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What an amazing fucking show, from start to finish.
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The Penguin | 2024 Drama on MAX ("...do you know my reputation?")
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Little Mac
Gold Member
So was it a good season finale? Heard good things about the show but have been waiting for it to finish before subbing.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Couldn’t have had a better ending. I knew it had to be coming, but it still hit so fucking well when it did.
It’s not just a call, it’s a warning…
They’d be fucking dumb as shit to try any other Batman universe than this one. This show has elevated the whole damn thing far above anything else being made right now in comic movies and TV.
It’s not just a call, it’s a warning…
They’d be fucking dumb as shit to try any other Batman universe than this one. This show has elevated the whole damn thing far above anything else being made right now in comic movies and TV.
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DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
Damn this show is good. I expected the ending but it really got me in the feels.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Finale was amazing.
I really don’t care Batman didn’t show up. Don’t really find it hard to believe there may be a reason. And the show ends like 24 hours after that bomb went off that’s probably the only event that would fully interest Batman anyways. Even Sofia’s family getting merc’d, why would he care?
I really don’t care Batman didn’t show up. Don’t really find it hard to believe there may be a reason. And the show ends like 24 hours after that bomb went off that’s probably the only event that would fully interest Batman anyways. Even Sofia’s family getting merc’d, why would he care?
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I've been critical of the lack of explanation for Batman's absence... but the ending was so damned perfect (and frankly what I was expecting and hoping for) that I can quite happily let it slide. I would still have liked a clear nod to why he didn't get involved (a tv report stating that The Batman has been seen all over the city dealing with the fallout from the flooding, for instance) but the assumption of that will have to do.
The show HAD to end with Oz thinking he's on top of the world, but with everyone else knowing that he's absolutely fucking NOT.
We'll now go into the movie with everybody wanting to see Bats absolutely pummel that fat piece of shit.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yeah that's what I thought too
FunkMiller
Gold Member
FunkMiller
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Zephyranthes
Member
I think you could read it that way, or it could be just an insane obsession with his mother's affection and approval. It's highly messed up no matter how you categorize it, and either way it drives home the point that there is something profoundly wrong with Oz.
Superkewl
Member
It was pretty good, but don't think it was as great as some of you guys are going on about. I would give it a 8/10.
If they were smart, they would just end the show there...one and done. Go out on a high note, but you know fuckin' hollywood...as long as it's successful, they'll keep trying to milk the shit out of it till they run it in to the ground.
If they were smart, they would just end the show there...one and done. Go out on a high note, but you know fuckin' hollywood...as long as it's successful, they'll keep trying to milk the shit out of it till they run it in to the ground.
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John Bilbo
Member
I wouldn't oppose to another season maybe after the second The Batman film.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I actually don't think so. Matt Reeves said this:
There's going to be other shows, but I don't think Penguin season 2 is all that likely, especially as we're now going into The Batman Part 2, which will also feature Oz. I think they'll likely want to concentrate on a different villain who gets introduced in film two.
RaptorGTA
Member
Ozwald had that toward his mother but I do not think anything occurred. I don't think his mother would have allowed anything. A feel the theme is, the things that Ozwald desires, he never truly gets.
Overall, I loved it. The acting by all parties was awesome. Loved the cinematography. A solid 8/10 and would totally recommend.
Revolutionary
Member
Said this earlier in the thread but Cristin Milioti elevated the show to another level, making it the best live-action comic book show I've seen. Leagues above MCU and CW crap.
Colin Farrell was great as well, of course... but Milioti was just an amazing Sofia Falcone. 10/10 performance
Colin Farrell was great as well, of course... but Milioti was just an amazing Sofia Falcone. 10/10 performance
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Well Pemguin having the DA or whatever on his side will probably factor into everything. Perhaps Penguin is threatened by Batman or beat up or something and they go witn it he “Batman is now wanted by the cops” kinda storyline.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
If they are going to do Court Of Owls, Penguin could and would act as a real spoiler to their plans. Reeves gives the impression that the entire saga is going to be about who really controls Gotham, and having multiple factors at play would work very well. I kinda hope they don't do Batman wanted by the cops again, as that was pretty well covered in Dark Knight Rises. I'm most interested in seeing how he comes up against corruption and deals with it, and how many layers of it he has to peel back over the course of the three films.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I was so happy when Oz Batmanned her instead of killing her. I really want to see that character back at some point... although she'll dominate anything they choose to do with her and Zoe Kravitz.
