Bobo Dakes
Member
Eh, the film sort of put weed, coke and heroin all on the same level. I mean, we have no idea was drugs
Tequila
Good on them to bring up the topic, a little murky on the execution.
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Kingsman: The Golden Circle Review Thread
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Eh, the film sort of put weed, coke and heroin all on the same level. I mean, we have no idea was drugs
Good on them to bring up the topic, a little murky on the execution.
Fancyarcher
Member
Saw this Sunday. I actually enjoyed it. The action sequences were as great as ever, and the reasoning for bringing back Firth's character wasn't as absurd as I thought it was gonna be. Not as good as the first, a bit too overstuffed and long, but a solid enough follow-up nonetheless. Hope it makes over 100m domestically, I wouldn't mind another installment.
The animator said it was put in because test audiences were sad about
Merlin dying
Not at all. The movie makes the distinction that hardline war on drugs = bad, killing drug users = bad, and some people actually need drugs. But the villain speaks left wing pro-legalisation talking points ("taxed and regulated") and everyone who uses drugs recreationally (even just weed) is told off for it and comes to accept the error of their ways.
And? Seems fine to me. The movie was very fucking clear we shouldn't kill or punish drug users, but not supporting drug use is a fine angle to take.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Just watch it if you have nothing planned out, especially if you liked the first one. It's got a lot of issues, but still has fun action scenes.
Drink instead of smoking weed is a pretty reactionary and stupid angle to me, but we may differ on this.
IISANDERII
Member
Of course it's deliberate. But they didn't just kill off nearly all the British characters and the Kingsman secret service just to fill the second film with American "tropes and iconography".
Not as good as the first, still worth watching.
IISANDERII
Member
I felt like I wasted my evening going to watch it, especially since how long it is. The original is light years better.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Other than the rather disturbing implications surrounding
and a bit of fumbling with the message of "don't do the leaf kids, stick to hardcore whiskey and beer (which has killed millions more than the herb ever will)", I rather enjoyed the movie. Like, the overall message of "Drug addicts, drug dependent, etc. are humans and deserve to be treated with dignity" was great, it's just the messaging is a bit muddled when they end up saying "Just stick to good old whiskey". Other than that: Fantastic action, fun performances, entirely bat shit feeling overall. Good fun.
On another note:
Vagina tracker and the woman being blown up for cheating
On another note:
I can't wait to see how they will inevitably bring Merlin back
Certinty
Member
Thought it was great. Was never going to be as good as the first but was still fun as hell.
Only issue I had was
Only issue I had was
them killing Whiskey the way they did in the end. Given his reasons for going against them he didn't deserved to be killed I say, especially not like that at the very worst. Also after it the Statesman don't seem to care at all?
cartographer
Member
I don't understand why it was so long. I don't revere the first one, but it was more fun than this. Very discombobulated.
The vaginal tracker gets a big eye roll for me. The stadium full of cages was a striking visual.
TheApatheticOne
Member
I saw it and loved it, probably better than the first.
Vincent Grayson
Member
The more I think about this movie, the less I like it.
I still can't get over just how fucking poorly it treats every woman in it.
edit: And yes, I loved the first one, save the final scene.
I still can't get over just how fucking poorly it treats every woman in it.
edit: And yes, I loved the first one, save the final scene.
Pankratous
Member
What woman does it treat poorly?
The presidents advisor was on the right side of the genocide debate and helped ensure a smooth transition of power and is a huge public figure.
Poppy is the head of the antagonist group and one of the richest people in the world, as well as feared by all below her.
Eggsy's princess girlfriend is fine...? I mean she doesn't do much.
The statesmen woman with the alcohol name (I can't remember) gets a promotion at the end.
Who else is there?
teacupcopter
Banned
I think mainly the girl who gets finger GPSed then blown up for cheating
Vincent Grayson
Member
Princess Hilde basically just exists to be "girl that must be rescued" again,
along with having an obnoxious "mad about him having to do dumb sex thing for a mission"
plotline.
along with having an obnoxious "mad about him having to do dumb sex thing for a mission"
plotline.
Douchey villain guy's girlfriend exists just for the incredibly uncomfortable aforementioned sex thing, and then to be summarily blown up.
Lancelot gets basically nothing to do (again) and then dies.
I actually thought the girlfriend bit was a bit cute, since it's such a play on the Bond trope. Him in a relationship? Him
, them fighting, etc. It's like everything Bond isn't for a film that is heavily parodying Bond.
I'll agree with the rest though
asking for permission
I'll agree with the rest though
old manatee
Banned
My interest in the franchise basically died with Lancelot. There legit isn't a single interesting female character left in the Kingsman universe by the end of Golden Circle. They're all dead except the Princess, and I don't have much interest in watching her be damsel-ed for a 3rd time.
Popsickles
Member
I enjoyed it, just as good as the first with some great action. People that are complaining about drug and feminist stuff have missed the point of the film. It's just stupid fun
No, it's stupid fun that carries with it morals and ideology, like all narratives do.
ryutaro's mama
Member
I just saw it tonight. Didn't like it nearly as much as the first but I wouldn't wave anyone off of it. I didn't hate it but I also didn't love it. I have no rush to see it again.
