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[Grimmy]

Its never going to be Sting most successful game since their Dreamcast title Evolution did over 100k. However as I showed, their Dept. Heaven series only has 10-15k starts, so a 20k first shipment isn't anywhere close to "abysmal preorder numbers" because its actually a pretty reasonable number for them.

Ugh, again, my comment was in direct response to slaughterking's assertion. So I have no idea what you're talking about now? My whole point is that Gungnir will definitely not be Sting's most successful game. And I'm not comparing it to other Sting games - I'm just talking generally. 20k is pretty abysmal, though not dire like BLAZE UNION's sales. Just because Sting sells low numbers doesn't make it look any better. Heck, if I consider GachiTora!'s sales abysmal, then Gungnir is definitely abysmal. If Yggdra Union PSP managed 45k as a GBA port, then I don't know how you cannot view 20k as being below par.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Ugh, again, my comment was in direct response to slaughterking's assertion. So I have no idea what you're talking about now? My whole point is that Gungnir will definitely not be Sting's most successful game. And I'm not comparing it to other Sting games - I'm just talking generally. 20k is pretty abysmal, though not dire like BLAZE UNION's sales. Just because Sting sells low numbers doesn't make it look any better. Heck, if I consider GachiTora!'s sales abysmal, then Gungnir is definitely abysmal. If Yggdra Union PSP managed 45k as a GBA port, then I don't know how you cannot view 20k as being below par.

I'm not following you either. You say you're talking generally not comparing it to other Sting games just as you keep comparing them. 20k is generally low? Yes. Is 20k low for Sting? No, its right on their general performance. You also keep using an LTD to compare with a first shipment estimate, and no regular LTD but the highest of six Dept. Heaven games, and even that one still only did <22k first week, which is also the upper range of the six. Just how is a 20k first shipment below par when the 6 comparable games did 5, 9, 13, 17, 17 and 22k in their first week. How big do you think those 6 titles first shipments were.

 

[Grimmy]

GachiTora! isn't a Sting game. And you yourself admit that 20k is low if compared to games generally. I only brought back Yggdra as an example, but I still stand by my assertion overall. So what are we disputing? Semantics? That's hardly anything worth disagreeing over.

 

[VerTiGo]

Shadow Wars for the 3DS should drop the Tom Clancy and Ghost Recon from the title. Would've worked for the better to market the game overseas.

 

[big_z]

I am still wondering why Nintendo did not have Animal Crossing at launch.
That helped make the DS a beast

Once animal crossing, Mario and marios kart arrive sales will increase a lot. I think 3ds is selling okay considering there's nothing to play on it.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Once animal crossing, Mario and marios kart arrive sales will increase a lot. I think 3ds is selling okay considering there's nothing to play on it.

That's like Sony level excuses though.

For the next platform from Nintendo after the DS, this is more than a disappointing start. It might pick up, just like DS sales did, but for the successor to the DS this should be more than worrisome for Nintendo. It hasn't caught fire in any region.

 

[donny2112]

Famitsu Mar 28-Apr 3

01./00. [NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Professional (Square Enix) - 168,740 / NEW
02./00. [PSP] Amagami (BEST) (Kadokawa Shoten) - 89,672 / NEW
03./01. [PSP] Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection (Square Enix) - 29,503 / 131,016 (-71%)
04./00. [PSP] BlazBlue: Continuum Shift II (Arc System Works) - 24,310 / NEW
05./02. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 23,915 / 399,287 (-41%)
06./00. [PS2] Amagami (BEST) (Kadokawa Shoten) - 21,059 / NEW
07./00. [3DS] Pro Baseball Famista 2011 (Namco Bandai Games) - 13,234 / NEW
08./07. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 12,946 / 4,385,128 (-4%)
09./04. [PSP] Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy (Square Enix) - 12,520 / 426,647 (-32%)
10./06. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 10,947 / 256,714 (-35%)

