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[STARSBarry]

to be fair one of those titles only runs at 30 FPS and... oh fuck...

 

[rofif]

I wouldn't say it has "fantastic gameplay", far from it, but having watched the worth a buy and skill up reviews it's nowhere near as bad as what's on show here.

This is flat out broken in most key metrics.

It is such an industry fail to put these 2 games in the same scores range.
Forspoken might be cringe and story might be badly paced. Didn't bother me but I can see how it is not to everyone's liking.
But other than that, it's a good looking (now also patched and good running) fully finished and featured game. it is not broken.
Scoring it in low 60 beacuse "bad character memes on twitter" is a tragedy. or maybe redfall 60s scores are way too high. Either way, the game review score range is from 60-95 apparently.

As for Forpsoken Gameply - I don't want to oversell it. Don't get me wrong!
All I am saying is that gameplay got some depth to it and is fully featured. It is engaging. The movement is satsfying, the combat can be challenging and you unlock new powers the whole game

 

[rofif]

Lol dude this is straight up murder hahaha!
To be fair. not a single game reaches tlou2 level of fidelity. Not even part 1 honestly. But this is just tragedy lol

 

[Jaybe]

Where's the IGN review? They're normally quick to put out their reviews, but this time they are conveniently late to the party. By accident or by design? I wonder.

Still working on that 100% sniper rifle play through

 

[mckmas8808]

Colt Eastwood finally realising how fucking stupid it is for a console's success to have every game come out at the same time on PC is one for the ages.

Congrats, dickwad. The blindingly obvious has finally become known to you.

It was SO FRUSRATING when the whole gaming media got on Sony for not following MS' lead with Gamepass and putting every 1st party game on their new service day one and with a PC release day one also. Half of GAF felt the same way and I never understood how people couldn't understand just how STUPID that was.

 

[Captain Toad]

Not fair comparison. One of those is last-gen and the other is current-gen.

 

[GHG]

They even managed to break Paul Tassi, he looks defeated:




"one of the worst AAA releases he has ever played"

"I can't find anything redeeming about Redfall, in any category of the game"

 

[Captain Toad]

They even managed to break Paul Tassi, he looks defeated:

I watched CrapGamer review. I was curious how he'd spin it, especially seeing the title was, "Redfall scores terribly. The media hates Xbox and loves PlayStation"

But, in his video he went a different route. He went with fanboys were just making a big deal because they haven't released a low scoring AAA game in so long.

He's right. Xbox did not release a single AAA game in all of 2022 and 2033 that scored below a 98 metacritic until Redfall.

 

[3liteDragon]

Stop insulting TLOU2.

 

[GHG]

I watched CrapGamer review. I was curious how he'd spin it, especially seeing the title was, "Redfall scores terribly. The media hates Xbox and loves PlayStation"

But, in his video he went a different route. He went with fanboys were just making a big deal because they haven't released a low scoring AAA game in so long.

He's right. Xbox did not release a single AAA game in all of 2022 and 2033 that scored below a 98 metacritic until Redfall.

All of this is a "litmus test" moment as far as I'm concerned. I'm watching to see who is trying to downplay this disaster or even say that it's "good"/"not that bad" or words to that effect. There is a permanent mental shit-list that is being built of individuals and outlets whose options I can safely ignore/disregard in the future.

In fairness though, so far there have been little to no surprises as to whom those people are so far.

 

[SJRB]

Man, SkillUp's review is fucking insane.

Absolute annihilation simply by showing moment to moment gameplay.

Arkane on suicide watch.

 

[Pelta88]

GAF. I present to you Damage control that is so convoluted, it needs to be encapsulated for posterity...

"Redfall doesn't even vaguely approach the quality bar expected of Arkane, and indeed, Xbox itself. However, I have been told by multiple sources that Xbox was entirely hands-off with the project, and that the game doesn't fall under Xbox Game Studios' director Matt Booty's responsibilities — because rightly or wrongly, right now, Arkane is not an Xbox Game Studio by internal definition." - Jez

Can you imagine PlayStation claiming that they don't really own insom?

 

[digoutyoursoul]

All of this is a "litmus test" moment as far as I'm concerned. I'm watching to see who is trying to downplay this disaster or even say that it's "good"/"not that bad" or words to that effect. There is a permanent mental shit-list that is being built of individuals and outlets whose options I can safely ignore/disregard in the future.

In fairness though, so far there have been little to no surprises as to whom those people are so far.

“It’s fine “ is usually the go to quote for some of those people .

Saying “it’s fine “ is hardly a glowing endorsement

 

[Captain Toad]

GAF. I present to you Damage control that is so convoluted, it needs to be encapsulated for posterity...

