E-Cat
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Square Enix's stock falls by 30%
- Thread starter Kurotri
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K2D
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Yes I believe Sony wanted a PS1 FF7 situation, but we haven't seen the contract and I don't think Sony are that worried about PC any longer. 6 months for PS dev assistance?
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Well again, it would be a different scenario if they went multiplatform where they wouldn't get the same support from Sony and probably wouldn't release on Switch 1 at all..
Xbox.. I've only heard reports on how FF-sales on Xbox 360 compared PS3, and those were days where main stream users were more spread out between the two platforms. 360 was ahead on consoles sold for a couple of years. FFXIII on PS3 outsold 360 2:1. Compare that to today where Xbox is synonymous with gamepass, and copies sold (I predict) are maybe even lower due to this a la carte service.
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Lower than 2:1 because of sensibilities between the console adopters.
Lower still due to gamepass.
Lower even than that due to install base - are we guessing 2:1 or 1.5:1?
So I'm guessing maybe 500 to 700 K tops for remake, maybe the same for 16..?
I see pc selling the same as Xbox, or a little more seeing their attention or lack there of to the pc port.
Hell.. There are even OG 7 fans proclaiming they won't play 7 remake until they're all bundled or until part 3 is out. Pc will still be in 2028 (or when SE are thinking)..
I could see 7 remake and 16 doing quite well on Switch 2 also. But I think square has spread out pretty thinly lately, as we can see with their numerous releases the latest year. Will probably see a big splash with Switch 2. Maybe not part 2 for a while.. I can see a lot of smaller switch 2 ports in steady supply doing quite well.
Rebirth will do very well I think. Lots of fence sitters opting in as the story really takes off..
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FalsettoVibe
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Bloomberg writer with who constantly spins any SE/Sony news to make it appear as negative as possible. Makes bad assumptions and adds his own (or maybe not his own...he could be getting a check by an outside entity) opinion into his story pieces.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Exactly!! I don’t know why it seems like so many people don’t know about this.
graywolf323
Member
he even had that one article regarding PlayStation recently that resulted in a rather unprecedented smack down from Sony IIRC? usually companies just ignore these things or say no comment but Mochizuki’s article was so bad they went as far as to flat out refute it
fake edit: it was about PSVR 2 production being cut
Sony: We have not cut PSVR 2 production numbers
PS VR2 shipment numbers remain the same, Sony says
www.gamesindustry.biz
nial
Member
Nier is from the Enix part tho.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Correct. Also the massive amount of shovelware and mid games they've released the past few years.
They need to reign in all the trash and focus all these resources on making a smaller amount of very high quality games.
iQuasarLV
Member
I guess I am going to play Devil's Advocate, but wouldn't "Forecasted" and "Production" number reductions are completely different. Some people read that article wrong to be honest.he even had that one article regarding PlayStation recently that resulted in a rather unprecedented smack down from Sony IIRC? usually companies just ignore these things or say no comment but Mochizuki’s article was so bad they went as far as to flat out refute it
fake edit: it was about PSVR 2 production being cut
Sony: We have not cut PSVR 2 production numbers
PS VR2 shipment numbers remain the same, Sony says
ByWatterson
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Given that FFXVI met mid-level expectations - games that do poorly don't get TWO paid DLCs, come on, guys - and got a bag from Sony, this seems entirely attributable to Forspoken (which was a true, expensive bust) and their frivolous pursuit of NFTs.
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RickMasters
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This. We hear it from them with every game. Even when they sell a million plus.
As for being exclusive Ibguess they count on their fans all being on PlayStation. They only have themselves to blame when they don’t make their games available to everybody. I know I was looking forward to octopath two, as I played the first one on Xbox. I know I have all the final fantasy games on Xbox yet they won’t sell me Xbox versions of pixel remaster, or the FF7 remake. Games which I will readily buy right now if they were on Xbox. I’m not sorry for them. They didn’t want my money. They didn’t want me to play their games on my console of choice. So good luck to them.