11./08. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 10,545 / 178,322 (-22%)
12./09. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 9,682 / 319,404 (-17%)
13./00. [PS3] Crysis 2 (Electronic Arts Victor) - 9,085 / NEW
14./00. [3DS] Naruto Shippuden: Ninrattai Emaki! Saikyou Ninkai Kessen!! (Takara Tomy) - 7,066 / NEW
15./11. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 6,676 / 5,155,698 (-15%)
16./12. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 6,383 / 3,117,858 (-13%)
17./10. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 6,152 / 315,998 (-23%)
18./00. [PSP] Oneechanbara Special (D3 Publisher) - 6,150 / NEW
19./03. [3DS] Gundam the 3D Battle (Namco Bandai Games) - 6,016 / 25,572 (-69%)
20./16. [PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 5,748 / 37,555 (-3%)
21./00. [PSP] Clover no Kuni no Alice (QuinRose) - 5,652 / NEW
22./15. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 5,616 / 1,832,473 (-15%)
23./00. [3DS] BlazBlue: Continuum Shift II (Arc System Works) - 5,550 / NEW
24./25. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 5,186 / 6,108,141 (+4%)
25./13. [PS3] Way of the Samurai 4 (Spike) - 4,946 / 117,665 (-26%)
26./21. [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo) - 4,577 / 886,470 (-15%)
27./19. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 4,553 / 4,204,055 (-16%)
28./00. [360] Crysis 2 (Electronic Arts Victor) - 4,475 / NEW
29./24. [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo) - 4,398 / 898,901 (-12%)
30./14. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom) - 4,334 / 85,899 (-35%)



Famitsu Apr 4-10

01./00. [PSP] The Chikyuu Boueigun 2 Portable (Earth Defense Force 2) (D3 Publisher) - 54,812 / NEW
02./01. [NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Professional (Square Enix) - 32,890 / 201,630 (-81%)
03./03. [PSP] Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection (Square Enix) - 18,763 / 149,779 (-36%)
04./02. [PSP] Amagami (BEST) (Kadokawa Shoten) - 14,889 / 104,561 (-83%)
05./05. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 13,300 / 412,587 (-44%)
06./11. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 10,533 / 188,855 (0%)
07./00. [NDS] Kimi ni Todoke (Reaching You): Communicate Feelings (Namco Bandai Games) - 10,510 / NEW
08./08. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 9,589 / 4,394,717 (-26%)
09./09. [PSP] Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy (Square Enix) - 7,726 / 434,373 (-38%)
10./00. [PSP] Are You Alice? (Idea Factory) - 7,507 / NEW

11./10. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 7,051 / 263,765 (-36%)
12./12. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 7,032 / 326,436 (-27%)
13./16. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 6,533 / 3,124,391 (+2%)
14./00. [PSP] Princess Frontier Portable (Alchemist) - 6,053 / NEW
15./22. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 5,967 / 1,838,440 (+6%)
16./04. [PSP] BlazBlue: Continuum Shift II (Arc System Works) - 5,746 / 30,056 (-76%)
17./15. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 5,505 / 5,161,203 (-18%)
18./13. [PS3] Crysis 2 (Electronic Arts Victor) - 5,112 / 14,197 (-44%)
19./00. [360] Bullet Soul: Tama Tamashii (5pb) - 4,976 / NEW
20./07. [3DS] Pro Baseball Famista 2011 (Namco Bandai Games) - 4,470 / 17,704 (-66%)
21./24. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 4,458 / 6,112,599 (-14%)
22./27. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 4,339 / 4,208,394 (-5%)
23./20. [PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 4,147 / 41,702 (-28%)
24./26. [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo) - 4,076 / 890,546 (-11%)
25./17. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 3,815 / 319,813 (-38%)
26./29. [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo) - 3,778 / 902,679 (-14%)
27./25. [PS3] Way of the Samurai 4 (Spike) - 3,734 / 121,399 (-25%)
28./14. [3DS] Naruto Shippuden: Ninrattai Emaki! Saikyou Ninkai Kessen!! (Takara Tomy) - 3,721 / 10,787 (-47%)
29./00. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 3: World Challenge! The Ogre (Level 5) - 3,513 / 408,704
30./06. [PS2] Amagami (BEST) (Kadokawa Shoten) - 3,463 / 24,522 (-84%)



Famitsu Apr 11-17

01./00. [PSP] Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Taisen Z Hakai-hen (Namco Bandai Games) - 280,896 / NEW
02./00. [PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 93,646 / NEW
03./00. [PSP] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 74,888 / NEW
04./02. [NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Professional (Square Enix) - 66,147 / 267,777 (+101%)
05./00. [PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) - 62,091 / NEW
06./00. [3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) - 27,729 / NEW
07./00. [PS3] Homefront (Spike) - 20,734 / NEW
08./01. [PSP] The Chikyuu Boueigun 2 Portable (Earth Defense Force 2) (D3 Publisher) - 13,790 / 68,602 (-75%)
09./00. [3DS] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 12,071 / NEW
10./03. [PSP] Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection (Square Enix) - 8,480 / 158,259 (-55%)

