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Two men killed in Tesla 'without driver in seat'
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Airola
Member
About a week ago we had a faulty portable bike lamp. My gf bought it and got some batteries. The lamp didn't work and when she took the batteries out she noticed they were really hot.
I tested it too. Put the batteries in, didn't turn the lamp on but waited some maybe 5-10 seconds and I started to notice the batteries get warmer.
We decided to try other batteries to see if it's the batteries' or the lamp's fault.
I put other set of batteries in. Waited a moment, and started to notice them warming again.
I waited a few seconds more and suddenly they were so hot it really hurt to touch. It was like putting a finger on a hot stove!
It was so hot that as a pure pain reaction I threw the lamp on the bed and for a moment was actually afraid the bed would burn, but we managed to get the batteries out and everything ended up fine.
It's insane how much energy even regular batteries hold and how damn HOT they can become. And they can become hot even if the item isn't on!
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Great Hair
Banned
1kw equals roughly 10L of diesel (heat energy). So an EV car with 70kw? will burn for a long time.
Why Tesla's electric cars can burn hours after a crash
Just like gas cars, electric cars can burst into flames after a crash.
mashable.com
Prison Mike
Banned
GHG
Member
It sounds like one person was in the back seat and the other was in the front passenger seat.
The person in the front passenger seat was likely responsible as they would have been the only person in close enough proximity to the drivers seat to be able to spoof the car into activating autopilot without somebody being strapped in to the drivers seat.
Prison Mike
Banned
Soodanim
Gold Member
Is this a random screenshot or a discussion about this situation?
Alx
Member
V4skunk
Banned
Lithium battery's are 100% dangerous. As soon as the inners of the battery is exposed to air it will burn.
Go research some of the horror stories of exploding vibrators and phones, people have died...
And yes lithium battery's are almost impossible to recycle properly and is very demanding energy wise to do so.
Startup Develops Eco-Friendly Process to Recycle Lithium-Ion EV Batteries
“Electric vehicles are back on track.”
observer.com
Lithium battery's are 100% dangerous. As soon as the inners of the battery is exposed to air it will burn.
Go research some of the horror stories of exploding vibrators and phones, people have died...
And yes lithium battery's are almost impossible to recycle properly and is very demanding energy wise to do so.
Startup Develops Eco-Friendly Process to Recycle Lithium-Ion EV Batteries
“Electric vehicles are back on track.”
:O
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Paul Walker's non lithium $600K+ Carrera GTPeople happy to have napalm in their car, what a time to be (burned) alive
It's not exclusive to EUV.
GymWolf
Member
Paul Walker's non lithium $600K+ Carrera GT
It's not exclusive to EUV.
Ballthyrm
Member
So the idiots can debug it for us. As long as they make the literal sacrifice , i'm okay with it.
Have at it rich people with Tesla.
Make me think of the early days of aviation when it was super dangerous and the rich were lining themselves to board the wooden plane with folding chairs on board
Kenpachii
Member
partime
Member
I'm willing on betting a 6 month BAN that Autopilot / FSD was not enabled. How about you?
partime
Member
You seriously need a source, dude just look at his twitter feed, and yes this is completely relevant to this discussion without my input.
Soodanim
Gold Member
The incomplete screenshot could have been either because it had no context from a full screenshot or you saying anything, and if it was an old conversation it would meant spending an unknown amount of time scrolling through his reply feed to find the relevant tweet to find what the context was. It was easier to ask you to clarify than to scroll through, given that you knew the answer already.
Tweet links auto-embed, if that helps in future.
The Hamburglar
Banned
First Ryan Dunn. Now these guys.
Self driving cars are a mistake as long as humans are on the road. Combining humans and ai will be stupid in the near future.
We need full minority report cars.
Self driving cars are a mistake as long as humans are on the road. Combining humans and ai will be stupid in the near future.
We need full minority report cars.
SLB1904
Banned
people with a half-brain know that roads are unpredictable.
probably doing some tick tick shit
Torrent of Pork
Banned
We should be seeing solid state batteries in electric vehicles hopefully by 2025, SSB's are going to change the world as much as Li-Ions did.
macfoshizzle
Member
the autopilot was not engaged guys.. call me crazy, but it looks like a assassination to me.
HoodWinked
Member
GHG
Member
Maybe these numbskulls should buy cars that are more enjoyable and engaging to actually drive instead of buying these cult cars with zero driving dynamics.
If I'm in a car that I'd rather not actually drive then I've bought the wrong fucking car.
Arkam
Member
E-Cat
Member
According to Musk, telemetry says AP was not engaged at the time of the crash. Furthermore, the road had no lane markings, meaning AP could not be turned on in that environment.
michaelius
Banned
Well in case of Tesla i wouldn't assume anything about safety
E-Cat
Member
Assume thisWell in case of Tesla i wouldn't assume anything about safety
partime
Member
Assume this
https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
"In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged.
...
By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles."
Mistershine.
Banned
partime
Member
All in all, I do agree that Tesla needs to enable their interior camera when AP is engaged ASAP.
There's an option in the menu for them to upload the internal camera footage if you get into an accident, but it's optional and should be mandatory, at least in the US. All Tesla models now come with internal cameras I believe, but older Model S & X's (2021 unfortunately) do not have it.
Footage of interior camera:
Tricking Tesla camera, what it sees:
There's an option in the menu for them to upload the internal camera footage if you get into an accident, but it's optional and should be mandatory, at least in the US. All Tesla models now come with internal cameras I believe, but older Model S & X's (2021 unfortunately) do not have it.
Footage of interior camera:
Tricking Tesla camera, what it sees:
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I think this is an unfortunate but inevitable consequence of an emerging technology where kinetic forces and humans are in close proximity.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
There is going to be some crazy shit happening around automated driving. Looking for lanes? Wait until people troll with fake lane lines/markers, alter road speed signs or generally just hack into a car or discovery exploitable glitches. It's going to be the wild west, I think you'd have to be nuts to fully trust self driving cars so early on.
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GHG
Member
Tesla just released a few more details about this on their earnings call (still ongoing now).
One of the headlines is that the crash happened at just 30mph according to the data they have and they also still believe there was a person in the drivers seat when the accident happened.
Lots of things don't add up about this.
One of the headlines is that the crash happened at just 30mph according to the data they have and they also still believe there was a person in the drivers seat when the accident happened.
Lots of things don't add up about this.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
So more than likely no seat belts and they just got thrown around.