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[KuraiShidosha]

According to this data, modern Intel CPUs are even worse at handling light loads than AMD CPUs, so what exactly are you trying to prove?

You are aware those are all heavy loads right? None of that represents idle and low burden workloads which is what we're discussing. No one is contesting the fact that Intel has a major efficiency problem under stress. AMD dominates in that area at the moment. It's those low workloads that is the problem where AMD systems draw upwards of 50w more to accomplish the same tasks. Plug your PC into a battery backup with a digital wattage usage panel (you should do this anyway, literal lifesaver for me over the last 15 years) and monitor your power draw the second you do anything with an AMD machine. Power draw instantly spikes up, even from just moving the fucking mouse my total system draw (including monitor and speakers) goes from 198w pure idle, to 232w, just from moving the mouse on an empty desktop with no programs running. That does not occur on Intel machines. Hell, I and even keep my VR headset plugged in all the time because just having it plugged in wakes up the CPU in a similar way as moving the mouse, raising my idle power consumption from 20w over my Intel rig to 50w. Retarded. I hate this system and wish Intel was doing better right now so I could sell these parts and move on.

 

[T-800]

200w idle is pretty whack

psu watt meter shows my 9900 doing 100-130w browsing&video 2 monitors
power options is on high performance

do you have a monitor hooked to the meter or smtn? tho i have no clue what these new cpus are suppose to do.

 

[welshrat]

Back on topic.

Game developer says Intel should recall its defective, crash-prone CPUs

The number of people and organizations forced to experience crashes and general instability on Intel's latest CPU models keeps growing. Now, a game developer is blatantly pointing...

www.techspot.com

Read his reddit posts yesterday, they have banned the use of 13th and 14th gen processors now as pretty much all are faulty. Staggering if this really is the scale of the issue and I can't see why he would have any reason to lie !

 

[kikii]

Read his reddit posts yesterday, they have banned the use of 13th and 14th gen processors now as pretty much all are>>>> faulty<<<<. Staggering if this really is the scale of the issue and I can't see why he would have any reason to lie !

based ?

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

You are aware those are all heavy loads right? None of that represents idle and low burden workloads which is what we're discussing. No one is contesting the fact that Intel has a major efficiency problem under stress. AMD dominates in that area at the moment. It's those low workloads that is the problem where AMD systems draw upwards of 50w more to accomplish the same tasks. Plug your PC into a battery backup with a digital wattage usage panel (you should do this anyway, literal lifesaver for me over the last 15 years) and monitor your power draw the second you do anything with an AMD machine. Power draw instantly spikes up, even from just moving the fucking mouse my total system draw (including monitor and speakers) goes from 198w pure idle, to 232w, just from moving the mouse on an empty desktop with no programs running. That does not occur on Intel machines. Hell, I and even keep my VR headset plugged in all the time because just having it plugged in wakes up the CPU in a similar way as moving the mouse, raising my idle power consumption from 20w over my Intel rig to 50w. Retarded. I hate this system and wish Intel was doing better right now so I could sell these parts and move on.

This chart shows also workloads like MP3 playback, streaming and office work. These are heavy workloads according to you?

And here's how much power the whole system draws, using a power meter plugged into the wall.

IDLE:
-both 7800X3D and 7950X3D consume 82W
-i9 13900K 104W
-i3 10100F 44W

Heay workload (cinebench)
-7800X3D 170W
-7950X3D 257W
-i9 13900K 501W
-i3 10100F 105W

Test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - Czy to najlepszy procesor do gier? Szybszy nawet od Intel Core i9-13900K? | PurePC.pl

Test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - Czy to najlepszy procesor do gier? Szybszy nawet od Intel Core i9-13900K? (strona 61) Premiera i test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Jaki procesor do gier jest najlepszy? Czy następca Ryzen 7 5800X3D dogoni Intel Core i9-13900K w grach?

www.purepc.pl

Only older 4C8T Intel CPUs consume less power than AMD CPUs. However, modern Intel CPUs consume significantly more power at both light and heavy workloads.

 

[welshrat]

based ?

Not sure what you are asking. I am simply repeating what this dev has said on his reddit feed.

 

[welshrat]

based ?