11./05. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 7,539 / 420,126 (-43%)
12./06. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 6,579 / 195,434 (-38%)
13./08. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 6,246 / 4,400,963 (-35%)
14./04. [PSP] Amagami (BEST) (Kadokawa Shoten) - 6,091 / 110,652 (-59%)
15./00. [360] Homefront (Spike) - 6,018 / NEW
16./13. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 4,964 / 3,129,355 (-24%)
17./11. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 4,837 / 268,602 (-31%)
18./12. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity (SEGA) - 4,612 / 331,048 (-34%)
19./09. [PSP] Dissidia 012: Duodecim Final Fantasy (Square Enix) - 4,577 / 438,950 (-41%)
20./15. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 4,475 / 1,842,915 (-25%)
21./17. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 4,377 / 5,165,580 (-20%)
22./18. [PS3] Crysis 2 (Electronic Arts Victor) - 4,170 / 18,367 (-18%)
23./21. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 3,742 / 6,116,341 (-16%)
24./22. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 3,715 / 4,212,109 (-14%)
25./24. [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo) - 3,529 / 894,075 (-13%)
26./07. [NDS] Kimi ni Todoke (Reaching You): Communicate Feelings (Namco Bandai Games) - 3,462 / 13,972 (-67%)
27./00. [360] Cross Channel: In Memory Of All People (CyberFront) - 3,339 / NEW
28./26. [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo) - 3,332 / 906,011 (-12%)
29./29. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 3: World Challenge! The Ogre (Level 5) - 2,869 / 411,573 (-18%)
30./25. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World (Namco Bandai Games) - 2,668 / 322,481 (-30%)



Famitsu Apr 18-24

01./00. [NDS] Battle & Get! Pokemon Typing DS (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 50,580 / NEW
02./04. [NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Professional (Square Enix) - 35,640 / 303,417 (-46%)
03./01. [PSP] Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Taisen Z Hakai-hen (Namco Bandai Games) - 34,746 / 315,642 (-88%)
04./03. [PSP] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 26,307 / 101,195 (-65%)
05./02. [PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 23,336 / 116,982 (-75%)
06./00. [NDS] Meitantei Conan: Aoki Houseki no Rinbukyoku (Namco Bandai Games) - 16,570 / NEW
07./00. [PS3] SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs (SCEI) - 15,051 / NEW
08./00. [PSP] GachiTora! Abarenbou Kyoushi in High School (Spike) - 13,431 / NEW
09./05. [PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) - 10,158 / 72,249 (-84%)
10./06. [3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) - 10,043 / 37,772 (-64%)

11./00. [360] Otomedius X (Excellent!) (Konami) - 9,376 / NEW
12./00. [NDS] Original Story from Fairy Tail: Gekitotsu! Kardia Daiseidou (Hudson) - 8,492 / NEW
13./00. [360] Monster Hunter Frontier (Online Forward 1 Premium Package) (Capcom) - 8,447 / NEW
14./00. [PS3] Clannad (Prototype) - 7,938 / NEW
15./08. [PSP] The Chikyuu Boueigun 2 Portable (Earth Defense Force 2) (D3 Publisher) - 7,646 / 76,248 (-45%)
16./07. [PS3] Homefront (Spike) - 6,144 / 26,878 (-70%)
17./10. [PSP] Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection (Square Enix) - 6,132 / 164,391 (-28%)
18./13. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 5,929 / 4,406,892 (-5%)
19./12. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 5,733 / 201,167 (-13%)
20./16. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 4,936 / 3,134,291 (-1%)
21./00. [PSP] S.Y.K Renshouden (Journey to the West) Portable (Idea Factory) - 4,855 / NEW
22./14. [PSP] Amagami (BEST) (Kadokawa Shoten) - 4,721 / 115,373 (-22%)
23./20. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 4,422 / 1,847,337 (-1%)
24./21. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 4,418 / 5,169,998 (+1%)
25./11. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 4,232 / 424,358 (-44%)
26./00. [WII] Billy's Boot Camp Wii: Enjoy the Diet! (Rocket Company) - 4,148 / NEW
27./00. [WII] Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's: Duel Transer (Konami) - 4,088 / NEW
28./17. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 3,964 / 272,566 (-18%)
29./24. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 3,662 / 4,215,771 (-1%)
30./09. [3DS] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 3,197 / 15,268 (-74%)



