Especially when cortana will be useless without kinect.
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Microsoft FY2015 Q4: 1.4M 360+XBO Shipped
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Especially when cortana will be useless without kinect.
I just like following that aspect of the video game industry a lot so will read up on it.
MS need to address non-US/UK with the XO now if they consider another worldwide console launch - if they wait til then it feels like it would be already too late...
ps3ud0 8)
FYI we know The Order did over 100k in just ONE country in Europe.
Might wanna revise those numbers
A shame. That game is damn great.
Yeah, The Order definitely made more than 250k. Irrc, it did around that the first week or so. However, it took a massive nose dive following that first npd chart.
Sony acts as if the game doesn't exsist anymore. Funnily enough, RAD's new CEO said that the game reached its goal or something like that.
As much as I wanted The Order to succeed, I had a hard time believing that statement.
Sony acts as if the game doesn't exsist anymore. Funnily enough, RAD's new CEO said that the game reached its goal or something like that.
As much as I wanted The Order to succeed, I had a hard time believing that statement.
Grimgrillz
Banned
AC bundles were produced for a specific period so to still be selling that bundle a full 7/8 months down the line tells me one thing. . .
MS will never announce how many XBO's they sold to consumers. We're going to go an entire generation without them giving a specific number because as this point, it'll be detrimental to MS as a business and raise way too many questions as to their practices.
1 bundle of a third party game still not sold out after 8 months speaks volumes, literally.
The CEO said "well on its way" to reaching its goal. Whether it hits it or not or how far off it is is anyone's guess.
Ahh, you're right. Even worse.
Yeah, they need a base to build off of while this generation is going or it's just going to be a Japan situation where they didn't build on the Xbox 360's initial burst and felt the backlash hard on the next console.
It should be noted the operating loss is mostly attributed to the $7billion Nokia write down, correct?
All in all good results especially for Surface brand. Growth on Xbox is great news despite the naysayers and physical proof that Spencer is indeed turning the ship into a positive direction.
All in all good results especially for Surface brand. Growth on Xbox is great news despite the naysayers and physical proof that Spencer is indeed turning the ship into a positive direction.
I think you're being pessimistic regarding the XB1's sales. It should easily reach 45-50 million before it is discontinued IMO. Also, I think the PS4 will reach 120 million before it is discontinued.
fallingdove
Member
That physical proof (selling your box for $150 less than you did at launch) is super compelling. We all need to stand up and clap for the genius that Phill Spencer is.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Netherlands. You can get one for 369 euro's.
No way MS doesn't launch in late 2018, they'll wanna put XB1 behind them and get a jump on Sony again. This makes it that much more difficult for PS4 to get beyond 100m.
I realyl think last gen being so long was an anomoly.
All a comment like this does is show you're out of touch with reality (i.e. ignorant) and/or being flippant and antagonistic. Neither one is a good look on you.
I don't know how anyone on this message board could miss the big things like focusing the Xbox on games, removing Kinect, delivering monthly system updates addressing Xbox user feedback requests, and Spencer just generally being favored among Xbox fans.
It is a fantastic game. I think it takes too long to sink its hooks into the player.
I love Insomniac's games and SO was my most highly anticipated release last year, but I still struggled to care for it until about 5-6 hours. Those first few hours stretched over 3-4 months, because I just wasn't having that much fun. When it finally clicked with me then I couldn't put it down.
I still think SO will end up on Windows 10 PC in the near future.
It's disturbing to me that Sunset Overdrive didn't sell better. Hopefully more will discover the as the X1's user base grows.
DarthWalden
Banned
Well he was in charge of removing kinect (leading to 100$ off that isn't a loss for the company).
I don't know; They've pretty much gave up Europe, the Middle East, & Asia when they let go of their EMEA Xbox team while concentrating very hard on the U.S. & the UK.
Caipirinha
Member
Do you really think Nadella's Microsoft is going to bother with another home console? Really?
I honestly don't see the next XBox launching in late 2018. It's possible, but I just find it unlikely. Just think about it. Many games this gen have been delayed and if Microsoft starts the next gen too early, third party devs may not be ready to make the jump yet. I think the earliest we'll see the next gen consoles is 2019, but I'm expecting the PS5 to launch in late 2020.
TechMaster360
Banned
Isn't the bottom line that the Xbox division makes a profit, unless I'm reading the figures wrong the revenue looks pretty good - we all know the PS4 is going to sell the most consoles this gen anyway so why bother fighting over numbers
I remember you.
You used to go to DF threads and whine why people are taking about frame rates.
Is this basically your schtick?
Frank Serpico
Banned
Essentially making that entire feature useless as I assume the vast majority of Xbone owners don't have the Kinect bundle
Why would the next xbox launch before the PS5? That'll only give Sony another chance to 1 up them hardware. That's probably the worst move MS could make imo. Sony knows xbox is a true competitor now, they aren't going to launch later and weaker. I never understand it when people say this. Launching the next gen xbox before PS5 is suicide imo.
Xbox just needs to launch at the same time and build a powerful beast.
I am not sure Xbox ever made profit on their consoles. ( research development etc included )
Their numbers are always bundled with other groups.
Caipirinha
Member
The PS4 doesn't even make that much moolah for Sony, I'd say it's a safe bet to assume that the Xbone is running at a loss particularly considering the hardware and probable large decline in XBL subs coming from the 360.
The home console business just doesn't seem to be a particularly lucrative one unless you're going absolutely gangbusters a la PS2/Wii. Possibly the PS4 can reach those levels with boosts from VR, price cuts and the targeting of the kids market I see coming next year, but for the Xbox brand it seems to have always been elusive.
