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[Mephisto40]

If you need any more evidence that consoles won't be a thing any more in a couple of generations, there it is

 

[Vyse]

I travel a lot and have a fire stick. Heading out today and already have my series s packed. Will take my Firestick and try it out.

If it works well, I’m down.

 

[Punished Miku]

I travel a lot and have a fire stick. Heading out today and already have my series s packed. Will take my Firestick and try it out.

If it works well, I’m down.

It works well on my Series S wirelessly. I've never been to a hotel with good internet though. Even my phone is slow loading pages when I travel usually. But I'm curious to hear how it works for you.

 

[Sethbacca]

I'm no fan of streaming gaming, but it works well for non twitch type games. Turn based RPGs, visual novels, strategy games, etc. Where it falls apart is shooters, racers, fighting games and the like. This would probably be fine for people that aren't fans of twitch games.

 

[ReBurn]

You're telling me people don't buy one of the amazing Xbox controllers that are released each week, just to have them?

I know it's hard to believe.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I travel a lot and have a fire stick. Heading out today and already have my series s packed. Will take my Firestick and try it out.

If it works well, I’m down.

I'd be interested to know how well it works on hotel wifi for sure. I don't go on business trips much, but a firestick and controller would be an easy add to my luggage when I do.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

If you need any more evidence that consoles won't be a thing any more in a couple of generations, there it is

*Xbox consoles.

As always, people equate the state of Xbox as the state of the console market

 

[Mephisto40]

I'd be interested to know how well it works on hotel wifi for sure. I don't go on business trips much, but a firestick and controller would be an easy add to my luggage when I do.

The last time I tried it, it was completely unusable, but hotel Wi-Fi in the UK is generally awful

 

[DryvBy]

I actually know someone in real life that thinks this idea of saying you don't need d a console is smart because execs run numbers behind the scenes.

If execs didn't have all "yes boss" men behind them, they'd never have this kind of stupid ad in the first place. While Netflix, something you just watch, is successful, it doesn't mean gaming will be for the non-gamer. Plus, Netflix has gaming already, and casual phone apps is what that gamer would want, not Halo. If MS would have went more into movies and shows before this, maybe it would work but they never want to think ahead.

Tldr; replace top execs with AI and companies will be managed better than high level college execs that waste company resources on meetings.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Who wants to buy a controller, pay a sub, for games that can leave at any time, which doesn't even include all GP games to start with, and you can't even get them on sale when they're leaving the service?
If MS was smart they'd try to get this included in hotel stays.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

To be fair, by fire stick, I'd expect this to also be available on the 3rd Gen Cube. And the cube is a more relevant comparison to the likes of the Apple 4k. In which case they are very quick. I hate the way its ui has gone and lots of other things Amazon are doing. But hardware wise, you'd likely be impressed with a cube.

The cube is slower than the fire stick... not sure where you're getting that it is equivalent to the apple tv 4k.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

just a reminded. PS Now was on Samsung TVs already

Reminder not reminded, and it is no longer there.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Reminder not reminded, and it is no longer there.

and thats the point

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[buenoblue]

Way to undervalue your own product by telling others you don't really need it lol.

Also, what a terrible ad!

This is Microsofts strategy this gen it seems. And it seems to be working

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

There's already been people on X considering these as console sales . . . ha!

 

[Jaybe]

if their exclusive stuff ends up being decent, then I may consider it.

There won’t be anything exclusive to Xbox. Everything will come to PlayStation and where possible Nintendo Switch, and it’s successor.

 

[Matsuchezz]

For the love of God, just buy a series S instead.

 

[Topher]

 

[Heisenberg007]

This is Microsofts strategy this gen it seems. And it seems to be working

I wouldn't say it's working though. The only reason we're seeing their strategy shift so drastically quarter to quarter is because their strategies haven't been working.

 

[fudgybrownie]

If you need any more evidence that consoles won't be a thing any more in a couple of generations, there it is

That's what an xbox person would say to cope with low console sales.

 

[fudgybrownie]

Xbox controller not included?

 

[Mephisto40]

That's what an xbox person would say to cope with low console sales.

Nope

 

[RedC]

 

[Ozriel]

Not sure what Jez is on about. Fire TV sticks and other Amazon devices are usually discounted in the week preceding Amazon Prime Day. Nothing to do with XCloud.

 

[T-Cake]

Is this USA only? There is no sign of any app on my Firestick in UK.