Lionel Mandrake
Member
For what it's worth, regarding the subject of
...
Since Kingsman 3 was evidently already being discussed during this production (According to interviews with Vaughn), and
It'd be lame to
, but I don't think it's below this series at all.
Roxy's death
Since Kingsman 3 was evidently already being discussed during this production (According to interviews with Vaughn), and
the peculiar way they had Roxy run out of the room before the explosion (As opposed to Eggsy's friend and Michael Gambon, who just faced the explosion head on), I think it's very likely they were giving themselves an out for the third movie. Like it turns out she ran into the hall and jumped into some crazy Kingsman protective armor or something. I know the mansion was obliterated, but whatever--Harry got shot point blank in the brain.
I looked up the actress's Wikipedia page and it looks like she was filming some TV show around the same time as The Golden Circle was in production. I don't think they had any strong desire to kill her off.
I looked up the actress's Wikipedia page and it looks like she was filming some TV show around the same time as The Golden Circle was in production. I don't think they had any strong desire to kill her off.
do the resurrection trick twice in a row
If it was a scheduling issue I wonder if
the original draft for this had Roxy in Merlin's place. (and probably not dying in the final siege like he does.) That Merlin/Ginger convo would make a lot more sense if Roxy's there filling in for a dead Merlin and Ginger doesn't realize she's a full agent.
DoctorFling
Member
As someone who just liked the original I was shocked how much I loved this film. There were some lulls in the 2nd act but the 3rd was such inspired lunacy, can't wait to see a third instalment.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Is this really a lesser version of the first movie? Bummer.
Dice//
Banned
Had a lot of fun.
There's issues, but I feel I can't complain about them without bringing down a series that seems to fundamentally exist to make fun of James Bond and other secret-agent action nonsense.
Totally worth the watch, let your mind go and it's a great comedy/action flick.
There's issues, but I feel I can't complain about them without bringing down a series that seems to fundamentally exist to make fun of James Bond and other secret-agent action nonsense.
Totally worth the watch, let your mind go and it's a great comedy/action flick.
Pretty much that.
The first one is a heroic journey about a kid growing and having fun along the way. This one was the Empire Strikes Back moment -- agency blown up, girlfriend trouble,
friends dying, etc. There's no carefree fun moments in comparison to the first. Take the seduction scene for example, the first film had a fun competition, here it was inevitable and cynical especially given that he had to ask for permission/feel guilty about it.
That's just my take on it though. I liked it,
but it could have benefited from some extra humor. That ski lodge line killed my audience
friends dying, etc. There's no carefree fun moments in comparison to the first. Take the seduction scene for example, the first film had a fun competition, here it was inevitable and cynical especially given that he had to ask for permission/feel guilty about it.
That's just my take on it though. I liked it,
but it could have benefited from some extra humor. That ski lodge line killed my audience
Mister Wilhelm
Member
Oh man, I absolutely HATED this movie. What a horrible script. So many bad plot points and poorly written scenes, and the overall narrative is so goddamn clumsy.
The first was not without it's problems but it accomplished being a fun R-rated action movie with some fresh action sequences, memorable characters and decent dialogue. I managed to like it quite a bit.
The sequel does absolutely nothing new at all and only weakly emulates the successful scenes from the first movie.
Other than the
The movie was so full of absolutely ridiculous setups like that.
And what about the action? There really aren't that many action scenes in this movie.
From what I can recall -
Between those problems and all the boring, trivial drama they tried to inject into this movie which ended up bloating it hard, it was so disappointing.
The first was not without it's problems but it accomplished being a fun R-rated action movie with some fresh action sequences, memorable characters and decent dialogue. I managed to like it quite a bit.
The sequel does absolutely nothing new at all and only weakly emulates the successful scenes from the first movie.
Other than the
full ten-fifteen minutes the movie spends on a subplot so horrible you'd think it came out of an 80's perv comedy where they for some contrived reason need to jam a tracking device up a girl's pussy, I think the point where it really made me roll my eyes was Merlin's death scene.
The movie has Merlin get geared up in a brand new suit, ready to take action in the field. They even HAVE A GODDAMN MINESWEEPER which is also fashioned as a baseball bat because lol America. But no, they still step on a goddamn mine anyways in the dumbest way possible. Oh but wait, it's ok! I conveniently have this can of magical ice spray that allows me to tragically and selflessly sacrifice myself for the main character by stepping on it. Because I mean, why would I bring something that could actually defuse the mine instead?
But wait, that's not dumb enough. I'm going to stand on this mine and sing Country Road while a guard slowly approaches me even though he knows there are landmines all over the fucking place here. Then, even though I straight up headbutted that dude, the rest of the guards are all going to approach me very slowly despite the fact that they have guns, know I'm dangerous and AGAIN know that there are landmines around the perimeter even though it is also established earlier that they can turn them off.