March Climber
Member
Great show. A-level rating for me and once again HBO continues to stand neck and neck with FX in the fight for the TV show throne.
The one tiny thing I would have changed is the Penguin getting captured yet again -> Penguin finding his way out of the situation yet again. They pulled this card one too many times and the final time it felt a bit awkward in execution(after a very emontionally heavy scene).
I don’t know how you would redo that moment so that the very important interaction still happens, so I would simply undo one of the previous ones.
This IGN reviewer made me nervous for no reason at all. Based on his tweet I kept waiting and dreading for the rug pull, the other shoe to drop, etc. but it simply never happened and the show remained consistently great.
The only reason I can think of why he insisted on saying ‘wait until the end and you’ll understand’ is probably because he doesn’t like media where a villain wins and remains a villain instead of a lovable antihero. If so, I hope one day reviewers and hollywood themselves will re-learn that no one cares about any of that. They just want well written stories and well made films/TV.
Some of my favorite media has been about villains vs villains, because then creatives can simply let loose without worrying about killing off certain characters. Mob/gang drama happens to be the best way to check that box.
The one tiny thing I would have changed is the Penguin getting captured yet again -> Penguin finding his way out of the situation yet again. They pulled this card one too many times and the final time it felt a bit awkward in execution(after a very emontionally heavy scene).
I don’t know how you would redo that moment so that the very important interaction still happens, so I would simply undo one of the previous ones.
This IGN reviewer made me nervous for no reason at all. Based on his tweet I kept waiting and dreading for the rug pull, the other shoe to drop, etc. but it simply never happened and the show remained consistently great.
The only reason I can think of why he insisted on saying ‘wait until the end and you’ll understand’ is probably because he doesn’t like media where a villain wins and remains a villain instead of a lovable antihero. If so, I hope one day reviewers and hollywood themselves will re-learn that no one cares about any of that. They just want well written stories and well made films/TV.
Some of my favorite media has been about villains vs villains, because then creatives can simply let loose without worrying about killing off certain characters. Mob/gang drama happens to be the best way to check that box.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I haven't seen this show yet (I'll get round to it), but isn't it interesting how they altered his name to just Oswald Cobb rather than the actual name of Cobblepot.
You know who else shares the same name in the comics? William Cobb, AKA Talon from the Court of Owls.
Also interesting how they were hinting at the Court in the first film and the cast were dropping major hints that the Court will feature in future films.
I'd be shocked if the Court of Owls aren't the main antagonists in the second film.
You know who else shares the same name in the comics? William Cobb, AKA Talon from the Court of Owls.
Also interesting how they were hinting at the Court in the first film and the cast were dropping major hints that the Court will feature in future films.
I'd be shocked if the Court of Owls aren't the main antagonists in the second film.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah I’m not a big fan of “hero is now wanted by the cops” it’s a bit overdone.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
Loved it. I think its the best series based on a superhero show ever. I was hooked from start to finish. Colin should get an oscar or whatever for this.
Mossybrew
Gold Member
Right? There were hints along the way that they kind of wanted you to sympathize with Penguin, but by the end you know he's just an irredeemable bastard. Really hope we see him get his comeuppance in the next movie.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I hope Bruce Wayne eventually does the beatdown on him especially for Victor murder. Guy is a pure Sociopath. I'm glad they are going into how each of the Batman Villains represent a mental disorder
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
To use wrestling parlance, this series has done an amazing job of putting the heel over, which means it's going to be even sweeter when the babyface fucks him into next week.