Famitsu Apr 25-May 1

01./00. [PSP] Saigo no Yakusoku no Monogatari (Final Promise Story) (Image Epoch) - 57,023 / NEW
02./00. [PSP] Patapon 3 (SCEI) - 49,489 / NEW
03./00. [PS3] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition Entertainment) - 45,908 / NEW
04./02. [NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Professional (Square Enix) - 45,611 / 349,028 (+28%)
05./01. [NDS] Battle & Get! Pokemon Typing DS (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 30,084 / 80,664 (-41%)
06./03. [PSP] Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Taisen Z Hakai-hen (Namco Bandai Games) - 21,582 / 337,224 (-38%)
07./04. [PSP] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 21,105 / 122,300 (-20%)
08./00. [PSP] Starry * Sky: In Winter Portable (Asgard) - 16,309 / NEW
09./05. [PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2011 (Konami) - 15,151 / 132,133 (-35%)
10./00. [PSP] Otome wa Oneesama Boku ni Koishiteru Portable: Futari no Elders (Alchemist) - 9,511 / NEW

11./00. [360] El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron (Ignition Entertainment) - 8,617 / NEW
12./07. [PS3] SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs (SCEI) - 7,820 / 22,871 (-48%)
13./06. [NDS] Meitantei Conan: Aoki Houseki no Rinbukyoku (Namco Bandai Games) - 7,803 / 24,373 (-53%)
14./19. [3DS] Nintendogs + cats (Nintendo) - 7,796 / 208,963 (+36%)
15./00. [NDS] Hakuouki: Yuugi Roku DS (Idea Factory) - 7,605 / NEW
16./08. [PSP] GachiTora! Abarenbou Kyoushi in High School (Spike) - 7,540 / 20,971 (-44%)
17./10. [3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) - 7,452 / 45,224 (-26%)
18./18. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd (Capcom) - 7,442 / 4,414,334 (+26%)
19./20. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 6,981 / 3,141,272 (+41%)
20./15. [PSP] The Chikyuu Boueigun 2 Portable (Earth Defense Force 2) (D3 Publisher) - 6,532 / 82,780 (-15%)
21./17. [PSP] Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection (Square Enix) - 6,473 / 170,864 (+6%)
22./24. [NDS] Pokemon Black/White (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 6,190 / 5,176,188 (+40%)
23./09. [PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) - 6,159 / 78,408 (-39%)
24./23. [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo) - 5,968 / 1,853,305 (+35%)
25./29. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 5,197 / 4,220,968 (+42%)
26./00. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 4,667 / 6,124,170
27./28. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level 5) - 4,527 / 277,093 (+14%)
28./25. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 6 (Koei-Tecmo) - 4,113 / 428,471 (-3%)
29./16. [PS3] Homefront (Spike) - 3,977 / 30,855 (-35%)
30./22. [PSP] Amagami (BEST) (Kadokawa Shoten) - 3,927 / 119,300 (-17%)



Recent Famitsu Top 30s

Mar 21-27, 2011

 

[evilromero]

That's like Sony level excuses though.

For the next platform from Nintendo after the DS, this is more than a disappointing start. It might pick up, just like DS sales did, but for the successor to the DS this should be more than worrisome for Nintendo. It hasn't caught fire in any region.

I agree. It would've been in Nintendo's interest to have an adventure game available at launch. All these titles like Nintendogs, Steel Diver and Pilotwings are the kind of games we buy with Mario or Zelda. In other words, they're support titles.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I agree. It would've been in Nintendo's interest to have an adventure game available at launch. All these titles like Nintendogs, Steel Diver and Pilotwings are the kind of games we buy with Mario or Zelda. In other words, they're support titles.

I still stand firm that the price is what is really hurting it right now. The Earthquake did them no favors, but I think in light of it the price was a bad move.

 

[AniHawk]

hardware and software prices, really.

$200 system with $35 games.

 

[cvxfreak]

hardware and software prices, really.

$200 system with $35 games.

More like $300 system and $70 games.

Thanks US dollar!

 

[evilromero]

It's also hard to sell a system that at first glance looks just like its predecessor.

 

[rpmurphy]

It's also hard to sell a system that at first glance looks just like its predecessor.

So then, how does the sales of the 3DS compare with those of DSi's and DSi XL's launches?

 

[Thunder Monkey]

It's also hard to sell a system that at first glance looks just like its predecessor.