The movie has Merlin get geared up in a brand new suit, ready to take action in the field. They even HAVE A GODDAMN MINESWEEPER which is also fashioned as a baseball bat because lol America. But no, they still step on a goddamn mine anyways in the dumbest way possible. Oh but wait, it's ok! I conveniently have this can of magical ice spray that allows me to tragically and selflessly sacrifice myself for the main character by stepping on it. Because I mean, why would I bring something that could actually defuse the mine instead?
But wait, that's not dumb enough. I'm going to stand on this mine and sing Country Road while a guard slowly approaches me even though he knows there are landmines all over the fucking place here. Then, even though I straight up headbutted that dude, the rest of the guards are all going to approach me very slowly despite the fact that they have guns, know I'm dangerous and AGAIN know that there are landmines around the perimeter even though it is also established earlier that they can turn them off.
The movie was so full of absolutely ridiculous setups like that.
And what about the action? There really aren't that many action scenes in this movie.
From what I can recall -
1.) The car chase at the start, easily the best action in the movie but not even half as good as the church scene from the first.
2.) The bar fight. A tired retread of the exact same scene from the first movie.
3.) The ski lift/cabin scene. The mountain sequence where the heroes are sliding down an icy cliff and just barely survive has been done so many times and it brought nothing new to the table. The fight where Whiskey killed the strike team was ok, but we just saw Whiskey take on a group of assailants not long ago so it felt repetitive.
4.) The jungle compound raid. Now there were a few small flourishes of creativity here but overall it was again just the same moves and shots from the end of the first movie.
Also didn't care for the oppressive amount of Elton John cameos. It was a good idea but they did not pull it off well. John can't act and it really, really shows. I also didn't like the cheap fourth-wall breaking during his fight scene.
2.) The bar fight. A tired retread of the exact same scene from the first movie.
3.) The ski lift/cabin scene. The mountain sequence where the heroes are sliding down an icy cliff and just barely survive has been done so many times and it brought nothing new to the table. The fight where Whiskey killed the strike team was ok, but we just saw Whiskey take on a group of assailants not long ago so it felt repetitive.
4.) The jungle compound raid. Now there were a few small flourishes of creativity here but overall it was again just the same moves and shots from the end of the first movie.
Also didn't care for the oppressive amount of Elton John cameos. It was a good idea but they did not pull it off well. John can't act and it really, really shows. I also didn't like the cheap fourth-wall breaking during his fight scene.
Between those problems and all the boring, trivial drama they tried to inject into this movie which ended up bloating it hard, it was so disappointing.
I don't think so. It's quite enjoyable and carves out it's own niche. Longterm Relationship Bond is best Bond
Bobo Dakes
Member
Okay, that wasn't a cameo, dude's name is on the poster. He's got more screentime than Jeff Bridges.
And you know,
leading the heroes to a secret base of an organization that is introduced by feeding a guy conscious to a meat grinder for fucking up.
I guess what disappointed me a bit is how
Channing Tatum was literally put on ice for most of the movie and how Poppy's henchmen felt rather smalltime compared to Samuel Jackson's army. I was surprised that those two robot dogs were her final line of defense. Overall the finale wasn't quite as spectacular as in the first one. Poppy herself was a pretty great villain though
Yeah,
don't think at all that this was meant as punishment for cheating. Charlie didn't seem particularly happy about pressing the button but he knew he'd end up as a burger if he didn't
Bobo Dakes
Member
Oh, he definitely seemed happy about it. Also, wasn't she introduced as his ex?
I believe as ex but they had still something going on.
And
if I recall correctly did he tell her that everything would be all right. Wouldn't he gloat if he was punishing her?
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
the vagina tracker thing was the funniest scene in the film. it was a very effective parody of james bond always sleeping with the women.
Elton John was bad. The idea was great, but should have stayed as him just being hired to perform for Poppy in a singular scene.
The whole thing was just really oddly put together and lacked the focus of the first film.
Elton John was bad. The idea was great, but should have stayed as him just being hired to perform for Poppy in a singular scene.
The whole thing was just really oddly put together and lacked the focus of the first film.
ronaldthump
Member
it doesn't matter what drug he's on.
I had a blast with both. I thought this was entertaining and laughed heaps. Don't overthink it. Go watch it. Fun movie
Had a lot of fun.
There's issues, but I feel I can't complain about them without bringing down a series that seems to fundamentally exist to make fun of James Bond and other secret-agent action nonsense.
Totally worth the watch, let your mind go and it's a great comedy/action flick.
yes this.
The way that castle collapsed, I doubt she survived. They're more likely to bring back Mark Strong
does it matter? I heard so many complaints about his screentime but really had no issues with it.
as for
her army - no one knows where she is - so its not like she needs lot of people to protect her; she did kill the statesman in her mind + mines
old manatee
Banned
Elton John's line deliveries were totally fucked up. It was like he only agreed to one take of every scene or something. I was surprised they left so much of it in.