Matsuchezz
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The exception to the rule, but, hey that is my taste not the universal truth!
Matsuchezz
Member
I do not like the aesthetics, and by now they are old ass games. I probably will never try them.
Hudo
Member
The Dragon Quest games are old? DQ12 is in production as we speak (along other games). And these are firmly managed from the Enix side.
Matsuchezz
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Yeah, I know there are DQ games that are recent or are in production, and since you weren't specific on the DQ release I assumed that you meant the first game. Anyway that is just my pov. I do not like Enix games. I own Nier btw. I have yet to start it.
-Zelda-
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to be honest, I don't really know. Seems like lots of collabs. Still, I want a new console game from him since I am going throw a Yoko Taro withdraw.
Mercador
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Yeah me too. No way I'll purchase a console for only one game.
theclaw135
Banned
It would, if the combat mechanics derive from the cherished trio of FF4, FF6, and FF7.
The polarizing response to FF8 is primarily to blame for Square's confused approach all these years.
K2D
Banned
I would take a current generation FF in the vein of 6/7/8/9/10 any day of the week. It's not nostalgia.
The writing is better. The artstyle is better. I liked the music more.. The games had more content.
The turn based is more my style - can't say it's better or worse. To this day I can still play the old Fallout games in isometric turn based gameplay (with bug fixes obviously).
There is no problem iterating on turn-based, and I have no qualms with them mixing it up with action based gameplay occasionally (though I might not partake myself).
Nah, they're chasing trends - graphics and style. And they wanted their games to be more like anime, hence the action oriented sway.
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kiphalfton
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When this thread was posted, I'm sure all the turn-based FF fans were tripping over themselves to post in this thread and say "I told you so" and "FF XVI sucks".
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Suprise, suprise! That Takeshi Bloomberg report on FFXVI sales not meeting Square's expectations was bullshit it seems.
GHG
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Who was wholesale purchasing the shares when they were cheap?
This is the key question.
Go_Ly_Dow
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As of March 2022 FFX+X-2 sales were just short of 21million, so this isn't accurate.I would take a current generation FF in the vein of 6/7/8/9/10 any day of the week. It's not nostalgia.
The writing is better. The artstyle is better. I liked the music more.. The games had more content.
The turn based is more my style - can't say it's better or worse. To this day I can still play the old Fallout games in isometric turn based gameplay (with bug fixes obviously).
There is no problem iterating on turn-based, and I have no qualms with them mixing it up with action based gameplay occasionally (though I might not partake myself).
Nah, they're chasing trends - graphics and style. And they wanted their games to be more like anime, hence the action oriented sway.
FFX is as about as big as FFVII, so they did manage to make an FF game that could stand up to it. It just took the remaster to make that apparent.
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YeulEmeralda
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I don't really care if a FF game is turn based or action. What I dislike is when Square tries to ape a Western TV show.
Stay unapologetically Japanese.
Stay unapologetically Japanese.
drganon
Member
That Takeshi guy is such a disingenuous douche.
K2D
Banned
These look like figures without remaster sales taken into the equation, so good numbers for the sake of argument..
Not every title has recieved a note worthy update like a "remaster".
And FFX "remaster" was imo a rip-off.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
Member
You do realize that both can be true at the same time right?
Kurotri
Member
lmao
welp, I've learned my lesson. I will never post anything with the name of that dumbass attached.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
Member
Yep. XVI was such an obvious attempt at being Western… minus “Kaiju battles”
The article was 100% correct and as time goes by it will be apparent to everyone.
Ff16 had sold 3m copies until the beginning of august and today its total sales are probably no more than 3.01m
Punished Miku
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I've stopped trying to argue it at this point. I guess his other huge sin was pointing out that PSVR2 is not doing great.
I think some people really couldn't handle it if they didn't believe he was an anti-Sony agent spreading all false info, so I just let them have their blanket. I couldn't take the blanket anyway if I wanted.