See the posts here which show the devs posts https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/intel-has-a-pretty-big-problem.18990059/page-3

 

[kikii]

See the posts here which show the devs posts https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/intel-has-a-pretty-big-problem.18990059/page-3

i do not care what random person on internet says, its my own exp, no crashes and havent updated bios nor ME to newest one and i build this comp liek 3 weeks ago 13700K and rocking just fine ^^

 

[welshrat]

i do not care what random person on internet says, its my own exp, no crashes and havent updated bios nor ME to newest one and i build this comp liek 3 weeks ago 13700K and rocking just fine ^^

Ok that's fine. Enjoy your cpu and I genuinely hope it's ok, but this guy is not just a random guy. His company has now banned 13th and 14th gen CPUs as they all fail compilation with unreal 5. That is a big issue.

 

[winjer]

Buildzoid's take on the situation so far.
Basically, he thinks the problem might be degradation of the Ring bus, due to high voltage. And since the i9s have the higher voltages, some going to 1.5v, these are the ones being most affected.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

is Intel cooked?

 

[Black_Stride]

Buildzoid's take on the situation so far.
Basically, he thinks the problem might be degradation of the Ring bus, due to high voltage. And since the i9s have the higher voltages, some going to 1.5v, these are the ones being most affected.

ooooffff.
i9s be thirsty.
Imma stick to my i5s......after the reviews of the u5 come out and they are hopefully reasonably priced ill decide whether to jump to LGA1851 or get a 136K and keep it till the next socket.

I almost exclusively do GPU rendering these days so I dont think ill miss hyperthreading if I jump on a u5.......as long as the gaming performance will hold me out through the next generation of gaming consoles.

 

[winjer]

ooooffff.
i9s be thirsty.
Imma stick to my i5s......after the reviews of the u5 come out and they are hopefully reasonably priced ill decide whether to jump to LGA1851 or get a 136K and keep it till the next socket.

I almost exclusively do GPU rendering these days so I dont think ill miss hyperthreading if I jump on a u5.......as long as the gaming performance will hold me out through the next generation of gaming consoles.

Yes. i5s are much less likely to have these issues.
And this also explains why the i9 12900K do not have the same issues, because they run lower voltages and lower clock speed for the ring bus.

 

[welshrat]

Yes. i5s are much less likely to have these issues.
And this also explains why the i9 12900K do not have the same issues, because they run lower voltages and lower clock speed for the ring bus.

Yes does appear to be degradation. Interestingly that same dev is also saying laptops, servers and 14600 are also affected. For his particular use case every single CPU is affected. Not sure what intels best plan here is but would have thought they will end up having to refund a lot of people if this really is that widespread.

 

[kikii]

is Intel cooked?

nah but OverHeat seems to be ^^

 

[Celcius]

Do we know if arrow lake will use two levers for the socket like the current one?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

It's because people don't update their bios and settings (which should have been correct from the start mind you) and may be unaware of the fix. Never had any crashes with my Asus motherboard and 13900K but applied the necessary settings by hand and updated the bios, only because I became aware of a potential problem.

People shouldn't HAVE to update their BIOS and settings to prevent things like CPU degredation.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Do we know if arrow lake will use two levers for the socket like the current one?

LGA 1700 only uses one and it's something Intel should have fixed for the Z790 boards.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

That was pretty interesting.
Server chipsets which always ran the conservative power limits were still running in to this issue and seemingly degrading over time.

It's also not a coincidence that its pretty much exclusively 13 and 14 series CPUs.

It's a shame too, because when the 12 series was announced, I legit thought and hoped that E-cores would be a strength and that games could take advantage of them to give Intel a significant performance advantage.

What ended up happening is that E-cores caused more problems and at times you could get better performance if you disabled them completely.

For those that own a 13900K and 14900K I wonder if disabling the E-cores might be the better option for better longevity.

ALso, why Intel never released a cheaper P-core only gaming CPU is beyond me.

 

[Black_Stride]

Do we know if arrow lake will use two levers for the socket like the current one?

