I'm not sure why anyone would be so sure of this.
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I'm not sure why anyone would be so sure of this.
DriftingSpirit
Member
The install base difference in the US was/is pretty minimal though. Even now it is only >1M.
Ōkami;225532325 said:
I have a hard time time seeing Spatoon 2 hitting 1m at launch and I don't know at what level its popularity is right now comparing to its glory days.
US is just a part of west. That split is more favorable for PS4.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Them move the games to handhelds, or at least make them multi platform.
I don't get this Sony/Square Enix crusade against handhelds in Japan.
Japanese gamers clearly want to game on handhelds, let them.
Who in Japan would want to buy a PS4 for DQXI when probably everyone interested already has a 3DS?
The reason the PS4 version exists is to "attempt" growth in western markets and probably grab some of the audience Ni No Kuni got on the PS3, not to boost hardware sales of the PS4 in Japan (though I'm sure that is what Sony hopes).
Silly Sammy. Gamers are clearly going to want to go back to consoles once they're done with handhelds and mobiles.
FFXV is multiplatform.
Sammy Samusu
Member
That's what you think. There's definitely some kind of synergy between FF and DQ.
SE is dead set on using PS4 to revive console gaming in Japan, and DQ is one of their tools. Sony is obviously interested in this evil scheme as well.
Not in Japan.
Eolz
Member
"somehow"? It will eat its lunch.
I doubt it will outsell it on PS4 (in japan only obviously) really...
Not in Japan.
DriftingSpirit
Member
It is releasing on X1 in Japan!
I didn't say it would outsell the 3DS version, I said it will outsell FF XV. Which it will, probably easily.
3DS version ordered and payed for that lunch though.
Well, the game is still pretty popular as it's still selling, if a Splatoon 2 came out on a platform people actually wanted with probably a sizeable ammount of its audience already on the platform (assuming rumoured enhanced port is a pack in) it might just be able to do it.
At least it could be pretty close, similar to how the two latest Smash Bros. games did.
We can see now that that is a fools errand. It will just end up hurting them more than helping.
Yeah, I edited that is what Sony is hoping for at least. Won't happen, though, especially if FFXV underperforms as hard as the predictions say.
in Japan too.
Week 48, 2016 (Nov 28 - Dec 4)
new releases
{2016.11.29}
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV # <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥8.800)
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV (1)(Deluxe Edition) <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥12.960)
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV (2)(Film Collections Box) <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥20.000)
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV (3)(Ultimate Collector's Edition) <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥32.407)
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV (4)(PlayStation 4 1TB Final Fantasy XV Luna Edition) <BUN> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) (¥39.980)
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV (ε_PS Store Download Version_ |DL| # <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥8.800)
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV (ε
[XB1] Final Fantasy XV # <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥8.800)
[XB1] Final Fantasy XV (1)(Deluxe Edition) <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥12.960)
[XB1] Final Fantasy XV (2)(Film Collections Box) <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥20.000)
[XB1] Final Fantasy XV (3)(Ultimate Collector's Edition) <RPG> (Square Enix) (¥32.407)
[XB1] Final Fantasy XV (ε
[XB1] The Crew: Calling All Units _Download Version_ |DL| <RCE> (Ubisoft) (¥3.000)
[XB1] The Crew: Ultimate Edition {The Crew \ The Crew: Wild Run \ The Crew: Calling All Units} _Download Version_ |DL| <RCE> (Ubisoft) (¥5.300)
There's also Dragon Quest XI but that will be on 3DS and Switch so yeah pretty much
Oh yeah I forgot about DQXI. The lack of news about it makes me forget lol.
If Switch version launches simultaneously with the others, hardware sales will possibly focus more on the newer one. I don't doubt the software sales, just that I'm not sure it can cause a momentum on PS4 sales if there's a competing platform that is either newer (Switch) or much more popular and cheaper (3DS).
DQXI is coming at 3DS (and Switch?). Even with only 3DS/PS4 versions how much do you think it will sell on PS4 since it will be so easy.
Huh, I thought it was cancelled.
Guess I'm thinking of something else.
I don't think this suggests that the people who switched to PlayStation in Europe this generation are a prime FF15 target audience simply because they bought a PlayStation.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Witcher was an Xbox series since Witcher 2 never made it to PS3. So the sales being higher makes sense. It also had the marketing deal.
Final Fantasy fans bought a PS3 expecting the game to be on that platform exclusively.
Millions of people bought a 360 over a PS3, especially in the early and middle parts of last generation because it was a better deal and the lead platform on most games. The same reason why many went for the PS4 over the XBONE. Those same people are only casually interested in Final Fantasy. The only pickups there should be globally are those that bought the 360 version of a XIII series game because that was the platform they had and liked it enough to buy XV on their new console of choice, the PS4. This is a drop in the bucket and likely to be completely unnoticed.