For that reason and for the "services over devices" philosophy of Nadella I wouldn't expect another traditional home console from Microsoft. It's possible but it would be quite an anomaly relative to the direction the company has been moving in since Ballmer left.
It's hard to say, especially since he made it clear they're not giving up on phones. He's stated his approach for first-party devices is to showcase a vibrant Windows eco system and create innovative examples for their manufacturing partners to follow.
I suppose it depends how much selling power he sees in first-party game IP for the Windows 10 ecosystem, how cross-buy/cross-play are working, what percentage of Windows store sales are games (and type of games), and where consumers are playing.
It's not hard for me to imagine the next Xbox is a small-form Windows 10 PC and they take the Steam machine approach.
TechMaster360
Banned
what has anything you just said got to do with my post?
He's saying you go into threads about numbers, and say numbers don't matter. Which is how your comment about fighting over numbers may be interpreted.
Phat Michael
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Christ dude. You need to get over it. You shouldn't be carrying this much hatred and resentment around it just isn't healthy.
The one year head start was one of the main reasons 360 did so well against the PS3 last gen.
Launching after Sony (PS2/Xbox) or with Sony (PS4/X1) hasn't worked out quite as well for them.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Probably because you seem to pop up in threads and say 'why are we talking about [thread title] in here when it should be about fun/games/Some other abstract concept/?' when you think MS are getting a bad time of it.
biglittleps
Member
How removing Kinect (its not available anymore in any bundles as they stopped selling completely) is not a loss for the company when they invested a lot of money in R&D to make and sell it? Even though they did not lose $100 by removing but they lost money spent in making Kinect as they almost stopped selling it.
If you count from the beginning of Microsoft's Xbox venture (ca. 1999 until now), they almost certainly are still in the red, by several billion dollars. If viewed separately, there is no way for Xbox One's sum total (expenditures versus income) to be positive at this point, either.
You could just say you agreed, the rest just appears to be "ammo"/"justification" to bait into some console war argument.
And the only time that Xbox as a whole had made big amounts of moolah for Microsoft, is FY 2011 because of Kinect. Even with that, as well as with them making profits from 2008 to 2013 within Xbox 360, it's still nowhere near enough to pull the Xbox brand out of the red.
If we look at things that way then isn't the market for console manufacturers pretty grim? Didn't PS3 wipe out all of the money made from PS1 and PS2? It's unlikely that PS4 has made back all the money on expenditures either.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
Citation needed.
I don't think that will be repeated though. Sony was just coming off the PS2 & I don't think anyone would have thought the next xbox would have been a true competitor to PS3. Different situations and different times, if the next xbox comes out before the PS5, I'd put every penny I own on the PS5 being more powerful which will only put MS back in the same situation as this gen. I really can't see it happening.
Microsoft lost $4 billion USD in four years with Xbox 1 (Forbes estimate from 2005).
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/26/forbes-xbox-lost-microsoft-4-billion-and-counting/
In January 2013, there was an estimate by an industry insider stating that Microsoft lost nearly $3 billion USD with Xbox 2.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbo...-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/
Some estimates are much higher: http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml
There was a report that Xbox 3 lost Microsoft $400 million USD in the first 8 months.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/xbox-one-has-raked-400-million-loss-microsoft-8-months-1460471
Now add the cost of creating and launching Xbox 3 (and don't forget about that $400 million USD NFL marketing deal).
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/26/forbes-xbox-lost-microsoft-4-billion-and-counting/
In January 2013, there was an estimate by an industry insider stating that Microsoft lost nearly $3 billion USD with Xbox 2.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbo...-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/
Some estimates are much higher: http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml
There was a report that Xbox 3 lost Microsoft $400 million USD in the first 8 months.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/xbox-one-has-raked-400-million-loss-microsoft-8-months-1460471
Now add the cost of creating and launching Xbox 3 (and don't forget about that $400 million USD NFL marketing deal).
There was a little more to it than just being first, but it was certainly an important factor.
The others, which made the year headstart even a bigger differential, were being at a much higher price, and for no demonstrable power differential aside from being able to play Blu-Ray movies, which is not even directly relevant to games (until later when the extra space started to play a role).
The trifecta of being
- late
- "relatively" underpowered
- $100 pricier
Will not happen again, unless Sony screws up big time.
Reading my own post though, it is interesting that MS thought they could do 2 of those 3 things thanks to Kinect...
That NFL marketing deal was for all MS and not only to Xbox?
demosthenes
Member
Yes that's why everyone in the nfl was using surfaces last year and all the nfl analysts and tv personalities were as well.
John Bender
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Chobel
Member
The difference in Hardware doesn't really matter when you have a bigger install-base and bigger game line-up (which will come from launching 1 year earlier), see PS2.
Alright, then disregard that one.
Still leaves however many billions Xbone cost to create and market, plus all the losses incurred due to premature price drops, expenditures to secure exclusives, etc.
demosthenes
Member
Yea they did that for the first couple of weeks.
joecanada
Member
there's more reasons generations last as long as they do than sales data. these companies spend bundles of money on R&D and to recoup that money they pump out games and sell systems and games and subs.... You don't just decide "hey we are going to cut our profits down even more and start designing a whole new box" on a whim... you are looking at never recovering that R&D money potentially and just getting further in the hole with each release. The longer the gen lasts the more potential to actually turn a profit. There's plenty of articles stating that xbox division has never made a dime on it's own, so what incentive do they have for starting design on yet another xbox now? and why exactly would a new xbox sell better in the first place?
So they lost less in 15 years with Xbox than they did in 2 with the Nokia purchase? lol