I genuinely think this show has added a good hundred million dollars plus to the profits of The Batman Part 2. It's made a whole lot of people far more excited for the second movie.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I haven't seen it yet, but the praise the show is getting here is really making me hyped up for Batman Part 2. I'm 100% going to start it this week
Also, is this screen shot from the show real? If so, it's really on the nose on where Part 2 is heading. Not that I mind, because I'm a massive fan of Snyder's New 52 Batman run.
It's in a court house with drapes shaped like owls
FunkMiller
Gold Member
No, no. It's much more important that we get James Gunn's attempt at kickstarting yet another fucking greed fuelled shared cinematic universe, instead of having the next chapter in the only actual franchise Warner Bros have had any success with whatsoever in recent years. I don't believe for one rosey fucking second that it got delayed a year because of the writer's strike.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Yep. It's real. Although it feels like something that could very easily be just a coincidence. However, I think The Court Of Owls fits perfectly into Reeves's vision for an epic crime saga that explores the roots of corruption in Gotham, so I'm more than up for seeing Talon at some point.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
it could be, but to my eyes those are owls. I can't unsee it! Also, they changed the Penguin's surname to Cobb, which could be another hint.
Same. They would make the perfect antagonists for the next film. I know people have mentioned Mr Freeze, but I don't see how he works in this universe created by Reeves.
I need to sign up to.Now TV this weekend and watch this show.
DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
Replacing Colin with Lizzo.
Shadowplay1979
Member
What an incredible show. Batman didnt need show up, plenty of other crime hes out there taking care of. Also, for all we know he did show up and take notes, hes batman , we wouldn't know it if hes in the shadows.
but finally finally finally.....they made a villain a villain, they started to dip into the "poor childhood boohoo sympathy villain" that every boring post modern deconstruction story has to do......but nope. Once the brothers backstory rolls around, hes just a horrible cunt. His bothers seemed like great kids, he was a smart kid that knew the repercussions of what he was doing even at a young age. I hope batman beats the shit out of him and then he learns what its like to be locked in prison. Its amazing how sofia was the villain and you were rooting for penguin until the script flips, great writing. I knew the top hat and suit was coming once he made the deal in the courthouse. Would have liked to have seen the umbrella.
As for Cobb....i wouldnt be suprised if he takes up cobblepot to build his legacy and push himself away from old life even further.
I want to see more villains ...but NO JOKER, jokers the one we dont need an origin with ever....and no outside the batman mythos DC superhero junk or magic. Lets see some of the weirder villains...Szasz,Calender man, mad hatter
but finally finally finally.....they made a villain a villain, they started to dip into the "poor childhood boohoo sympathy villain" that every boring post modern deconstruction story has to do......but nope. Once the brothers backstory rolls around, hes just a horrible cunt. His bothers seemed like great kids, he was a smart kid that knew the repercussions of what he was doing even at a young age. I hope batman beats the shit out of him and then he learns what its like to be locked in prison. Its amazing how sofia was the villain and you were rooting for penguin until the script flips, great writing. I knew the top hat and suit was coming once he made the deal in the courthouse. Would have liked to have seen the umbrella.
As for Cobb....i wouldnt be suprised if he takes up cobblepot to build his legacy and push himself away from old life even further.
I want to see more villains ...but NO JOKER, jokers the one we dont need an origin with ever....and no outside the batman mythos DC superhero junk or magic. Lets see some of the weirder villains...Szasz,Calender man, mad hatter
Toons
Member
Im down for more comic style swashbuckling batman.
Hes a character that can historicslly do both. I'll happily enjoy both.
As a hyper realistic ultra gritty version tho this is about as good as it gets.
Toons
Member
He ends up having the girl he was sleeping with dressed up as his mother and saying stuff he wanted his mother to say to him so ... yeah definitely an oedipus complex is being implied or at least hinted at. I was seeing signs from the beginning
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I don't think the audience is. We've had years of superhero movies. A comic style Batman isn't going to go down all that well with an audience that's getting pretty tired of superhero movies (other than the ones that take the piss out of the entire genre like D&W). It's a mistake for WB to jeopardise what they've got with Reeves's Batman by introducing yet another Batman into the mix - especially one part of yet another stupid 'shared cinematic universe'.