The current socket LGA1700 only uses one lever.
The next socket LGA1851 is supposedly going to have to options for motherboards vendors.
Normal as used right now and a Reduced Load ILM which will offer better cooling......imma guess board vendors are gonna be sticking the RL-ILM on their highend boards and calling it a feature, when in reality all Z series boards should have it.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Read his reddit posts yesterday, they have banned the use of 13th and 14th gen processors now as pretty much all are faulty. Staggering if this really is the scale of the issue and I can't see why he would have any reason to lie !

This is bizarre. I was under the impression that they constantly test chips at each production process to avoid this situation?

 

[OverHeat]

nah but OverHeat seems to be ^^

Ice cold

 

[DirtyBast8rd]

People shouldn't HAVE to update their BIOS and settings to prevent things like CPU degredation.

Obvious. That's not what I was implying. It's about why it's still happening while there is a solution.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

This chart shows also workloads like MP3 playback, streaming and office work. These are heavy workloads according to you?

And here's how much power the whole system draws, using a power meter plugged into the wall.

IDLE:
-both 7800X3D and 7950X3D consume 82W
-i9 13900K 104W
-i3 10100F 44W

Heay workload (cinebench)
-7800X3D 170W
-7950X3D 257W
-i9 13900K 501W
-i3 10100F 105W

Test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - Czy to najlepszy procesor do gier? Szybszy nawet od Intel Core i9-13900K? | PurePC.pl

Test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - Czy to najlepszy procesor do gier? Szybszy nawet od Intel Core i9-13900K? (strona 61) Premiera i test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Jaki procesor do gier jest najlepszy? Czy następca Ryzen 7 5800X3D dogoni Intel Core i9-13900K w grach?

www.purepc.pl

Only older 4C8T Intel CPUs consume less power than AMD CPUs. However, modern Intel CPUs consume significantly more power at both light and heavy workloads.

Bro, that's not MP3 PLAYBACK, that's MP3 encoding. Do you really think they'd benchmark a modern CPU just playing back an MP3? Something handheld devices could do while sipping power for over 20 years? Come on man.
I highly doubt the findings of your link showing the newer Intel chips drawing more at idle. Very unlikely. I know for a fact even a 10900k can easily idle as low as the 7700k and 10100f. I believe I've seen other users report 12th gen also doing just as low. Unless something dramatically changed in 13th gen, then it's more likely the test was flawed. An Intel system can idle at extremely low power draw, even doing very light tasks like watching movies or streams, browsing the web, etc but NOTHING you can do with your AMD system will get it running anywhere near as low power as the Intel rig even if it's just sitting there doing nothing, nevermind if your slightly using the PC in some super easy way.

I really don't get why you guys are simping so hard for AMD on this subject in particular. You're objectively wrong about it. The entire system power is far higher on AMD setups. I have seen it with my own two eyes and live it on my own hardware. I've tried everything I possibly could to "fix" it but there's nothing you can do. These chips are amazingly efficient under load but are absolutely horrible at idle. The boost algorithms, C state management, SoC power draw etc all basically mean it's impossible to get this tech down to actual low power states. Why do you think their mobile chips are all monolithic like Intel? Because it's the only way to make them power efficient in the lower end of the performance spectrum. They objectively suck in the desktop space at low loads.

 

[simpatico]

is Intel cooked?

AMD survived Bulldozer. In hindsight I really have no idea how.

 

[sigmaZ]

I had issues early on with my latest build with crashing but it turned out to be a memory setting in the ASUS BIOS. Once I tuned that off, everything worked fine except for when there are Windows updates in the background that eat up my disc and CPU

 

[Poppyseed]

FWIW i have had 0 issues with my 13700k

Same. I literally only use my PC for gaming with my 4090, and not had any issues.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Bro, that's not MP3 PLAYBACK, that's MP3 encoding. Do you really think they'd benchmark a modern CPU just playing back an MP3? Something handheld devices could do while sipping power for over 20 years? Come on man.
I highly doubt the findings of your link showing the newer Intel chips drawing more at idle. Very unlikely. I know for a fact even a 10900k can easily idle as low as the 7700k and 10100f. I believe I've seen other users report 12th gen also doing just as low. Unless something dramatically changed in 13th gen, then it's more likely the test was flawed. An Intel system can idle at extremely low power draw, even doing very light tasks like watching movies or streams, browsing the web, etc but NOTHING you can do with your AMD system will get it running anywhere near as low power as the Intel rig even if it's just sitting there doing nothing, nevermind if your slightly using the PC in some super easy way.