"Redfall doesn't even vaguely approach the quality bar expected of Arkane, and indeed, Xbox itself. However, I have been told by multiple sources that Xbox was entirely hands-off with the project, and that the game doesn't fall under Xbox Game Studios' director Matt Booty's responsibilities — because rightly or wrongly, right now, Arkane is not an Xbox Game Studio by internal definition." - Jez

Can you imagine PlayStation claiming that they don't really own insom?

Strange how Arkane canceled the PS5 version all on their own with no outside influences coming from Microsoft.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

GAF. I present to you Damage control that is so convoluted, it needs to be encapsulated for posterity...

"Redfall doesn't even vaguely approach the quality bar expected of Arkane, and indeed, Xbox itself. However, I have been told by multiple sources that Xbox was entirely hands-off with the project, and that the game doesn't fall under Xbox Game Studios' director Matt Booty's responsibilities — because rightly or wrongly, right now, Arkane is not an Xbox Game Studio by internal definition." - Jez

Can you imagine PlayStation claiming that they don't really own insom?

That guy does more harm than good. He’s always got some narrative to push.

As soon as Starfield was delayed he was right in there with “got a backlog anyway”. Suddenly the fan base in general were saying the same thing, Series X Reddit was full of the same quotes.

 

[avin]

They even managed to break Paul Tassi, he looks defeated:

"one of the worst AAA releases he has ever played"

"I can't find anything redeeming about Redfall, in any category of the game"

Thank you for the succinct summary. I'm not sure why people feel the need to make these ridiculously long videos that say absolutely nothing that you or I couldn't say in fifteen seconds, but it seems to be a baked-in "feature" of gaming in these times.

avin

 

[EviLore]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well he's busy putting hundreads of hours on Redfall while we spend 6-8 hour on one and done games.

 

[mckmas8808]

Thats an example of a question I'd like to see answered. I always assumed support was available but maybe it isn't. We know Coalition helps the State of Decay devs a bit. Not sure specifically what help Arkane would get and from who. I vaguely remember hearing about id helping them with gunplay.

So where is all that MS money going to then?

 

[hyperbertha]

If they hadn't cancelled the ps5 version xbox could have looked bad together with sony. Now they just look bad by themselves.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to stay on that site. Level of discusion there is worse than terrible most of the time. It's easiest fact to check. Acquisition was finalized 9 march 2021. That's literally first day MS could speak about anything development related with people in Zenimax.

Doesn't take two years to figure out this shit was a dud.

 

[Captain Toad]

So where is all that MS money going to then?

To pay Activision Blizzard for not buying them.

 

[Bernardougf]

A game with a terrible story and shit characters and the other is redfall filled with bugs

 

[Punished Miku]

So where is all that MS money going to then?

We know they pay salaries, marketing, GP deals, 3rd party deals. Just said I'd appreciate more detail on what support they have. Just out of curiosity. We know Coalition helped a little bit and they have some inter-studio seminars.

 

[DeepEnigma]

A game with a terrible story and shit characters and the other is redfall filled with bugs

There is far more wrong with Redfall than just "bugs bro"

Try all of the above. Shit graphics, shit performance, shit story, shit characters, shit gameplay, shit AI, etc, etc..

 

[solidus12]

Maybe I’m seeing things but hear me out:

 

[R6Rider]

A game with a terrible story and shit characters and the other is redfall filled with bugs

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe I’m seeing things but hear me out:

eAsTeR eGg

 

[FrankWza]

This is VERY concerning to read.

Makes me wonder if this is why the phrase "Best Deal in Gaming" is stated multiple times per week on video game podcasts that I listen to weekly.

And now, almost all at once, the same defense is being presented across the board.

 

[Captain Toad]

Maybe I’m seeing things but hear me out:

It was Monster who pressured them to hurry up and release.

 

[solidus12]

eAsTeR eGg

It eats Monsters for breakfast after all.

 

[Bernardougf]

There is far more wrong with Redfall than just "bugs bro"

Try all of the above. Shit graphics, shit performance, shit story, shit characters, shit gameplay, shit AI, etc, etc..

I know.... was just joking because I really dislike TLOU2 ... redfall is another cosmic level of shit

 

[DenchDeckard]

This is so colossally fucking stupid I don't know where to start. The developer owned outright by Microsoft for three years has nothing to do with Xbox.

...and if Redfall had been a 95% critical darling, I guess no one would be claiming it was Xbox's triumph, would they?

Get the fuck outta here

To be fair, hi fi rush was praised and there was plenty of " this has nothing to do with Microsoft it was in development before the purchase and should have come to ps5...xbox had nothing to do with it" type comments.

 

[SuperSaiyanWithDreads]

Forspoken isn’t a PS5 1st party game

 

[FrankWza]

To be fair, hi fi rush was praised and there was plenty of " this has nothing to do with Microsoft it was in development before the purchase and should have come to ps5...xbox had nothing to do with it" type comments.

