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Switch 2 battery to last 4 hours and why AMD lost out
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Klosshufvud
Member
Do you really want me to post those Rog Ally X battery life benchmarks?
I mean interms of hardware and there's nothing stopping Nintendo from using the those features with their own spin on it.
Cyberpunkd
Member
5 Watts is pathetic for everyone that saw the graphic settings vs. power draw on Steamdeck or ROG Ally. Another reason this will be thrash to play Nintendo IPs only.
FFS, nowadays there is a power outlet everywhere - trains, planes, etc.
FFS, nowadays there is a power outlet everywhere - trains, planes, etc.
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If real - 5W TDP for the SOC pretty much guarantees this will not be competitive with PC handhelds of last year, let alone anything coming out next year.
You can always undervolt and underclock
Zacfoldor
Member
With what they did on Switch 1 hardware, I can't wait to see them cook with this thing. With how like Portal Collection and Metroid Prime looked on Switch 1, what are we even talking about. We WILL see some magic on this thing and it won't just come form Nintendo. Handheld will always be a place where efficiency shines.
You would have a point if this wasn't a direct upgrade from Switch 1, which is ancient by any standard and still could drop goty bangers.
Klosshufvud
Member
With higher wattage comes not only demand for a bigger battery, which costs more, but also bigger fans, which also cost more. And with bigger fans and bigger battery comes a larger device, which also costs more. And may also exclude Nintendo's main demographic - 7-14 year olds.
ResilientBanana
Member
4 hours on handheld for gaming seems about right. For kids under 18 this might be a problem, but for grown adults, not surrounded by mountain dew bottles and cigarette ash with lives, jobs, and family, this is a solid amount of time if you can find it.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Do you own a Steamdeck or ROG Ally? If not check YouTube videos - power draw of 25W will give you 90-120 minutes of game time on a Steamdeck, more on Ally X. So stop the BS. If Nintendo really wanted 5W operation it’s pathetic, no other way to put it.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
the switch 2 is sounding more just like a remaster of switch 1.
finalflame
Banned
Just say you have no idea what you're talking about.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Steam Deck is currently the low power king. So not sure what you're on about.
Zacfoldor
Member
Incorrect. Nintendo cares about keeping costs low and decent battery life.
Do you own a Steamdeck or ROG Ally? If not check YouTube videos - power draw of 25W will give you 90-120 minutes of game time on a Steamdeck, more on Ally X. So stop the BS. If Nintendo really wanted 5W operation it’s pathetic, no other way to put it.
Nintendo Switch is out now. So is steam deck and ROG Ally. Switch still outsells the other shit you are talking about by 1000 to 1 because of the above and also because of Nintendo software and branding. This will continue and so will Switch 2.
While you may care about only power and are okay with 90 minutes of battery life to squeeze extra resolution on your unoptimized PC games, Nintendo knows exactly what they are doing whether you agree with them or not. If they listened to you they would go broke my brother. You know this.
Klosshufvud
Member
I'd like to see how this info was collected. Because I'm sure I saw one before that used Nintendo's own online system as a source. Which is obviously not representative at all to the average user. Regardless, Nintendo will ALWAYS be a kid friendly company. You're delusional if you think they even look at Steam Deck or Rog Ally when creating Switch 2. Their priorities will be to keep it light, to keep it cool, to keep it small and to keep it cheap.
Just say you have no idea what you're talking about.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Switch is 2017 hardware situation, aka ancient times. Do not apply the same measure to what is happening now.
Nintendo cares about keeping costs low to protect their profit margins, nothing to do with consumer. Yes, you are getting an underpowered hardware where you cannot even change the wattage and settings because according to Nintendo you are to fucking stupid to do it.
PaintTinJr
Member
That....and I suspect much like Sony and Google, etc being in no rush to push their phone charging beyond 30watts, towards far more potentially dangerous levels of 150watt that phone reviewers only see as a positive on random brands, I would think Nintendo's attitude on too much power use, and too much battery capacity in a device being 50% targeted at young kids will also factor into things.