I really don't get why you guys are simping so hard for AMD on this subject in particular. You're objectively wrong about it. The entire system power is far higher on AMD setups. I have seen it with my own two eyes and live it on my own hardware. I've tried everything I possibly could to "fix" it but there's nothing you can do. These chips are amazingly efficient under load but are absolutely horrible at idle. The boost algorithms, C state management, SoC power draw etc all basically mean it's impossible to get this tech down to actual low power states. Why do you think their mobile chips are all monolithic like Intel? Because it's the only way to make them power efficient in the lower end of the performance spectrum. They objectively suck in the desktop space at low loads.

That's the most reliable site in my country (in fact I would even say their tests are the best in the world), so I have no reason to doubt that their measurements are correct. There's however obviously something wrong with your measurements, or your specific PC setup, because no tech site has tested nearly 200W idle on any AMD CPU.

It's not about siding with AMD, you're just posting information that's just plain wrong.

As for that techpowerup chart it wasnt specified if it was MP3 playbacak or encoding, but power draw was very low (around 30W) therefore we can classify it as a light workload. Techpowerup chart includes more light workloads (with similar low power consumption), and you still said that I'm only showing heavy workloads, which is simply not true. You're ignoring information that contradicts what you're saying.

EDIT - And to prove what I said, here are my own measurements.

I'm measuring my whole PC power draw but without monitor (7800X3D, MSI gaming X670E motherboard, MSI MPG A850G PSU, 32GB DDR5 6000MHz using EXPO profile, 2x HDD, 1x NVME KS3000, Sound Blaster Titanium HD PCIe, GTX1080, TPlink TX20U, razer RGB M+K).

IDLE with all necessary applications running in the background (antivirus, razer central, sound blaster panel, etc.). Just 90W, not bad cosidering I'm using PBO max settings and I havent even udervolted my CPU, or limited it's performance in anyway.

When I move the mouse cursor, the power consumption increases from 90W to 96W.

IDLE but with RGB lighting on (6 ARGB fans + ARGB HUB) - 101W

When I start my PC and applications are just loading, the power consumption increases to 125-140W, then after about 10 seconds the power consumption drops to 90W

MP3 playback - 95W

Youtube - 96W

Bluray 1080p using windows media player - 96W

Bluray using media player classic + MAD video renderer (high quality postprocessing filters, scalers, sharpening etc.) - 138W

UHD H.265 movies using windows media player - 109W

UHD H.265 movies using MAD video renderer - 141W

Rise Of The Tomb Raider 1440p (uncaped framerate, 100-99% GPU usage) - 305W

Cinebench (Multicore benchmark, all 8x CPU cores at 100% usage) - 165W

Even Cinebench cant reach 200W on my PC, and you said your AMD CPU uses that much at idle.

 

[marquimvfs]

AMD survived Bulldozer. In hindsight I really have no idea how.

Yes, Intel also survived Pentium 4 and Itanium, sandy bridge era chipset fiasco and so on. They are also part of the USA Chips Act, government tentacles are all over it. If there's someone who could surf trough this, is them.

 

[welshrat]

Yes, Intel also survived Pentium 4 and Itanium, sandy bridge era chipset fiasco and so on. They are also part of the USA Chips Act, government tentacles are all over it. If there's someone who could surf trough this, is them.

Agreed, I can't see it causing them to fail however they will lose consumer confidence if they don't handle this correctly.

A good RMA scheme will need to be set up.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Agreed, I can't see it causing them to fail however they will lose consumer confidence if they don't handle this correctly.

A good RMA scheme will need to be set up.

But what can Intel do when ALL of their available CPUs are affected? They can't give people a fully functional product. Should they give people their money back? Intel would go bankrupt in that case

 

[proandrad]

Nothing to see here, multiple gaf posters have announced they have had no issues.

 

[welshrat]

But what can Intel do when ALL of their available CPUs are affected? They can't give people a fully functional product. Should they give people their money back? Intel would go bankrupt in that case

Yeah, I really have no idea. Really doesn't look good for them at the moment. No one is even sure what the issue is at this stage.

