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Square Enix CEO Takashi Kiryu - Sales of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, Final Fantasy XVI and Foamstars Short of Expectations
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Fabieter
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Yea I like them but they also will be disappointed by the sales if they release their games on every platform. That will mean alot higher expectations. Just doing multiplatform won't cut it for them sadly.
Fabieter
Member
The people who previously bought games play on switch and pc now.
intheinbetween
Member
Sweet Baby has nothing to do with the failure of Forspoken, it was either SE or Sony who asked for them to be involved, but Sweet Baby isn't accountable but Square Enix themselves.
FF XVI was showcased as the second-coming of the greatness of the Final Fantasy series, and honestly it ended up being just another bland entry in the series
FF7 sales were driven because of pandemic and nostalgia. IF SE were smart back then they would've rejected any kind of exclusive since FF7 was back then like a +20 years old IP and many of its players have moved to other platforms other than PS, so it was a matter of time to show an exclusivity deal wouldn't make any sense. SE knows most of their fanbase is already on PS so, why locking the rest of the customers on other platforms away from it? not to mention the EGS deal..
AAA budgets like those have to meet high goals, otherwise they can have a really negative impact on the business.
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CoreyFlawless
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Didn’t stop remake
cireza
Member
All these games smelled like poop from their first reveal. If anything, Square-Enix should be happy that Sony paid for these.
Now back to making good games. Back to something exciting that actually had people wanting to play it.
Example :
Now that's Final Fantasy. Not some Game of Thrones rip-off.
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asdasdasdbb
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FF7 Remake was Sony's idea in the first place. Plus Sony paid a substantial amount.
intheinbetween
Member
Yeah right, probably SE didn't know about their most beloved FF IP, yikes
asdasdasdbb
Member
He said that initial sales were fine.
CoreyFlawless
Member
Once ff7rebirth launch on pc. It will be save some.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Basically Sony paid Square to do the Remake to try to stimulate PS4 sales in Japan.
intheinbetween
Member
Though I understand to some extent that reasoning, let me put it this way. Imagine Sony approached Capcom to develop a remake of Resident Evil 1 (another iconic PS1 IP back in the day which has been ported to every existing platform such as FF VII) exclusively for PS4 "to try to stimulate PS4 sales in Japan", do you think Capcom would've accepted that deal and losing millions of sales for the sake of stimulating PS4 sales in Japan?
Sonik
Member
These fucking imbeciles have been calling all their games short of expectations for years now, it's the reason why they sold their entire Western division for fucking scraps and then decided to "invest" those scraps into Forspoken and NFCs
The company is run by fucking idiots there's no hope here, the mismanagement of this company is epic and the only thing that keeps them afloat is that they still somehow retained some talented dev teams. If they were in the West most of the devs would have bailed out by now
The company is run by fucking idiots there's no hope here, the mismanagement of this company is epic and the only thing that keeps them afloat is that they still somehow retained some talented dev teams. If they were in the West most of the devs would have bailed out by now
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
And it's not because of muh PS exclusivity (especially when taking into account that XVI and VIIR wouldn't exist at the production values they do without it) or whatever. It's the games themselves.
Square Enix Japan has to look to western game design and writing instead of just taking the generic WRPG aesthetics.
Square Enix Japan has to look to western game design and writing instead of just taking the generic WRPG aesthetics.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I don't think it gets made without Sony's money.
Unknown?
Member
Maybe simultaneously on PC and PS5. At 0.8M sold this year, Xbox won't be worth their effort.
Shame.
FF7 OG is my fav game but I can't be bothered to even play through Rebirth (I'm up to Gold Saucer). It's not a bad game, and I will 'force' myself to go back to it. But it just feels like fanfic with excessive bloat, like The Hobbit films
I suspect if they'd just made a single FF Remake game, following the OG, got rid of all the fat- MEGAHIT. But they wanted 3 megahits instead, soo...
FF7 OG is my fav game but I can't be bothered to even play through Rebirth (I'm up to Gold Saucer). It's not a bad game, and I will 'force' myself to go back to it. But it just feels like fanfic with excessive bloat, like The Hobbit films
I suspect if they'd just made a single FF Remake game, following the OG, got rid of all the fat- MEGAHIT. But they wanted 3 megahits instead, soo...
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Why would we want more Western stuff. This is not correct at all.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yeah, I thought FFVII Rebirth was pretty great. The issue was that it’s a sequel that you had to play a previous game and not enough folks picked that up.
They should have done double pack combo for physical version, IMO. I know there was a digital one, but physical copies still sell well especially for JRPGs.
Also no PC day and day release hurt sales, IMO. Not to mention the dumb as shit EGS exclusive for the first game.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Damn, that’s a list of just terrible games.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Guess people can stop trying to downplay all the signs that XVI and Rebirth didn’t meet expectations.
Deerock71
Member
Or...make it HD2D, and complete.
Time to remilk ff9 with a super necessary 10 games partition.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
"People" managed to make everyone on here miserable for years when trying to discuss this series, but they run defense pretty well. You guys can rest now.
