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Japan charts: Media Create 16 - 22 May
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I edited my earlier post to say that I didn't think it was because of that week. The mistake HAS to be on their part in adding up the numbers because I KNOW that I'm right because I just added all of them up myself and it matches my spread sheet.CVXFREAK said:
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Week | DS | PSP | PSP Totals
01/03-01/09 | 108,561 | 62,052 |
01/10-01/16 | 53,527 | 64,602 | 126,654
01/17-01/23 | 44,608 | 66,543 | 193,197
01/24-01/30 | 43,226 | 74,405 | 267,602
01/31-02/06 | 29,552 | 48,781 | 316,383
02/07-02/13 | 26,205 | 45,972 | 362,355
02/14-02/20 | 22,363 | 38,314 | 400,669
02/21-02/27 | 26,761 | 41,867 | 442,536
02/28-03/06 | 25,759 | 47,633 | 490,169
03/07-03/13 | 26,537 | 46,307 | 536,476
03/14-03/13 | 22,446 | 43,644 | 580,120
03/21-03/27 | 55,825 | 43,043 | 623,163
03/28-04/03 | 43,023 | 33,911 | 657,074
04/04-04/10 | 30,028 | 28,848 | 685,922
04/11-04/17 | 21,698 | 28,950 | 714,872
04/18-04/24 | 96,191 | 33,004 | 747,876
04/25-05/01 | 64,247 | 38,778 | 786,654
05/02-05/08 | 67,863 | 33,981 | 820,635
05/09-05/15 | 26,583 | 25,438 | 846,073
YTD | 835,003 | 846,073For reference, here are week by week PSP totals. Now let me find the discrepency.
EDIT: Found it! 03/28 - 04/03, I totaled it 667,074 instead of 657,074. So GS has been off for nearly two months now. Thanks a lot for pointing this error out!
CVXFREAK said:
so much for PSP's massive momentum and the aggro SONY fanboy's PSP chubby is chopped and it was doing so well. I probably was right about global importers demand dropping off after the US launch - something no one else thought of - the US launch obviously detented JPN sales. I am surprised/shocked that Nintendo with their non-games/girl market/colured consoles has managed this turnaround.
Sony needs a) more games b) new colour.
ThongyDonk
Banned
Makes you wonder if this will work with the Rev.
aiming for the casual and non gamer, making it tempting for them to come to the market!!
aiming for the casual and non gamer, making it tempting for them to come to the market!!
ThongyDonk said:
Well the DS can become a PDA, which is pretty much a mini computer. The Rev on the other hand can't really imitate a personal computer since most, if not all people own one at some point or another. So I doubt the Revolution will sell based on brain training games, but I'm sure they'd help diversify the system's lineup.
Looks like that's what Nintendo is trying to do with the DS at least in Japan with all the non gaming APPs.
What was disappointing at E3 however was the utter lack of any really interesting move in that direction for the DS in North America. No news about the media player applications some were hoping, not even anything remotely interesting that would make the DS live up to its 3rd pillar name.
Right now, the DS is playing out more like a Game Boy. The software for the DS is good no doubt, but NOA needs to wake up and start differentiating.
What was disappointing at E3 however was the utter lack of any really interesting move in that direction for the DS in North America. No news about the media player applications some were hoping, not even anything remotely interesting that would make the DS live up to its 3rd pillar name.
Right now, the DS is playing out more like a Game Boy. The software for the DS is good no doubt, but NOA needs to wake up and start differentiating.
PSP games:
#19: 4,000
#21 (Derby Time): 4,000
#34: 2,000
#35 (Hot Shots?): 2,000
So about 12,000 for the top selling 4 games, give or take 3,000. So considering #50 is about 1,000-1,500, there should be 36 games or so under 1,000, ranging anywhere from double digits to a few hundred.
So, on the high end of things, assuming it's an average of about 500 for each of the games, about 30,000 for the week, at a tie ratio of about 1.25.
Could be way off... been a very long time since I've done this.