"We at Alderon Games, working on the multiplayer dinosaur survival game Path of Titans, has been encountering significant problems with Intel CPU stability. These issues, including crashes, instability, and memory corruption, are confined to the 13th and 14th generation processors. Despite all released microcode, BIOS, and firmware updates, the problem remains unresolved.

We have identified failures in five main areas:

• End Customers: Thousands of crashes on Intel CPUs on 13th and 14th Gen CPUs in our crash reporting tools.
• Official Dedicated Game Servers:Experiencing constant crashes, taking entire servers down.
• Development Team: Developers using these CPUs face frequent instability while building and working on the game. It can also cause SSD and memory corruption.
• Game Server Providers: Hosting community servers with persistent crashing issues.
• Benchmarking Tools: Decompression and memory tests unrelated to Path of Titans also fail.

Over the last 4 months, we have observed that CPUs initially working that then deteriorate over time, eventually failing.

Actions We Are Taking​

To prevent further harm to our game, we are implementing the following measures:

• Server Migration: We are swapping all our servers to AMD.
• Hosting Recommendations: We advise anyone hosting Path of Titans servers or selling game servers to avoid purchasing or using 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs.
• In-Game Notifications: We are adding a popup message in-game to inform users with these processors about the issue. Many users are currently unaware of why their game is crashing and what they can do about it."

 

[JohnnyFootball]

This is bizarre. I was under the impression that they constantly test chips at each production process to avoid this situation?

It’s obvious these CPUs were rushed out. Not defending Intel but testing for long term damage isn’t easy.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

This is bizarre. I was under the impression that they constantly test chips at each production process to avoid this situation?

 

[Celcius]

Yeah, I really have no idea. Really doesn't look good for them at the moment. No one is even sure what the issue is at this stage.

"We at Alderon Games, working on the multiplayer dinosaur survival game Path of Titans, has been encountering significant problems with Intel CPU stability. These issues, including crashes, instability, and memory corruption, are confined to the 13th and 14th generation processors. Despite all released microcode, BIOS, and firmware updates, the problem remains unresolved.

We have identified failures in five main areas:

• End Customers: Thousands of crashes on Intel CPUs on 13th and 14th Gen CPUs in our crash reporting tools.
• Official Dedicated Game Servers:Experiencing constant crashes, taking entire servers down.
• Development Team: Developers using these CPUs face frequent instability while building and working on the game. It can also cause SSD and memory corruption.
• Game Server Providers: Hosting community servers with persistent crashing issues.
• Benchmarking Tools: Decompression and memory tests unrelated to Path of Titans also fail.

Over the last 4 months, we have observed that CPUs initially working that then deteriorate over time, eventually failing.

Actions We Are Taking​

To prevent further harm to our game, we are implementing the following measures:

• Server Migration: We are swapping all our servers to AMD.
• Hosting Recommendations: We advise anyone hosting Path of Titans servers or selling game servers to avoid purchasing or using 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs.
• In-Game Notifications: We are adding a popup message in-game to inform users with these processors about the issue. Many users are currently unaware of why their game is crashing and what they can do about it."

"It can also cause SSD and memory corruption"
Causing memory and SSD corruption is a bigger deal to me than just the crashing. First time I've heard anyone mention this.

 

[OverHeat]

Love the plebs who say there having no problem but don’t have top end CPU…

 

[Leonidas]

Love the plebs who say there having no problem but don’t have top end CPU…

Love the master racer whose 7950X, I beat with my mid-range overclocked 13600K, before you upgraded to an X3D variant months later

 

[simpatico]

I wonder if anyone already invested in these chips can undervolt them and mitigate some of the degradation.

 

[OverHeat]

Love the master racer whose 7950X, I beat with my mid-range overclocked 13600K, before you upgraded to an X3D variant months later

Meh…got my money worth for the time I had it won’t do the same mistake twice will wait a couple of month for the latest and greatest and still beat your ass

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Love the master racer whose 7950X, I beat with my mid-range overclocked 13600K, before you upgraded to an X3D variant months later

This is like bragging about an athlete who has huge upside, but is frequently injured and off-the-field. I much rather have a CPU that won't break on me and cause headaches.