So who's responsible for hyping the wrong game then?

 

[Krathoon]

Forespoken is way better on a technical level than Redfall. It is like night and day.

The problem with Forespoken was the content.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So who's responsible for hyping the wrong game then?

Bethesda and MS, maybe?

 

[FrankWza]

Bethesda and MS, maybe?

I think they need to have a sit down

 

[simpatico]

Can any devs shed some light on what the office tone is like at Arkane right now after a release like this?

 

[The Cockatrice]

The OT for Redfall has to be the dumbest thing I've seen in my entire life. Legit people are calling the game good,30 FPS is fine, game has no issues, etc. And people wonder why corporations get away with garbage like this. The world is full of idiots.

 

[Gorgon]

Worth a Buy review site never fails to deliver. Extensive co-op based review:



EDIT: The game is far worse than I imagined.

 

[semiconscious]

Thank you for the succinct summary. I'm not sure why people feel the need to make these ridiculously long videos that say absolutely nothing that you or I couldn't say in fifteen seconds, but it seems to be a baked-in "feature" of gaming in these times.

avin

i'm thinking that it's either an attempt to monetize themselves, or that they're simply 'lookin' for love in all the wrong places'...

 

[Krathoon]

Yeah. I watched the Worth a Buy review. The game is pretty awful. Wow. There is even T posing happening.

 

[Phase]

Just uninstalled.

Game is utter garbage. Shockingly bad.

I hope you didn't pay money for it. You could see how bad it was from a mile away.

 

[Baki]

GAF. I present to you Damage control that is so convoluted, it needs to be encapsulated for posterity...

"Redfall doesn't even vaguely approach the quality bar expected of Arkane, and indeed, Xbox itself. However, I have been told by multiple sources that Xbox was entirely hands-off with the project, and that the game doesn't fall under Xbox Game Studios' director Matt Booty's responsibilities — because rightly or wrongly, right now, Arkane is not an Xbox Game Studio by internal definition." - Jez

Can you imagine PlayStation claiming that they don't really own insom?

Bungie would be a better example. I do agree though. It's on MS. A real shame, I like Arkane games a lot. I was quite hyped.

 

[Baki]

Amazing... listening to interviews of Arkane leading up to Deathloop giving Sony effusive praise about the Support they received and we are supposed to believe Microsoft gave little to no input/support for Redfall? They don't look good either way it just makes the situation worse

They might not have the same support setup. PS Studios clearly has a good overall support infrastructure. No idea what MS support structure is like. It might be non-existent.

 

[Dick Jones]

Awful news revealed for Arkane Austin
It's over. Sting coming this September
Godspeed lads.

 

[Represent.]

Goes to show the absolute lack of balls these outlets have.

This game makes Forspoken look like a masterpiece. How they are within 2 points of each other is dog shit.

USE THE FULL SCALE. I want to see RED. Not yellow.

I want to see 20s and 30s, not 60's.

Forspoken was a 6/10.

Redfall is a 2 or 3/10 at BEST.

Why do they have the same MC score? Are you scared to score below 6/10?

5/10 is a PASS. 6/10 means its Better than a pass. Its almost decent.

Where is this industries balls? Standards?

Call them the fuck out. Drop some 2 and 3/10's and really let these publishers and developers know that trash like this isn't acceptable. Not even for Gamepass filler.

The game is literally unfinished. It should be nothing higher than a 3. 30% on MC. Full out RED.

6/10. Give me a break.

my god.

 

[Krathoon]

I really hope they patch the game up like Cyberpunk.

I am sure Arkane will try to redeem themselves.

I will probably stay away from the game until they release a major patch.

 

[Captain Toad]

Goes to show the absolute lack of balls these outlets have.

This game makes Forspoken look like a masterpiece. How they are within 2 points of each other is dog shit.

USE THE FULL SCALE. I want to see RED. Not yellow.

I want to see 20s and 30s, not 60's.

Forspoken was a 6/10.

Redfall is a 2 or 3/10 at BEST.

Why do they have the same MC score? Are you scared to score below 6/10?

5/10 is a PASS. 6/10 means its Better than a pass. Its almost decent.

Where is this industries balls? Standards?

Call them the fuck out. Drop some 2 and 3/10's and really let these publishers and developers that trash like this isn't acceptable.

The game is literally unfinished. It should be nothing higher than a 3. 30% on MC. Full out RED.

6/10. Give me a break.



my god.

I was just thinking this. After seeing all the gameplay videos, there is absolutely no way this game deserves a 62. That seems way too high. It's like they are scared to anger an important player like Microsoft more than absolutely necessary.