Nydius
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Your benchmarks for the Switch are a collection of slightly updated X360/PS3 games and a remaster of a GameCube game? No offense but those are some very low standards.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
This, obviously. Also to keep it from being $450 or $500 at launch. Nintendo wants to hit $399 guaranteed.
Ah! The ole switcheroo, Nintendo are clever making the same console twice with minimal effort and maximum profit.
amigastar
Member
I've read somewhere it will only have DLSS 3 but i'm not sure about that. Would be nice if it has at least 3.5
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I think they're talking about the power consumption of the APU. The 9W figure is the total system power consumption at max screen brightness.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
nope clirkbait i am known for my predicitions
HogIsland
Member
Good to see people are coming back to earth on Switch 2 performance. Not only is it Nintendo's MO to put out under-powered hardware, it's actually preferable for their purposes. It'll keep the price down, the design slim/manageable and superior battery life. These things have to be sturdy enough to give to 5 year olds. Steam Deck, Ally, etc are for older players.
alucard0712_rus
Banned
I will buy it day 1.
Haint
Member
I'm the first to shit on AMD and champion Nvidia as vastly superior, but there ain't no way a 5 year old T239 design on a larger node is "performing the same" as a Z1 derivative outside of some ultra low power 5W mode the AMD chips aren't designed to run at. AMD's Radeon arm is incompetent, but they're not that incompetent.
kevboard
Member
the T239 when using its full clock speeds has about the same GPU power as AMD Strix Point.
CPU is hard to compare due to ARM vs X64.
so yes. AMD is that incompetent. Nvidia's APUs are only held back by the fact that they don't have an X86 license
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Esparadrapo
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The math is wrong here. If you have a 5W SoC you still need another 2~5W for the rest of the system depending on the cooling solution, screen brightness and such. So a 20Wh battery wouldn't last 4 hours, it would be 3 hours tops.
vaibhavpisal
Member
This is gonna disappoint those with low expectations.
LordOcidax
Member
I call this news BS, Nintendo and Nvidia are in contract for 10 years and that is public information… Clickbait news.
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SplunkyMunkey
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Nintendo probably could of gotten away with the high price they could of used ryzen extreme Z2. Be the first console/handheld based to have a 12 core processor with 16 compute units despite the low cu with having rdna 3.5 possibly fsr 4 ai upscaler this would probably beat series s and give ps5 a run for it's money
Reizo Ryuu
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low power for handheld was to be expected, but hopefully it means docked it can pull much more, like 20-30w, otherwise this is just going to be a "switch pro" instead of a switch 2.
To my understanding, MLID will usually get one legit scoop a year.
But the dude pumps out multiple videos a week so you'd have to watch at least 180 MLID videos to get that one scoop an hour ahead before the rest of us.
Shake Your Rump
Member
"The way you manufacture a Switch 2 is you take two Switches and duct tape."
It really is. My main TV is a Sony A95K, but I often prefer to play handheld simply because the screen is the perfect size and image quality is immaculate. It will be a step down to regular LCD unless Nintendo has some magic trick.
What is the original switches APU power draw? That would be an excellent basis to even discuss this, right? Just spitballing, but if the OG switch was the same 5w, on a larger process which was 20nm(if I recall correctly) wouldn't the same 5w be better put to use on an 8, or even 5nm process? Or, way more efficient in performance?
alucard0712_rus
Banned
For OG Switch that's about 8-9w in handheld mode. 11-12w docked.
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See, that's what I thought(although for more intensive games like TOTK it was reported that the switch in docked mode would peak at around 16w).
So the question becomes;
Why would Nintendo limit the switch 2 at 5w in handheld mode, when it was much higher on the OG switch?
Unless of course this report is either BS, or half the story.
AngelMuffin
Member
Except it has something no one else does…1st Party Nintendo Games, which is the #1 reason to own a Switch in the first place.
Minsc
Gold Member
It'll also be nVidia which all the big bad PC gurus drool over. 5090... 5080... 5070... give me more. So that's something.
LordOcidax
Member
This news is BS, AMD never was in the equation for the Switch 2, and we know that for years by official sources.