or a chicken, or a pancake, it would be different and ascribed to some type of issue within the brain and self. But if someone believes they are the opposite gender of their physical birth, everyone has to not only accept it but change how they speak and behave and the entire world has to be different for their sake.

Would we we be doing the same if all of those people said they were martians, chickens, or pancakes?

I am not sure what it would be like to self identify as a pancake, but a game that allowed you to communicate as a chicken or martian complete with clucking noises/alien language would be interesting. It would be like playing a Malkavian in Bloodlines.

 

[Mephisto40]

Is there an option to switch the pronouns off?

If not, it deserves all the hate it's going to receive

 

[ZehDon]

 

[duck_sauce]

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. They try to change that too but it always has been.

If you look into what is being pushed lately it’s all about not being able to procreate whether it’s gay or trans or “gender affirming care” or to kill your unborn. Add that to most pushing this stuff are satanic pedophiles and you can start seeing why some people call it evil.

Please get professional help.

 

[FunkMiller]

Please get professional help.

He’s getting it from his priest/molester.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Wasn't Outer Worlds also woke af? I got it for free from Epic but won't play. Obisidan is cooked.

It was, I'm still laughing at how the game didn't have a single attractive female character and how majority of them had short hair. Plus no romance for you, but you can help Parvati with her lesbian problems.

 

[PeteBull]

Hot lucifer? We got that already

Watched whole series and loved it, and im christian catholic

 

[TwoHearted]

I don't really think people care about the pronouns being in games. I think it's more so the toxic forced woke agenda that comes with it people are rejecting. If that didn't exist nobody would give a shit about pronouns.

 

[MacReady13]

I don't really think people care about the pronouns being in games. I think it's more so the toxic forced woke agenda that comes with it people are rejecting. If that didn't exist nobody would give a shit about pronouns.

No, I care about pronouns. I hate them in gaming. I hate them in real life. I don’t need to see your pronouns to know you’re either male or female. I don’t care for that shit and I don’t want it- ANY of it either in gaming or in life. It’s just more woke bullshit and it can fuck right off.

 

[GymWolf]

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if KC2 destroys all of them

Kc2 destroyimg wilds? In what alternative universe?

I'm not even sure if it's gonna be able to destroy shadows...

 

[Little Chicken]

Satanic pedos, wow Avowed has it all!

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

Is there an option to switch the pronouns off?

If not, it deserves all the hate it's going to receive

This!

Although I despise current day I would at least still buy the games if I simply had a toggle to switch it all off.

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

Exactly.

Things like male and female classifications aren’t done to piss people off. But like any metric it’s simply a standard way of grouping and describing people without subjective feelings or changes.

For example, how tall is someone? I’m 6 ft. But technically if I crouch I might be 4 ft, 6 ft 2 if I go on my tippy toes and if I jump and stretch my arms out maybe I can hit 10 ft touching a basketball rim. If I had big hair I could add another few inches too purely on hair style.

But the standard measurement for all people is stand up straight and take off your shoes or boots and the measurement is the top of your head, not hair.

Don't give them ideas, soon gender will encompass all things and we will have to accept whatever someone else thinks they are as absolute biological reality. Insecurity sure is a powerful motivator for some.

 

[Chechack]

I haven’t seen anything either. If it’s not being brought up in the writing and only relegated to a character screen then I’m not bothered.

Everyone thought the same with Dragon Age,it wasnt shown in any preview or what
Then after the game launched lo and behold,ur forced to do a barve.
But too late for you to return the game as u have already purchased it

 

[Humdinger]

No, I care about pronouns. I hate them in gaming. I hate them in real life. I don’t need to see your pronouns to know you’re either male or female. I don’t care for that shit and I don’t want it- ANY of it either in gaming or in life. It’s just more woke bullshit and it can fuck right off.

My position is that if you need me to tell you my pronouns - if you can't tell I'm a he or she just by looking at me or reading my name - then you're too stupid for me to talk to. ;p

 

[pasterpl]

14 pages about pronouns visible when you look at player/inventory screen.