They could force larger shipments out, no? With incentives and such.
No, Japan is not west and there is a clear pattern with Final Fantasy sales last years so that retailers get fooled.
This is what I mean though.
The Witcher 1 was PC exclusive.
The Witcher 2 was a PC game with a late, low selling Xbox 360 port.
The Witcher 3 was a gigantic, 10+ million selling hit with gigantic console sales, including the hardware brand it never released on before and didn't have a marketing deal with, and even saw a strong uptick in early PC sales.
Is anyone here expecting Final Fantasy XV to find notable new audiences among people who haven't previously bought Final Fantasy games?
I think that selling notably less in Japan suggests it's not doing that domestically. I think the Xbox version going nowhere in the US casts doubt on that in the US. It's not like it's going to sell on PC because it's not on the platform. We don't really have a barometer for Europe, unfortunately.
If it's going to make up Japanese declines, it's got to find some previously unengaged audience somewhere, or be hugely successful at regaining lost fans from 15+ years ago.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
There are people i know who were never interested in final fantasy because of its turm based combat who are interested in XV. But that is probably off set by the fans that want it to be turn based.
Not gonna lie, im nervous for this game.
Not gonna lie, im nervous for this game.
If it starts 550-600k it has almost no chance at 1m lifetime much less by year's end.
Eolz
Member
I think both offsets you've highlighted would cancel each other if there wasn't seemingly a drop in mainstream interest in this franchise compared to before. At least that's what I've seen both here and on various other places.
Why would you be nervous though? It's not the end of FF nor JRPGs. Hopefully S-E will ask themselves some serious questions though.
Jon Carter
Member
I wonder if there is anyone at all that will buy the more expensive versions in particular on Xbox One.
Cool, Japanese market is not going down because POKEMON STAYS STRONG. Very convincing.
Is the Japanese market unique in that regard at this point, or was it just ahead of the curve?
The UK in particular seems to be heading in a similar direction.
Kresnik258
Member
I wonder why Bamco never did a Welcome Price release of Tales of Hearts R. They sold 15k of the re-release they did for Innocence R.
I also wonder why World Trigger is getting one when none of their previous Vita anime games have gotten them.
Still, outside of my little bubble of the Vita niche, weird to see FF cratering so much in Japan. I expect Resi VII to do much, much worse (in terms of % drop from previous entry) too.
I also wonder why World Trigger is getting one when none of their previous Vita anime games have gotten them.
Still, outside of my little bubble of the Vita niche, weird to see FF cratering so much in Japan. I expect Resi VII to do much, much worse (in terms of % drop from previous entry) too.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
See, I question if that 70/30 is just due to fanbases being spread (over several entries) rather than a new audience being attracted on a different platform. Its tough to differentiate and so I think the easiest indicator of a breakthrough would be by looking at PS4 numbers.
Do you know the split of console/PC for W3?
I don't see why anyone would base market health on the performance of one title, let alone an outlier.
UK is not even the biggest market in Europe. It's Germany now.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Its not just this year, almost every ps4 game hits the low end of its projection. This market has been absolutely devastated, and it hurts knowing that its only going to get worse.
I love japanese games and i dont want them to go away or to be delegated to mobile games.
Obviously they need to sell sexy costumes for all the characters.
I'm more prepared for (A) FFXVI handed to Eidos and going pure fantasy open world WRPG a la The Witcher/Elder Scrolls or (B) FFXVI on my iPhone.
No way, DQXI PS4 was clearly also intended to help drive Japanese PS4 sales and help build up the platform for FFXV and KH3 domestically. SE took an obvious throw-everything-at-it approach to PS4 to try and make it a success in Japan. Otherwise it wouldn't also be getting spinoffs like Heroes, Builders or Itadaki Street which are all doa in the west.
If it relied on western expansion alone then DQXI PS4 wouldn't be worth the development expense. As is DQVIII, DQIX and NNK all sold around the same already in the west.
Not that many it seems, at least in the US – http://venturebeat.com/2016/11/17/o...eld-mafia-and-gears-dominate-the-sales-chart/
Software sales:
Wow, really? Japan is also up Y-O-Y at October and will be up at November and December.
I am glad to hear.
Sounds like a fuller Tomodachi RPG. Could go either way I think.
michaelius
Banned
Aren't those fighting games ported to consoles just as side project/promotion of brand with most of cash done on arcades?
Or at least that's the only reason I can think of seeing stream of releases that sell <100k with BB or GG or other even more niche stuff.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Which games are you talking about ?
As for FF things not look good and i had hope.
I guess that is what happen when you mess up your IP for so many years .
Don't see the west help saving this either since a boy band going across the country not going to cut it.
And with what i reading about FFXV it does nothing to help get the IP back on track in the west or Japan .
Eolz
Member
Above France as well? Thought that they were about the same size.
Dissidia Xtreme Beach confirmed.