Guess people can stop trying to downplay all the signs that XVI and Rebirth didn’t meet expectations.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Well if those games were multiplatform.....you build a fan base for those series. Even if SE sold FF7 Rebirth to 10% of the Xbox install base, it is still 2.5 million copies sold equaling $175 million in sales.
This was obvious to anyone watching the sales for the games. Best Square can do to try and salvage the thing is
Release DLC for Rebirth simultaneous with the PC release. If you can port to Switch 2 at the same time, go ahead. Charge $49.99 for the game (including the DLC) and charge $59.99 for the bundle with FF7 Remake. Lower PS5 price to $49.99 too once PC comes out.
Release DLC for Rebirth simultaneous with the PC release. If you can port to Switch 2 at the same time, go ahead. Charge $49.99 for the game (including the DLC) and charge $59.99 for the bundle with FF7 Remake. Lower PS5 price to $49.99 too once PC comes out.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
JRPG fans might not want to hear it, but it's just a fact. Has Capcom risen from mediocrity by staying "distinctly Japanese"?
Madflavor
Member
Only Square could take an idea guaranteed to make serious bank, and find a way to fuck it up.
- Abandon the Xbox and PC audience you were cultivating after XIII and XV and go exclusive with Playstation.
- Split the game into multiple parts and make people wait 4 years between releases.
- Sell people a Remake, but then pull the rug from under them and reveal it's actually a Sequel/Remake hybrid with multiverse plot threads.
- Deciding to remake FFVII now, instead of the 360/PS3 era which was when the iron was hot to strike. The FF fanbase was much bigger back then.
OuterLimits
Member
Let's be honest. This series is on life support. It isn't attracting many young players for whatever reason. Once us older farts stop gaming much or are drooling in a nursing home, I don't see FF surviving.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I’ve been a FF fanboy since the early 90s and I was totally onboard with the shift to action combat + mature GoT style story.
The problem was that the execution just sucked. As an action game, it sucked because enemies just stand there like training dummies while you cycle through your skills off cooldown chipping away at their health. As a JRPG it sucks because it’s loaded with boring sidequests, boring + lifeless dialog scenes, an empty world with nothing interesting to find, totally pointless crafting system, no interesting choices in character growth/loadout, no choice of party composition , etc etc
Yoshi-P in charge, new mature direction, described as “like Final Fantasy V as an action game”… I was so hyped. It ended up being one of my biggest gaming disappointments ever.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I'm kind of at the point that unless Epic ponys up, there won't be a PC port of Rebirth.
Roman Empire
Member
Maybe it's time Square revaluate themselves. I think they overestimate their own output in the current state of the industry, and this comes to bite their butts. If they were more humble like Capcom, they'd be praising their current IPs.
However, Square will Square, I guess.
However, Square will Square, I guess.
Madflavor
Member
100% this. FFXVI had really strong bones, but the gameplay loop and design was bad. Story was such a let down too. The whole game should've been Clive going on a revenge quest, and fucking shit up across the land. I don't think it's a coincidence that it's a common sentiment the storytelling started to decline in quality once it stopped being Game of Thrones, and devolved into being another "Kill God" story.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Final Fantasy XVI would have done better if it was actually an RPG. Word of mouth was rightfully horrible and killed the game.
FF7R should have a real turn based mode too. Other games have done both like POE2. Turn based games are more popular than ever and Square is running from it.
FF7R should have a real turn based mode too. Other games have done both like POE2. Turn based games are more popular than ever and Square is running from it.
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Fabieter
Member
Do you like mini games in general?
Salz01
Member
Depends if they offer good rewards.I think I read one can totally bypass the mini games in this though.
Topher
Identifies as young
It's common sense. Really makes no sense for a third party publisher like SE to limit their games to a single platform. Good news is this will probably speed up the PC port.
LordCBH
Member
There’s like 40 mini games. And they expect you to play a good chunk of them to get through the story. I LOVE the game but holy shit they need to dial back the mini games. Saying “we have like 40 mini games” isn’t a flex for them.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
It would be incredible dumb but on par for SE.
Hardensoul
Member
Maybe but do you think Sony expected F7 remake to be split up into multiple games?
One second thought they may have liked the idea of FF7 split into each new console!!
intheinbetween
Member
SE would've gotten the money for that project from other investment partners, they didn't need Sony's money. Come one, everyone was waiting for Square to announce the remake, their most beloved IP.
I can only see that as some sort of capital injection to SE financials, and probably the deal also included FF XVI, Forspoken and Foamstars.
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Unknown?
Member
Get over it dude.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Agreed, plus for every riveting GoT-style drama scene, there are 10 other scenes where characters just stand there like mannequins fucking yapping on and on about something nobody cares about. I fell asleep multiple times before I dropped it around the 70% mark.
My pet theory is that this game started as some DMC-style spinoff game before they reworked it into a mainline game. You can really tell which parts were made with passion + creativity, and which parts were just added in so they could tick off checkboxes.
Fabieter
Member
Imo if you like them than it won't feel like bloat to you. I played it for 110 hours and never lost interest. But I love mini games. Its one of reasons I like like a dragon so much.
crackajack
Member
Isn't this bad when they never meet promises made to their shareholders? Or am I missing something and Tomb Raider, Avengers, GOTG, Hitman sold not enough were the bad years and in between we had positive years too?
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