#19: 4,000
#21 (Derby Time): 4,000
#34: 2,000
#35 (Hot Shots?): 2,000
So about 12,000 for the top selling 4 games, give or take 3,000. So considering #50 is about 1,000-1,500, there should be 36 games or so under 1,000, ranging anywhere from double digits to a few hundred.
So, on the high end of things, assuming it's an average of about 500 for each of the games, about 30,000 for the week, at a tie ratio of about 1.25.
Could be way off... been a very long time since I've done this.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I wonder what kind of licensing Sony does on the UMD movies, since those *are* selling (in the US anyway). They may not be in such dire shape of the software front after all, once you factor in movies.
[all of this is beside the point that I want new games *now* for PSP for ME!]
[all of this is beside the point that I want new games *now* for PSP for ME!]
ThongyDonk
Banned
So this week
DS top 4 selling software 72000
PSP top 4 selling software 12000
Compared to hardware sales of
DS 29000
PSP 24000
Its pretty obvious to me that the PSP isnt selling for its software.
DS top 4 selling software 72000
PSP top 4 selling software 12000
Compared to hardware sales of
DS 29000
PSP 24000
Its pretty obvious to me that the PSP isnt selling for its software.
I remember when people with common sense we're saying that maybe developpers wouldn't make games for PSP because it would be every bit as expensive as making a game for PS2, which was obviously the better deal. And now PSP gets text adventure games while DS is getting more and more 3rd party support. Ha.
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Duckhuntdog
Member
Well in the off chance the DS does beat down the PSP. I don't see Sony fully pulling the plug on the PSP. But then again, they did pull the plug on the PSX... I'm so conflicted.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Duckhuntdog said:
That's kind of alarmist. The PS1 wasn't a sales leader until a couple of years into its life. At first, it was heavily outsold by the SNES, and then the N64. It was only a year or so into the N64's life that it took the lead.
This is the off season, for an expensive item. The real determinir of how well the PSP is going to do in the long run is the holiday season.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
jman2050 said:
I know he was, I was just offering up a counter-example. To say the PSP is selling piss-poor is kind of silly, seeing what season this is.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
jarrod said:So in keeping with your counter-example... when should we expect PSP to pick up then? Roughly 2 years from now?
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't overtake Nintendo before then, if ever. Especially not with a premium price. I've never been predicting Ninteno's doom as a result of the PSP.
You've misrepresented, though. I never said PS1 sales didn't "pick up" until then, I said it wasn't the market leader. Everyone seems to have this attitude that if you aren't #1 you're dead, and further, that that matters week-to-week. It's the Spring, *all* sales are low. Now we have people taking a month's worth of low sales in the Spring and referencing one of Sony's biggest flops. C'mon. Sony is planning 12 Million units for the year. The 100,000 or so less they sell this month over last onth (where they were considered to be doing well) is a teeny sliver of that number. If they ship less, or don't sell most of those through, *then* we can start speculating reasonably about them pulling the plug.
More to the point, they need to get high-profile titles out. I poo-pooed the the notion that they wouldn't have a gret line-up for the rest of the year, until E3 came and went and not a ton of stuff was announced. Some of it great-- but a lot less in general than I expected or wanted.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
PSP and PS is a hard comparison. The PSP doesn't have the advantages the PS1 had, and it already had a great following of supporters by default even though it's a portable, which the PS didn't have. In order for Sony to get support for the PS it took time to persuade game developers that it was easy to develop for and it had potential, in that sense the DS is more like the PS than PSP even. I think the PSP is more like a PS2 gone wrong.
Hey Natz, just kidding around. That's what the "" was for.
I don't see either DS or PSP going anywhere, but I don't saee either becoming a Game Boy level success either really. It's early, but even at this stage GBA had a whole lot more going for it in terms of consumer support. And with Micro coming so soon... I dunno, GBA will probably still be the best selling handheld this year.
" was for.I don't see either DS or PSP going anywhere, but I don't saee either becoming a Game Boy level success either really. It's early, but even at this stage GBA had a whole lot more going for it in terms of consumer support. And with Micro coming so soon... I dunno, GBA will probably still be the best selling handheld this year.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
jarrod, I get you.