And its biggest defining feature is almost purely visual.

Any way you slice it, this is going to be an interesting handheld generation.

 

[evilromero]

So then, how does the sales of the 3DS compare with those of DSi's and DSi XL's launches?

You're comparing the launch of an iterative release of an established system to that of a brand new one? Well, the DSi sold over 170,000 units on its first two days of sale in Japan. Not sure how it did over the next three months though. But does it really matter?

 

[AdventureRacing]

I still stand firm that the price is what is really hurting it right now. The Earthquake did them no favors, but I think in light of it the price was a bad move.

The price is only an issue right now because there is no compelling software. If the 3DS had launched with a better software line-up i don't think the current price would have been much of a problem if at all.

As is they are trying to sell an expensive piece of hardware with few if any good games (and they are priced highly as well).

The question is when their big software finally does come to the market will it have as much of an impact as it would have if it was released straight away.

 

[Momo]

11. / 10. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (Capcom) {2010.12.01} - 9.019 / 4.466.245 (-16%)

Still amazes me everytime I see it. I'm glad Japan has good taste.

 

[rpmurphy]

You're comparing the launch of an iterative release of an established system to that of a brand new one? Well, the DSi sold over 170,000 units on its first two days of sale in Japan. Not sure how it did over the next three months though. But does it really matter?

Yeah, I know about the issues with the comparison, but if there truly is a significant problem with people thinking that the 3DS is another DS model, then shouldn't it share some similarities in the sales trends? I mean, how would you gauge its importance among all the other factors being speculated?

 

[test_account]

Wholesalers preorders. If he said 20k the real number won't be far from that.

Ok, thanks

That's like Sony level excuses though.

Hasnt this excuse been used for pretty much all systems that has preformed under expectation though? "When the software comes out, then hardware sales will increase".

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Good marketing = good first week sales, the game doesn't have anything to sustain legs though, trade in prices have crashed, the game is filled up in used sales. (still compare the game to god of war 3/ everything else in the genre except bayonetta and DMC4) and you can consider it impressive.

They should have added multiplayer and DLC support to El Shaddai.

 

[m.i.s.]

The price is only an issue right now because there is no compelling software. If the 3DS had launched with a better software line-up i don't think the current price would have been much of a problem if at all.

As is they are trying to sell an expensive piece of hardware with few if any good games (and they are priced highly as well).

The question is when their big software finally does come to the market will it have as much of an impact as it would have if it was released straight away.

Do we have to go through this again?

Is it just a coincidence that the most successful systems launch at relatively stable, fixed price points such as Gameboy (79.99 / 89.99) or DS (99.99 / 129.99). Yes, the price of the DS has been creeping up but the basic system was always at the initial launch price.

Or what about this: Playstation (launched Sept 95, 299.99) Playstation2 (launched Sept 2000, also 299.99)

All the evidence suggests that high price points of handheld games such as the PSP simply do no sell well if at all.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

So then, how does the sales of the 3DS compare with those of DSi's and DSi XL's launches?

Is it just a coincidence that the most successful systems launch at relatively stable, fixed price points such as Gameboy (79.99 / 89.99) or DS (99.99 / 129.99). Yes, the price of the DS has been creeping up but the basic system was always at the initial launch price.

It's easy to say in hindsight what price point will work, because we've seen it work. DS wasn't following a Game Boy trend--it launched for significantly higher and not everyone was sure it would pan out.

 

[king zell]

Suzumiya Haruhi no Tsuisou PS3/PSP this week biggest release

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/25091/

Steel Diver hit's japan

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/25086/

 

[Chris1964]

Price isn't 3DS biggest problem right now.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Nipponichi full earnings report:
https://www.release.tdnet.info/inbs/140120110502009493.pdf
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/13/nippon_ichi_earnings_up/

Operating income: 315m yen (last year -235m yen)
Sales: 2217m yen (+4,4%)

In its earnings statement, the company made mention of strong domestic sales. The majority of releases sold beyond expectations, it said, without giving title-by-title breakdowns. Nippon Ichi released nine titles domestically last year, seven new, one a port and one a budget release.
...
For the current fiscal year, the company expects a 3.2% increase in sales to 2,289 million yen, but a 66% drop in operating income to 107 million yen.
...
It plans on releasing 3DS and NGP titles this year, it said.

Back in black, made up losses from last year and then some profit. Nice for them. I wonder what they plan to release before April 2012 for NGP.