EDIT: Also seems to be new 2023 models only - I have original Firestick 4K Max from 2021 so that's a no go.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

Is this USA only? There is no sign of any app on my Firestick in UK.

Yes

 

[Sorcerer]

For the love of God, just buy a series S instead.

I get what you are saying, but the S for the price is a bit gimped in the storage arena, something you don't have to worry about with cloud gaming. Now that there are so many S variations I think they start to lose value as you climb up the expense ladder, you have to say to yourself should I just get an X, and again there are too many models of the damn thing as well. The classic trap!!!. It can't compete with a $40 stick you may have anyway. And you need Gamepass if you want to cloud game regardless.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

wait a minute.... this is only avaliable on the 4K TV firestick version but Xbox streaming is only on 1080?....if true, this is the most Xbox thing ever.

 

[Sorcerer]

wait a minute.... this is only avaliable on the 4K TV firestick version but Xbox streaming is only on 1080?....if true, this is the most Xbox thing ever.

I find it strange that (I am assuming) you can't get in on the Fire Cube, or a Fire TV (Samsung may have locked in the TV rights in that case). They really are trying to present it people as a dirt-cheap way to get into Xbox, and I guess to suggest other completely compatible devices would ruin that message? Bizzare when you could present it as anywhere platform within the Firestick Family. Have a Firestick on a non Amazon TV, but a Fire TV elsewhere in the house just move the game there if need be.

 

[King Dazzar]

The cube is slower than the fire stick... not sure where you're getting that it is equivalent to the apple tv 4k.

3rd gen cube benchmarks:

 

[Astray]

What people don't realize is that Xbox is pivoting here as Nintendo pivoted. And similarly, they're pivoting towards their strength.

They acknowledged they weren't going to outconsole Sony and Nintendo. That's a quote from Phil (brushed off for reasons).

Microsoft knows that they're early to the market on cloud, but that cloud is likely the future. Sony realizes this as well and they're focusing more on the backend. They've yet to go all in. Cloud streaming is on PC, but not Mac, iOS, Android, SmartTV, PS Portal. I think PS Portal will be the first to get PS5 streaming, because Sony wants more control over your streaming experience, i.e. to buy a PlayStation product. I think we'll see PS streaming via Android, since Sony's strategy is clearly so Android focused. PS Portal runs on Android and Sony TVs run on Android TV.

Again, the only difference is Sony is taking their time, while Microsoft is clearly making a strong pivot because they've already acknowledged that their hardware sales are in decline.

Microsoft isn't selling enough hardware, software, or subscriptions to justify staying on course.

Innovator's dilemma simply doesn't exist when your existing product (Xbox hardware and platform royalties) is already loss-making and has nothing to be cannibalized.

They're going to embrace every cutting-edge idea because they simply have nothing right now and the risk downside is neutralized as part of a multi-trillion Corp.

 

[Ozriel]

wait a minute.... this is only avaliable on the 4K TV firestick version but Xbox streaming is only on 1080?....if true, this is the most Xbox thing ever.

The 4K versions have more powerful processors, and that’s most likely the driver for restricting it to those hardware.

I’d never recommend anyone buy the non 4K sticks. Sluggish as hell.

 

[Ozriel]

Innovator's dilemma simply doesn't exist when your existing product (Xbox hardware and platform royalties) is already loss-making and has nothing to be cannibalized.

They're going to embrace every cutting-edge idea because they simply have nothing right now and the risk downside is neutralized as part of a multi-trillion Corp.

Platform royalties are ‘loss making’?

They already went full on with the cloud years ago, even from the start of the gen when things looked relatively more rosy.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Is this going to end up like doom where things are being played on calculators and pregnancy tests?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

The 4K versions have more powerful processors, and that’s most likely the driver for restricting it to those hardware.

I’d never recommend anyone buy the non 4K sticks. Sluggish as hell.

i know, the issue is that xcloud is not 4K.

 

[Ozriel]

i know, the issue is that xcloud is not 4K.

and XCloud has been on Samsung 4K smart TVs for a while now.

They’ve baselined it on the 4K Fire TV sticks because of the chipset power and those are the only models with > 1GB RAM.

 

[buenoblue]

I wouldn't say it's working though. The only reason we're seeing their strategy shift so drastically quarter to quarter is because their strategies haven't been working.

Lol that's what I meant. I replied to poster saying Xbox is giving a reason not to by Xbox.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

and XCloud has been on Samsung 4K smart TVs for a while now.