I think people just forget that the PS1 was an uphill climb. The PSP has already gotten more recognition and support than the PS1 did.
I don't even *know* if either will get to GB or GBA levels. I doubt it, but who knows? Nintendogs might end up being the next Pokemon.
I think people just forget that the PS1 was an uphill climb. The PSP has already gotten more recognition and support than the PS1 did.
I don't even *know* if either will get to GB or GBA levels. I doubt it, but who knows? Nintendogs might end up being the next Pokemon.
Virgin Wii
Banned
Ignatz Mouse said:
A lot of that had to do with factors that don't apply to this handheld race. With the PSone, gamers and 3rd party developers were waiting for Nintendo, the market leader, to drop their machine. Once the N64 was released, developers were able to compare and decide that PSone was a better environment to make games for, and consumers followed the developers.
None of that is a factor here. Both machines are already available, and unlike with the PSone, Sony doesn't have to prove to gamers that they're a viable option.
The problem is that nothing big was announced at E3, so I don't see a killer app being released for the PSP by the end of the year. While DS has Jump Super Stars, Pokemon, Mario Kart Online (3 possible million seller) and many many others big titles coming by the end of the year. I think we can fairly assume that it's going to be very very difficult for Sony to catch up in Japan.
Yeah, people tend to forget that PlayStation wasn't a guaranteed hit out the gates. It was a pretty tough scrap until 1998 really, and Sony really had to earn every inch they got. But then PS2 was an almost effortless success despite some flubs. Given the strength of the PS brand as it is today, I don't think expecting something more along those lines was exactly too wild when it comes to PSP. It wasn't going up against a "real" Game Boy even... maybe realists knew better, but I get the feeling the industry at large expected PSP to steamroll Nintendo when in truth they've barely nudged them.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
This made me wonder what it would look like if we compared worst week to worst week, second worst week to second worst week, and so on. PSP is in the lead for the lower 14, DS leads for the next 10, and then there's one more week where DS has no PSP competition.kaching said:Hasn't hit the lows that DS hit yet though!
http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/20050526dspspworstworst.gif
JoshuaJSlone
Member
GBA+GBASP+DS vs DS vs PSP chart for the week of January 3 through the week of May 9, since we don't have full numbers for after that.olimario said:
http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/20050525dspspnp.gif
Here is a new attempt on calculating tie ratios
As of April 10:
DS
TOTAL HW - 2,054,016
TOTAL SW - 3,148,288
Tie ratio - 1.53
PSP
TOTAL HW- 1,168,173
TOTAL SW - 2,196,119
Tie ratio - 1.88
April 11 - May 8:
According to the Famitsu top 30, software sold for this period were
DS SW- 544,373
PSP SW- 102,875
And now the approximation...
"DS total software sales are ~1.34 * DS software sales in the Famitsu top 30. Corresponding number for PSP is ~1.57."
This is not a law, but a good approximation. The higher PSP number means that PSP games outside top 30 in general sells slightly better than those for DS.
The DS number was ~1.35 on February 6 and ~1.34 on April 10. That´s why I think it´s still valid. It really doesn´t change too much over time.
Software sales as of May 8 then becomes:
DS SW - 3,148,288 + 544,373*1.34 = 3,877,748
PSP SW - 2,196,119 + 102,875*1.57 = 2,357,633
Hardware numbers according to MC were:
DS HW - 2,304,016
PSP HW - 1,302,887
New tie ratios:
DS - 1.68
PSP - 1.81
Thus, it´s justifiable to suspect that the PSP tie ratio has decreased, and we know for sure that the DS ratio has increased.
But the conclusion have allready been drawned, no big PSP games released over the period has affected software sales negatively
As of April 10:
DS
TOTAL HW - 2,054,016
TOTAL SW - 3,148,288
Tie ratio - 1.53
PSP
TOTAL HW- 1,168,173
TOTAL SW - 2,196,119
Tie ratio - 1.88
April 11 - May 8:
According to the Famitsu top 30, software sold for this period were
DS SW- 544,373
PSP SW- 102,875
And now the approximation...