 

[Acosta]

Nipponichi full earnings report:
https://www.release.tdnet.info/inbs/140120110502009493.pdf
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/13/nippon_ichi_earnings_up/

Operating income: 315m yen (last year -235m yen)
Sales: 2217m yen (+4,4%)

Back in black, made up losses from last year and then some profit. Nice for them. I wonder what they plan to release before April 2012 for NGP.

Nippon ICHI! yay!

Never doubt the power of dood, doomsayers!

In celebration, my favourite Disgaea song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jran9nT3690&feature=related

 

[radioheadrule83]

It's easy to say in hindsight what price point will work, because we've seen it work. DS wasn't following a Game Boy trend--it launched for significantly higher and not everyone was sure it would pan out.

It has a similarly depressed curve to that of DSi LL -- I'm wondering if its a bit of DS brand fatigue, and people percieving it as basically an extension of the original DS line without properly understanding the benefits over its predecessor. It could be that Nintendo has overmilked the DS teat, and now needs to properly differentiate 3DS to make it sell... they should really start forcing people to upgrade, stop selling the old systems if necessary. They shouldn't choose to compete with 3+ different models (lite / DSi / LL) of their own device when 3DS plays games from them all.

good software releases will help. I'm sure they've got plans to improve this situation..

 

[mclem]

I'm wondering about Nintendogs. It does *look* like it's fitting the legs model; modest early sales, but they just keep coming. That said, I'm wondering if Golden Week is creating a false impression, there.

 

[m.i.s.]

Mods: please delete

 

[Road]

Falcom half-year results: http://www.falcom.co.jp/kaisya/ir/result_pdf/2011_2Q.pdf

Net Income: 15 million yen (~186,000 dollars...)

 

[Interfectum]

Once animal crossing, Mario and marios kart arrive sales will increase a lot. I think 3ds is selling okay considering there's nothing to play on it.

So just wait for the same old bullshit from Nintendo and it'll eventually sell... I don't think that trend is going to be repeated too many more times.

 

[Chris1964]

21. / 27. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle (Level 5) {2011.02.26}
22. / 36. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) {2006.05.25}
23. / 34. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) {2009.10.01}
24. / 18. [PSP] GachiTora! Abarenbou Kyoushi in High School (Spike) {2011.04.21}
25. / 23. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) {2011.03.10}
26. / 26. [PSP] Amagami (EBKore+) (Kadokawa Shoten) {2011.03.31}
27. / 42. [NDS] Magician's Quest: The Merchant’s Store of Sorcery (Konami) {2010.11.11}
28. / 31. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2: Infinity (Sega) {2011.02.24}
29. / 47. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 3: World Challenge!! The Ogre (Level 5) {2010.12.16}
30. / 40. [WII] Momotaro Railway 2010: Sengoku Ishin no Hero Daishuugou! no Maki [Everyone's Recommendation Selection] (Hudson) {2011.01.20}
31. / 00. [WII] Super Mario All-Stars (Nintendo) {2010.10.21}
32. / 41. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011 (Konami) {2010.11.18}
33. / 46. [NDS] Friend Collection (Nintendo) {2009.06.18}
34. / 00. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) {2005.12.08}
35. / 00. [WII] Mario Sports Mix (Nintendo) {2010.11.25}
36. / 49. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii 3 (Bandai Namco) {2010.12.02}
37. / 44. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo) {2008.01.31}
38. / 24. [PS3] SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs 4 (SCE) {2011.04.21}
39. / 39. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011 (Konami) {2010.10.28}
40. / 00. [NDS] One Piece: Gigant Battle (Bandai Namco) {2010.09.09}
41. / 25. [PSP] Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Atlus Co.) {2011.04.14}
42. / 38. [WII] Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles [Best Price!] (Capcom) {2011.04.21}
43. / 45. [PSP] Monster Hunter Diary: Pokapoka Ailu Village [PSP the Best] (Capcom) {2011.04.21}
44. / 00. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS: Dororon! Battle With the Ghouls!! (Bandai Namco) {2010.07.01}
45. / 35. [PSP] Dissidia: 012 (Duodecim) Final Fantasy (Square Enix) {2011.03.03}
46. / 37. [NDS] Original Story from Fairy Tail: Gekitotsu! Kardia Daiseidou (Hudson) {2011.04.21}
47. / 43. [PS3] Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition [PlayStation 3 the Best] (Capcom) {2010.11.11}
48. / 00. [PSP] Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker [PSP the Best] (Konami) {2011.02.24}
49. / 00. [NDS] Dragon Ball: Ultimate Fighter (Bandai Namco) {2011.02.03}
50. / 00. [NDS] Tamagotchi no Narikiri Challenge (Bandai Namco) {2010.11.11}


