Killjoy-NL
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Different specs, so imo should be considered different systems.
But maybe it's semantics, or maybe poor English on my part. I think it's clear enouhh what I'm getting at.
Specs for both PS5 and PS5 DE are exactly the same.
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[Spain] Sales from Nov 13 to 19: PS5 #1, Switch #2, PS Portal #3, Xbox #4
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But maybe it's semantics, or maybe poor English on my part. I think it's clear enouhh what I'm getting at.
Specs for both PS5 and PS5 DE are exactly the same.
GHG
Member
Are you serious? They locked the thread?
jm89
Member
Lmfao, petty as shit.Locked the thread and changed the title to Xbox #3
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Figures updated for November 13 to 19
Can't wait for those 2 to be banned as well lol
PS5 32,000
Switch 6,000
Portal 5,700
Resetera Bans 2,600
Xbox 2,000
demigod
Member
User banned 2 weeks, has a history of console warring.
Oh wait this isn’t reeeee. Carry on!
Woopah
Member
Specs for PS4 and PS4 Pro were different, likewise with GameBoy and GameBoy Colour, DS and DSi, 3DS and New 3DS and Xbox One S and Xbox One X.
At least in terms of sales/reporting, different specs aren't enough of a reason to consider things different consoles.
That's why PS5 Pro won't be considered a separate console from the PS5.
Freelance Yakuza
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
graywolf323
Member
honestly I’m surprised it took Era so long to ban you, I got permabanned back in 2020 solely because I had started posting on GAF again so I was labeled a troll
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Perhaps.
Doesn't even matter much anyway. 16:1 in favor of PS5 is ridiculously pathetic for Xbox.
Flutta
Banned
Because we ”Racist” and ”Nazis” over on this side. That’s how they scare of insiders and gamers from joining GAF…
The Last One
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I love that that forum is full of console warring stuff but they pretend they aren’t.
Woopah
Member
Sony didn't regularly give PS4 Pro figures, so I'd be surprised if they do for PS5.
But yes Xbox Series is selling poorly in Spain.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
You know Xbox is in a shitty place when even some mods from the supposedly biggest videogame forum ww clearly biased for MS can't handle these topics.Locked the thread and changed the title to Xbox #3
That title change is laughable and makes no sense.
Tams
Member
Some of them are almost becoming... self aware...
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
It's selling poorly everywhere, just to a lesser extent depending on country or region.
Woopah
Member
This is also true.
Dr_Ifto
Member
I heard something around the portal will get game streaming to it outside of using the PS5. Is that true? Maybe they can patch more into it like video streaming or something. Make it very versatile.
Being higher than the XBS now, is just launch period. It will smooth out.
Being higher than the XBS now, is just launch period. It will smooth out.
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FrankWza
Gold Member
They could make a different version that doesn't require a PS5 and sell it for $300-$350. Make it where you have to sub to PSPlus to use it. Offset and still pull people into their ecosystem
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
It's not even about just home use, either. When I found out you can basically use your home PS5 as a remote server over public wifi networks wherever you happen to be (well outside the home), that's when the Portal actually started to make sense to me as a device.
Basically, it's a portable PS5 via streaming. Not necessarily cloud streaming (not yet, anyway), but streaming nonetheless. No need to split dev resources between two independent platforms. No need to split marketing costs. No need to add unnecessary production expenses. Take your PS5 games on the go, at home or on the road. Just make sure your PS5 at home is turned on and hooked up to your home network (preferably wired if you're out on the go).
From that understanding I can see why the Portal is doing so well, and it was really necessary for markets like Japan IMO.
Yeah that's what I see them doing too, at least for a few years. FWIW they could always add a tier for PS+ focused strictly on cloud gaming, but the thing is even if they do that it wouldn't likely impact PS5 console sales. PS+ is mainly for catalog/legacy content, not new releases.
I think cloud streaming to PS Portal will probably be tied to the console in some way, but it could be a neat way of adding value to PSVR2 (or a future PSVR headset). I'm actually more interested in Sony exploring streaming for a future PSVR headset, that way production costs could come down dramatically, slimmer designs can be had, and cheaper entry-level models can be made. You wouldn't need so much stuff built into the headset itself for local data processing, if you can just stream tightly from the console itself. I'd expect the PS Link tech to be improved on and utilized for such a purpose.
That could hopefully allow a great entry price point for quality VR headsets, and maybe even bundle one as default in next generation of consoles (which I think, is needed if VR or AR are to become mainstream. They have to be a core part of the experience, not just an optional peripheral. But they'd have to make certain it doesn't come at the expense of console performance or software, a mistake Microsoft didn't avoid with XBO (the Kinect 2 itself was pretty solid quality tech-wise but came at the expense of XBO hardware performance and focus).
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vivftp
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It's something Sony is looking into. They have PS+ Premium cloud streaming which very recently got a large boost with the introduction of PS5 hardware into the cloud, along with resolution boosts and other benefits. Here's an interview with Hideaki Nishino (SVP, Platform Experience) where it's noted:
In terms of Portal, remote play and the cloud are only different in terms of where the server is, and there are no technical problems. We will start with remote play and proceed with verification.
So there is no real restriction on making the Portal do cloud streaming, they just have to take it one step at a time. The next step to making it feasible to do PS+ cloud streaming on the Portal is to create an Android app, since that's what the Portal runs. Once an Android app is created that will also open the door to doing PS+ cloud streaming on phones, tablets, Bravia TVs and Afeela EVs. We already know that Sony wants to put cloud streaming into their upcoming EVs.