"DS total software sales are ~1.34 * DS software sales in the Famitsu top 30. Corresponding number for PSP is ~1.57."
This is not a law, but a good approximation. The higher PSP number means that PSP games outside top 30 in general sells slightly better than those for DS.
The DS number was ~1.35 on February 6 and ~1.34 on April 10. That´s why I think it´s still valid. It really doesn´t change too much over time.
Software sales as of May 8 then becomes:
DS SW - 3,148,288 + 544,373*1.34 = 3,877,748
PSP SW - 2,196,119 + 102,875*1.57 = 2,357,633
Hardware numbers according to MC were:
DS HW - 2,304,016
PSP HW - 1,302,887
New tie ratios:
DS - 1.68
PSP - 1.81
Thus, it´s justifiable to suspect that the PSP tie ratio has decreased, and we know for sure that the DS ratio has increased.
But the conclusion have allready been drawned, no big PSP games released over the period has affected software sales negatively
Pretty good week for the DS. With those sales, I'm a little surprised that the Brain Training game was released at a bargain price. Would its sales have totally collapsed if it was released at full price? With Gundam out next week, sales of the DS may increase further. Not a good week for the psp though. 24,000 is a record low for the system. I know there's an argument that holiday season is what really counts, but the system is in danger of falling into obscurity sometime this summer. Sony really need to get into gear and get some high impact games out there.
Interesting post with the tie ratios there. That is also 2 weeks old, I expect the gap to be even smaller seeing as the DS has been going at something like 3:1 recently with the psp closer to a 1:1 ratio. In fact, I think in a couple of weeks time the DS may actually have the better overall tie-ratio.
Interesting post with the tie ratios there. That is also 2 weeks old, I expect the gap to be even smaller seeing as the DS has been going at something like 3:1 recently with the psp closer to a 1:1 ratio. In fact, I think in a couple of weeks time the DS may actually have the better overall tie-ratio.
2(NEW) DS Nou wo Kitaeru Otona no DS Training (Nintendo)
5(4) DS Nintendogs: Shiba and Friends (Nintendo)
6(NEW) DS Bomberman
10(7) DS Nintendogs: Dachs and Friends (Nintendo)
11(9) DS Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends (Nintendo)
12(8) DS Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu 3 (Tomy)
15(13) DS Touch! Kirby (Nintendo)
17(10) PSP Derby Time (Sony)
21(16) PSP Dora-Slot 2: Suyaku wa Zenigata (Dorart)
28(24) PSP Minna no Golf Portable (Sony)
31(35) DS Sawaru Made in Wario (Nintendo)
32(36) DS Egg Monster Hero (Square Enix)
34(27) DS Bokujou Monogatari: Colobocle Station (Marvelous)
38(43) DS Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
39(23) PSP Shutokou Battle (Genki)
44(46) PSP Sarugetchu P! (Sony)
48(41) PSP Tales of Eternia (Namco)
PSP games continue to drop. Hopefully Segas pachislot game will change that. It´s released on June 30.
The DS version is out next week though...
5(4) DS Nintendogs: Shiba and Friends (Nintendo)
6(NEW) DS Bomberman
10(7) DS Nintendogs: Dachs and Friends (Nintendo)
11(9) DS Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends (Nintendo)
12(8) DS Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu 3 (Tomy)
15(13) DS Touch! Kirby (Nintendo)
17(10) PSP Derby Time (Sony)
21(16) PSP Dora-Slot 2: Suyaku wa Zenigata (Dorart)
28(24) PSP Minna no Golf Portable (Sony)
31(35) DS Sawaru Made in Wario (Nintendo)
32(36) DS Egg Monster Hero (Square Enix)
34(27) DS Bokujou Monogatari: Colobocle Station (Marvelous)
38(43) DS Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
39(23) PSP Shutokou Battle (Genki)
44(46) PSP Sarugetchu P! (Sony)
48(41) PSP Tales of Eternia (Namco)
PSP games continue to drop. Hopefully Segas pachislot game will change that. It´s released on June 30.
The DS version is out next week though...