PSP - 15
NDS - 14
WII - 12
PS3 - 6
3DS - 3
360 - 0
PS2 - 0


SOFTWARE

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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year |        YTD |   Last YTD |            
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|  ALL  |   697.000 |   885.000 | 1.071.699 | 16.681.000 | 20.781.010 |       
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[Khrno]

I wonder what they plan to release before April 2012 for NGP.

Disgaea 3 Portable, of course.

 

[added_time]

So just wait for the same old bullshit from Nintendo and it'll eventually sell... I don't think that trend is going to be repeated too many more times.

I see what you are getting at but I think certain games like Pokemon, Mario and Mario Kart are just insanely popular. They don't ensure a system is first place (see Gamecube or N64) but they do mean it would have to sell at least an amount that keeps it from being a total failure.

However, I think a lot of people are forgetting that what really made the DS stomp the PSP wasn't all the old standby franchises but the new ideas that came out of nowhere - like the Brain Age phenomenon. I am starting to seriously doubt that Nintendo is even trying to come up with something out of left field like that for the 3DS. Hopefully I am wrong though.

 

[Chris1964]

Saturday release for Inazuma Eleven Strikers? Ahaha.

 

[Daschysta]

I see what you are getting at but I think certain games like Pokemon, Mario and Mario Kart are just insanely popular. They don't ensure a system is first place (see Gamecube or N64) but they do mean it would have to sell at least an amount that keeps it from being a total failure.

However, I think a lot of people are forgetting that what really made the DS stomp the PSP wasn't all the old standby franchises but the new ideas that came out of nowhere - like the Brain Age phenomenon. I am starting to seriously doubt that Nintendo is even trying to come up with something out of left field like that for the 3DS. Hopefully I am wrong though.

They may not need to honestly. Games like Mario Kart, the inevitable 2d mario that will come out, and Pokemon should be nearly enough, and of course they will still release things like nintendogs animal crossing and brain training. You also have to think that nintendo will be able to get monster hunter on the platform in some capacity, and ninty is now the platform for dragon quest etc.... If any of this is coupled with a 50 dollar/ yen equivalent price drop the 3DS should take off.

Plus the Market has kindof rejected the 250 dollar price point, and does anyone think that the NGP is going to be anything less than at least 300 dollars? Plus it's also launching with system sellers that are only really popular in the west. Games like wipeout and Uncharted are awesome, but won't sell it in japan.

 

[jcm]

Plus the Market has kindof rejected the 250 dollar price point, and does anyone think that the NGP is going to be anything less than at least 300 dollars?

I do. I think it will launch at $250. I also think that the market will reject it, though, so I don't disagree with your overall point.

 

[Daschysta]

They would definitely be smart to do so... But they would have to be taking heavy losses at 250, and if the market STILL rejects it, that could be pretty devastating, especially since sony is banking on the handheld market so heavily in their future video game division plans.

Also god help them if they don't keep Monster Hunter exclusive, or if the 3DS gets the first new monster hunter.

The PSP monster hunter audience would have to buy it, and that type of game can only get more sales from pokemon fans who would surely try it out simply based on the impression that it's similar to pokemon (even if it isn't).

 

[°°ToMmY°°]

They would definitely be smart to do so... But they would have to be taking heavy losses at 250, and if the market STILL rejects it, that could be pretty devastating, especially since sony is banking on the handheld market so heavily in their future video game division plans.

Also god help them if they don't keep Monster Hunter exclusive, or if the 3DS gets the first new monster hunter.

The PSP monster hunter audience would have to buy it, and that type of game can only get more sales from pokemon fans who would surely try it out simply based on the impression that it's similar to pokemon (even if it isn't).

you're really making a lot of shit up.

 

[Daschysta]

you're really making a lot of shit up.

It's called speculation, of course I'm not presuming to speak fact...

However you would have to think that the profit margins wouldn't be particularly good releasing a handheld that can produce PS3 level visuals with other expensive parts at only 250 dollars, a price which has already hurt the successor to a much more successful console, with games that appeal primarily to the western market, which was the PSP's weakest...