They’ve baselined it on the 4K Fire TV sticks because of the chipset power and those are the only models with > 1GB RAM.

i know. I'm taking about their ongoing fumbling with their messaging, their inability to meet standards/expectations:

"4K streaming device... the expectations are 4K game streaming, right?"

I mean, Nvidia is offering 4k streaming for example I think even PS does.

 

[Astray]

Platform royalties are ‘loss making’?

They already went full on with the cloud years ago, even from the start of the gen when things looked relatively more rosy.

Xbox has only started sharing profit and loss figures since they closed the ATVI deal (all the released figures point to losses btw). Before that we had zero clue about the profit/loss figures for the Xbox ecosystem and division.

No one ever hides profits, it's in the division's interest to tout good numbers to engender good will from investors and win internal decisions in its favor. The absence of these figures is a major red flag in any business.

What we've seen easily points to a loss imo. But Microsoft and other giant corporations can easily handle taking losses for an extended period of time to achieve larger strategy goals.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

3rd gen cube benchmarks:

From what I've heard and seen the Cube's performance doesn't match it's benchmarks. That might have been more oriented around the 1st and 2nd gen, but I doubt there's significant improvement with the 3rd gen. Certainly not enough to put it in the same ballpark as the Apple TV 4K.

 

[TrebleShot]

From what I've heard and seen the Cube's performance doesn't match it's benchmarks. That might have been more oriented around the 1st and 2nd gen, but I doubt there's significant improvement with the 3rd gen. Certainly not enough to put it in the same ballpark as the Apple TV 4K.

I have a apple tv 4k gathering dust in my cupboards.

Nice UI but as with all things apple your heavily restricted.

It's a little bit more open so you can at least use a vpn on it now but it's still fairly useless unless you use all conventional streaming apps.

If you want stremio , IPTV or anything international such as other regional streaming apps forget about it.

 

[ren008]

Tried it out last night with my 4k max on 5ghz wifi. A pixelly, laggy mess full of compression artifacts and the occassional screen wipe effect.

Then tried xcloud for the first time in years on my wired series x. Also a (slightly less) laggy but still pixelated mess with someless less screenwipe effect going on.

Xcloud in any form remains absolute garbage.

 

[Ozriel]

i know. I'm taking about their ongoing fumbling with their messaging, their inability to meet standards/expectations:

"4K streaming device... the expectations are 4K game streaming, right?"

I mean, Nvidia is offering 4k streaming for example I think even PS does.

The mass market audience they’re aiming for won’t really know or care about these things.

Xbox has only started sharing profit and loss figures since they closed the ATVI deal (all the released figures point to losses btw). Before that we had zero clue about the profit/loss figures for the Xbox ecosystem and division.

No one ever hides profits, it's in the division's interest to tout good numbers to engender good will from investors and win internal decisions in its favor. The absence of these figures is a major red flag in any business.

Loss on hardware is possible.

There’s no logical way to say they’re making a loss on platform royalties from third party game sales and IAPs.

 

[Borowski_1]

I got a different kind of stick to give Mat Booty and Phil Spencer

 

[King Dazzar]

From what I've heard and seen the Cube's performance doesn't match it's benchmarks. That might have been more oriented around the 1st and 2nd gen, but I doubt there's significant improvement with the 3rd gen. Certainly not enough to put it in the same ballpark as the Apple TV 4K.

C'mon man you're more intelligent than that. The benchmarks clearly show the improvements and massive performance uptick over sticks. I'm pointing out that the cube may be far better than the sticks with using the xbox app.

 

[Sorcerer]

Anybody have any word on what Phil said about making all your purchased Xbox games work on the cloud/gamepass?
He said July I believe. Soon?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

C'mon man you're more intelligent than that. The benchmarks clearly show the improvements and massive performance uptick over sticks. I'm pointing out that the cube may be far better than the sticks with using the xbox app.

Again dude, not sure you've used these devices in person or seen comparisons, but they're not effectively designed products and benchmarks alone are not evidence of solid performance.

If anything they're marginally better than the sticks now with the 3rd gen cubes, but still not worth it in my book.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

The mass market audience they’re aiming for won’t really know or care about these things.

Not the point at all. But now that you bring the mass market audience into the equation... they are the ones that not even care about gaming in the first place (just look at the amount of Luna subscribers).

 

[solidus12]

I know this is a bit off topic but the other thread is kinda dead and I need confirmation.

Is this true?

If true I’ll buy a Series X in a heartbeat.