You have been able to do PS+ cloud streaming to PC for years. The upgraded PS+ cloud service with PS5 game streaming is currently only on PS5, but it will roll out to more platforms in time. The rollout to PS5 was a large undertaking and it makes sense to start by rolling it out to the one platform they have the most control over. If they're supporting streaming on PC then there's no reason not to support streaming on the Portal. They'll still be raking in cash via PS+ Premium subscriptions. Not to mention they've been rolling out the ability to play some of your digitally owned games via the cloud, so they can also pull in revenue from folks who want to buy games digitally and stream.
This doesn't make sense and is not necessary. It is within the capability of the Portal to do cloud streaming, Sony just has to create an Android cloud streaming app and then update the Portal to support it. No separate or upgraded device needed. They're looking into it, the Portal just launched and their updated cloud service just launched. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the Portal supporting cloud by the first half of 2024.
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Sleepwalker
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They could make it so in order to stream from the cloud you need to validate your Portal with an actual PS console, but when doing premium streaming it takes it from the cloud instead of the PS.
So youd still need to be connected to a PS5 and navigate towards premium catalogue and press stream via remote play, then it switches.
vivftp
Member
They could make it so in order to stream from the cloud you need to validate your Portal with an actual PS console, but when doing premium streaming it takes it from the cloud instead of the PS.
So youd still need to be connected to a PS5 and navigate towards premium catalogue and press stream via remote play, then it switches.
These are unnecessary steps and ignores the fact that folks can do PS+ cloud streaming on PC today just fine (not the newer PS5 version yet) without the need for a console to do anything. Once the Portal is updated to support cloud, it'll likely be as simple as turn on the Portal and choose to either connect via remote play or cloud streaming and you're good to go.
systemr123
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Just when PS5 does 9:1 vs Xbox and you think it can’t get much worse you get 16:1 omg… it’s getting completely destroyed and even the portal almost sells triple of an actual console.
SenkiDala
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A new thing being more popular than an older thing, weird right ?
FrankWza
Gold Member
It makes plenty of sense. I was responding to diluting the PS ecosystem. If a PS5 isn't necessary they lose a sale on a PS5. If you make a a separate Portal that doesn't require one, you charge more for it and that offsets the loss on the console and peripherals. You don't alienate early adopters and you force a PS sub because, how else are you using it with no storage. Plus, the Explore Link connection is built in so you don't need to do anything else hardware - wise. It's not necessary from a build standpoint but it makes sense for their brand and profits
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Synastry
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My first post so please forgive me if I'm out of line but how does that make sense when the switch sold more then the portal and its a 7 year old system?
Killjoy-NL
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Nvm
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vivftp
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... You do realize that Sony first party doesn't launch on PS+ and neither do bigger third parties, right? Many of those big games that people buy the PS5 for don't show up on PS+ until much later, so the impact on consoles sales is negligible at best. Same with releasing their games on PC years afterwards.
It's an entry point into part of the ecosystem, not the whole ecosystem. The whole ecosystem is so very much more. It can help get some people in through the door and at that point once they have a taste they may want more by buying a PS5. Or buying some Pulse earbuds/headset. It provides recurring revenue to Sony via subscriptions. Hell, it's very easy to argue that the Portal with cloud support is a more beneficial entry point into the ecosystem for Sony than the PC is because Sony makes direct revenue off of the Portal sale, subscription sales and possibly headset/earbud sales. And again, Sony are doing cloud streaming to PC right now, and have been for many years.
The PS ecosystem would not be diluted in any way, shape or form.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But this does alienate early adopters.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What was the title? I do not understand that ban in the slightest.
MasterCornholio
Member
It made an Xbox fan angry?
Woopah
Member
I think they are just saying that we shouldn't expect Portal to sell as good every week as it did in its launch week.
FrankWza
Gold Member
And you will never buy them without that PS5 because you don't need a PS5. Which decreases revenue and profit.
A potentially less profitable part. So you charge more for a Portal that doesn't need a PS5. That's how you offset. You're limiting them but you you are also limited on how much that consumer will spend.
No because we have PS5 consoles and access to everything. Console plus $200 for Portal. They would be $300-350 for just a Portal.
BbMajor7th
Member
Man, this shit would make David Koresh proud...Locked the thread and changed the title to Xbox #3
There's still plenty kicking of industry folk kicking around here.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Just such a strange thing to be banned for. I don't get it.
vivftp
Member
This tangent is irrelevant. The Portal exists and we know Sony are looking into adding cloud support. This hypothetical $300-$350 more expensive version isn't going to happen.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
Member
FIN I have a PS5 Slim console!
MasterCornholio
Member
Well some are bothered by the current situation. I'm not saying it was correct but it is what it is.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I remember you being the poster here on GAF who shared many of the rumors and leaks about the PS5 Slim. Congrats on your new PS5 haha!
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demigod
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Highest tier ps plus subscription. They aren’t losing money nor software sales.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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This dunkin on Xbox thread is like:
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why not just allow the current PlayStation portal have access to cloud gaming, but not all PlayStation 5 games? I think that's the best middle ground for all parties.
yazenov
Gold Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
If anything Sony would be more likely to increase the price of PlayStation Plus premium and then give access to portal users to play cloud gaming on it. But either way we all should be 90% sure that cloud gaming is coming to the PlayStation portal sometime in the future.