Also I see no reason why monster hunter wouldn't sell as well on the 3DS as it did on the PSP, provided the game is an exclusive of some sort as the 3DS is more powerful than the PSP, can replicate the control scheme from those games, has the online to do it, and has the added benefit of the fans of other monster capture games that are popular on the nintendo systems.

Also has Sony not stated that they believe the market is moving in the direction of Handhelds and that the NGP is crucially important to their business model moving forward? I'm pretty sure that they have, though I could be wrong.

 

[°°ToMmY°°]

It's called speculation, of course I'm not presuming to speak fact...

However you would have to think that the profit margins wouldn't be particularly good releasing a handheld that can produce PS3 level visuals with other expensive parts at only 250 dollars, a price which has already hurt the successor to a much more successful console, with games that appeal primarily to the western market, which was the PSP's weakest...

Also I see no reason why monster hunter wouldn't sell as well on the 3DS as it did on the PSP, provided the game is an exclusive of some sort as the 3DS is more powerful than the PSP, can replicate the control scheme from those games, has the online to do it, and has the added benefit of the fans of other monster capture games that are popular on the nintendo systems.

Also has Sony not stated that they believe the market is moving in the direction of Handhelds and that the NGP is crucially important to their business model moving forward? I'm pretty sure that they have, though I could be wrong.

you seriously think in japan pokemon fans aren't in touch with monster hunter? it's not like people who own a DS don't own a psp, especially considering both pokemon and monster hunter are social phenomenons with lots and lots of visibility.

NGP manufacturing costs are probably lower than psp at launch and that thing launched at 250. i'm not saying ngp is going to be cheaper than 250, since sony doesn't want to take a blood bath on it. the fact 3ds costs 250 doesn't mean anything, since it's been said to cost around 70 to manufacture and sony could sell its console at a break even price without incurring in big losses per console sold. don't forget another thing, sony produces much of its components in house without recurring to third parties companies that get a margin on every component sold. if the screen, the cameras, the circuitry, the media format and others things are developed and built in house by sony, they're going to spend less than what nintendo would if it was to license those same components.

 

[Grimmy]

Falcom half-year results: http://www.falcom.co.jp/kaisya/ir/result_pdf/2011_2Q.pdf

Net Income: 15 million yen (~186,000 dollars...)

Thanks - good news.

 

[Chris1964]

Golden Ween software sales from wazap (we are still not sure where they are coming from but speculation is Media Create top 100)

NDS - 145.000
PSP - 138.000
WII - 92.000
PS3 - 60.000
3DS - 39.000
360 - 1.000

 

[apujanata]

Golden Ween software sales from wazap (we are still not sure where they are coming from but speculation is Media Create top 100)

NDS - 145.000
PSP - 138.000
WII - 92.000
PS3 - 60.000
3DS - 39.000
360 - 1.000

Is it software, or is it hardware ?

 

[Sammy Samusu]

DQMJ2 sure is a surprise hit.

Is it software, or is it hardware ?

"Golden Ween software sales."

 

[apujanata]

DQMJ2 sure is a surprise hit.


"Golden Ween software sales."

Problem is, I am not sure it is truly software. Hence my question. It looks like it could be H/W #.

 

[Chris1964]

DQMJ2 sure is a surprise hit.

There will be some more surprise hits for DS as software releases were abysmal for the first half and its users have almost nothing new to play.

Is it software, or is it hardware ?

wazap lists the numbers as Media Create software and they seem to come from top 100.
Sum of them is 475.000 when total software is 697.000. But there is a good possibilitty they alter the numbers a bit aka drill.blog.

 

[duckroll]

There will be some more surprise hits for DS as software releases were abysmal for the first half and its users have almost nothing new to play.

Devil Survivor 2 will sell over 200k?!

 

[Chris1964]

Devil Survivor 2 will sell over 200k?!

No but Camping Mama will.

 

[Madao]

to be fair, the N64 and GC didn't have the luxury of having a 2D Mario or a mainline Pokemon game, so we don't know if those could have lifted those systems to more respectable sales. Mario Kart didn't became this massive until the DS installment so it wasn't a savior at the time either and 3D Mario has been much less popular than 2D Mario.

it would be really surprising if the 3DS fails when all those big hitters appear. even a system that has survived on first party alone like the Wii has a pretty big sales total despite being in such a bad situation now.

the 3DS came out way too early imo. they should have waited until more software was ready. the NGP wasn't even going to launch head-to-head like the PSP did against DS so there wasn't pressure to rush the launch.