I will never not be of the opinion that WB should double down on creating separate, unique universes for each of their characters - in the exact way Reeves has done here. The Penguin seems universally loved - largely because it as able to exist as its own entity. WB failed to capitalise on and copy the hugely successful formula they had with The Dark Knight movies. They'd be idiots to repeat the same mistake now - but they will, because greed.
Toons
Member
We've had grim and gritty cbms before too. The dark knight trilogy set up dcs entire direction for the nest 15 years. The problem was Snyder is no Nolan and the tone didn't fit every character. Execution is always more important. And frankly I dint think audiences are ever going to completely tire of CBMs. We've been getting them for 30 years now pretty steadily and they can still turn a profit if they don't cost 300 million dollars to make.
Were definitely past the peak of the 2010s. But the genre still captivates audience attention. I suppose this superman film will determine what happens, but you simply can't do a superman like this Reeves stuff. Just doesn't work on a fundamental level
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Exactly. It's mediocre movie fatigue... Not comic book movie fatigue. If the movies are great, they'll make bank. If they aren't, they won't. WW84, Flash, Aquaman 2, SHAZAM 2, Blue Beetle and Black Adam... Most people didn't like them even though, IMO, BB was the best of the bunch.
They didn't review well at all. Or at least not as well as something like Endgame
I trust Gunn. He's a fan and he's got a clear vision. Unlike WB who didn't with all the movies that went nowhere (outside of what Snyder did, whether you liked his movies or not), Gunn has an overall arc for the movies. More connected than what was in the former DCEU.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Absolutely agree with that. My point is to let these characters exist in their own individual universes, instead of chasing the fucking stupid shared universe concept again.
Reeves's Batman and Gunn's Superman as the main franchises, with others following along in their wake. But all individual universes that are allowed to explore different tones, themes and stories, without having to be part of some bullshit over-arching plot that only exists to (once again) try to copy the money making machine of the MCU (which has hit problems of its own).
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GateofD
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IGN reviewers don't know what they're doing.
Saw it coming, but man, still hurts. Penguin the title character of course was great, but man, having an actual real character story as well with Sofia was good. So many series in so few episodes manage to fully tell one story.
The last scene with the Mom and the dance was whew. I was actually afraid that
Saw it coming, but man, still hurts. Penguin the title character of course was great, but man, having an actual real character story as well with Sofia was good. So many series in so few episodes manage to fully tell one story.
The last scene with the Mom and the dance was whew. I was actually afraid that
that Penguin found out the prostitute gave out a hint and was gonna kill her too.
And now the Mom is a vegetable, and has to suffer trapped and Penguin of course didn't follow through on the promise to let her die with diginity
And now the Mom is a vegetable, and has to suffer trapped and Penguin of course didn't follow through on the promise to let her die with diginity
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Ocean Dweller
Member
What timeline is this in? Wouldn’t Batman be around to stop penguin and clean up crime?
FunkMiller
Gold Member
They should have at least thrown a line in somewhere about Batman being busy. It really did stick out like a sore thumb that he wasn't even mentioned. A rather silly omission in an otherwise nigh-on perfect series.
"Eye witnesses report the involvement of the Batman vigilante at many of the scenes of devastation caused by the flooding of Gotham".
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
I had ZERO interest in this and don't give a shit about comic book stuff nor Batman. My girlfriend talked me into giving it a chance and damn...this show was great. It's dark, sleazy and pulpy as hell.
Sofia was an absolute highlight of a character and the last episode really went down an absolute gutter of darkness. I was impressed!
PS: I loved Victor. That was incredibly cruel, damn.
Sofia was an absolute highlight of a character and the last episode really went down an absolute gutter of darkness. I was impressed!
PS: I loved Victor. That was incredibly cruel, damn.