The point is that to do so now would require building a studio from the ground up
lol what? yea...nahhhh bud. To do so right now would simply require contracting a studio like they've done in the past, I see nothing currently today as of 2024 that would stop them from contracting a team to make a game they own.
They still do that today mind you, as in Helldivers 2 is an IP owned by Sony, made from a team they don't own.
So....I don't know what you are talking about and I'm not sure why you stated it "would require" anything you just stated, those are all options, they are not requirements for those games to exist, as I'm sure if Sony even wanted to make another run at some JRPG thing, they'd likely contract a studio to create an IP they own the rights to, see where that goes and buy them in the future if its really successful or something. Keep in mind, that isn't even a JRPG thing, Sony does that all the time even with non-JRPG stuff so....
yea..
I know it's a first party game, so is Rise of the Ronin. My point was that those games he listed are no different to the ones Sony makes with third partie
Nah, the difference is Sony owns those IPs.
Some of the deals Sony makes for 3rd party games are based on NOT OWNING the IP, as in, Sony does not own Rise Of Ronin, that is owned by Koei Tecmo.
Sorta like Activision publishing Sekrio, it is an IP not owned by Activision, its actually owned by Fromsoft.
So.....yea, all those deals are not the same and that isn't remotely what Dan was suggesting or saying.
All he is saying is that at one point Sony funded and owned many JRPGs.....thats it.
Nothing btw you guys are saying even goes against
Danjin44
point.
Sony used to fund JRPGs that they owned the IP to that they sourced by other teams. Owning the team or not doesn't change that Sony use to do this and I'm not really sure why the team being independent would ever change Dan's point lol
I was saying there are if you count those developed by third parties as first party games such as Rise of the Ronin like he has done for Dark cloud and so on.
ohhhh my sweet summer child....
Not all outsourced games are created equal sir. What you did there is an assumption. That is false. Let me explain.
Developed by someone else has no relevance to the term "first party". To any company, it just means "its ours" thats it, please stop with this idea of a independent team or 3rd party team or some shit suddenly changing the term of what a game is to the company that hired them, its irrelevant and to the company, none of that shit matters.
As someone in real estate, I work with builders that do their own construction or even have their families on builds, I work with builders that actually just outsource the work to another company....regardless of how the dust settles, they still own the fucking land and those buildings, they don't suddenly change the term of WHAT the building is, its just too irrelevant and strange.
That is how I see this with this whole "first party" thing, the term is only relevant to Sony (or publisher in question)
ie Sony is make a game about Fuzzy Bears, the IP is owned by Sony.
Sony might do the following.
A. Outsource it to a independent team to keep the cost down and buy that team later on if the game does will.
B. Keep it in house and assign it to an existing team.
C. Make it a combination of A and B, as in have their in house team as lead and have a independent studio assist.
Nothing above that I listed changes if its a first party game, its owned by Sony. Regardless of HOW it comes into existence, it is owned by Sony and the term is simply based on that.
When that term changes is largely based on the ownership of the IP. A great example is the below statement by sir
WooMan Spiderman is a character owned by Marvel, but the features, technology etc are owned by Sony. So first party? maybe, Sony owns the features, engine and other elements, but Marvel owns the IP of Spiderman, so the deal likely came to be by Sony supply the tech and team and Marvel licensing the IP to them. Marvel is allowed likely after some time to release some other Spiderman game, they are however not allowed to release Spiderman 2018 or something on any device or platform or something odd like that as they don't own all the tech, thus it would be wildly expensive for them to even work around all that, but shit, it would be wildly expensive for Sony to buy Spiderman or buy Marvel lol So it means both are in a situation that make sense for both and maybe second party fits that better, same with MLB.
3rd party clearly would be they don't own the IP nor publishing and its merely a deal to have the title on a platform for a period of time or something.
Sony does not own Rise Of Ronin.
Sony does own Dark Cloud IP
Thus, that isn't really something that is the same all the time by default and it would be foolish to assume so.
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How important is it that Sony don't own Spiderman, Wolverine, MLB or Death Stranding?
Thats nice Wooman, but that isn't the point of what is being stated so.......yea lol
No, they didn't. Nice attempt at lying, though.
It was self-published by Hello Games from the very beginning, even on PS4.
??? Don't be this way Nial lol He isn't lying, what he is saying is that Sony helped with marketing that game.
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"The young developer
raised eyebrows at Spike VGX 2013 with an announcement and trailer that stole a lot of attention away from the other premieres of the events, and caught the interest of Sony who locked
No Man's Sky down as a timed PlayStation 4 exclusive."
I'm surprised you never knew this....
So, he is correct, Sony is simply doing the same thing they did with No Man Sky. They have no control over that Ronin game as the IP is owned by Koei
No company is stupid enough to fund, produce AND publish a game just so anyone else can do whatever they want with it.
That isn't true at all either. Sony has done this many times and other publishers have done this, MS did this with Mass Effect before EA bought the IP and team.
As in, MS funded, published, marketed Mass Effect despite not owning the team, the IP etc.
Keep in mind, this is done because by the time the game even goes to other platforms, it will be tied to that platform and its fanbase anyway, I'm sure many on here will buy the next Mass Effect on XB despite it being on PS and PC, Sony does this because it might be the only way they can get a deal, they are market leader so majority of sales will go to them and by the time something like Ronin or Stellar Blade goes else where, the majority will mentally have that game locked as a PS title regardless.
So, rare, but please with the "no company" that is false and many, many examples show Sony and many more have done this in the past.
They didn't publish the PS4 version. They published the limited physical release of the discs. They didn't own the rights to the PS4 version.
The lolz, I think you guys need to calm down and focus on what is being said....
He is not stating Sony owns the rights to that game, he is saying just the opposite.
They basically did the same for no man sky without having any control over it.
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his point is that they have supported games like this, without having any control or rights over it.
He is not saying they own the rights to anything to No Man Sky, he is saying they have funded, marketed, helped etc on games they don't have any control over.
No Man Sky, Ronin, Stellar Blade etc.
So...look, as it stands,
Fabieter
makes a solid point about Sony assisting in projects like this despite not owning the IP or controlling the title or something and
Danjin44
makes solid valid points about Sony generations prior funding JRPGs that the own the IP to.
The rest of what many of you are saying imho is just irrelevant. The points being made are sound. Sony has assisted in titles before that they don't own the IP to, they have funded JRPGs before.
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