 

[Leonidas]

Meh…got my money worth for the time I had it won’t do the same mistake twice will wait a couple of month for the latest and greatest and still beat your ass

Glad that I don't make such mistakes and spent less than 1/2 as much while getting 90% of your gaming performance after your X3D upgrade

There is nothing preventing me from getting a top end CPU, I had the top end gaming CPU on multiple occasions... I just don't really see the point today when your $600-$700 CPU has the gaming performance of a $300-$350 CPU the next year.

This is like bragging about an athlete who has huge upside, but is frequently injured and off-the-field. I much rather have a CPU that won't break on me and cause headaches.

Luckily my 13600K never caused me headaches or issues and I've overclocked it (to safe levels since I am not foolishly chasing super high clocks at high voltages), and I'll probably be upgrading later this year to a much faster CPU

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Luckily my 13600K never caused me headaches or issues and I've overclocked it (to safe levels since I am not foolishly chasing super high clocks at high voltages), and I'll probably be upgrading later this year to a much faster CPU

Trust me bro™ posting intensifies...

 

[Codeblew]

Love the master racer whose 7950X, I beat with my mid-range overclocked 13600K, before you upgraded to an X3D variant months later

Interesting that this is your first post in the thread. What is your take on the topic?

 

[Zathalus]

Is there anyway to test for this particular issue? My 13900k seems fine in gaming and benchmarks but better to be aware of the issue before it starts causing issues.

 

[welshrat]

Is there anyway to test for this particular issue? My 13900k seems fine in gaming and benchmarks but better to be aware of the issue before it starts causing issues.

Not sure but I would jump on Reddit and take a look at alderons posts as there is a lot more information.

 

[winjer]

Is there anyway to test for this particular issue? My 13900k seems fine in gaming and benchmarks but better to be aware of the issue before it starts causing issues.

Since we don't yet know the exact causes, not even Intel, it's impossible to say for sure.
But it seems to be core voltage. Run Y-cruncher with HWinfo and see what core voltage you are getting.
The closer to 1.5v, the worst.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

That's the most reliable site in my country (in fact I would even say their tests are the best in the world), so I have no reason to doubt that their measurements are correct. There's however obviously something wrong with your measurements, or your specific PC setup, because no tech site has tested nearly 200W idle on any AMD CPU.

It's not about siding with AMD, you're just posting information that's just plain wrong.

As for that techpowerup chart it wasnt specified if it was MP3 playbacak or encoding, but power draw was very low (around 30W) therefore we can classify it as a light workload. Techpowerup chart includes more light workloads (with similar low power consumption), and you still said that I'm only showing heavy workloads, which is simply not true. You're ignoring information that contradicts what you're saying.

EDIT - And to prove what I said, here are my own measurements.

I'm measuring my whole PC power draw but without monitor (7800X3D, MSI gaming X670E motherboard, MSI MPG A850G PSU, 32GB DDR5 6000MHz using EXPO profile, 2x HDD, 1x NVME KS3000, Sound Blaster Titanium HD PCIe, GTX1080, TPlink TX20U, razer RGB M+K).

IDLE with all necessary applications running in the background (antivirus, razer central, sound blaster panel, etc.). Just 90W, not bad cosidering I'm using PBO max settings and I havent even udervolted my CPU, or limited it's performance in anyway.

When I move the mouse cursor, the power consumption increases from 90W to 96W.

IDLE but with RGB lighting on (6 ARGB fans + ARGB HUB) - 101W

When I start my PC and applications are just loading, the power consumption increases to 125-140W, then after about 10 seconds the power consumption drops to 90W

MP3 playback - 95W

Youtube - 96W

Bluray 1080p using windows media player - 96W

Bluray using media player classic + MAD video renderer (high quality postprocessing filters, scalers, sharpening etc.) - 138W

UHD H.265 movies using windows media player - 109W

UHD H.265 movies using MAD video renderer - 141W

Rise Of The Tomb Raider 1440p (uncaped framerate, 100-99% GPU usage) - 305W

Cinebench (Multicore benchmark, all 8x CPU cores at 100% usage) - 165W

Even Cinebench cant reach 200W on my PC, and you said your AMD CPU uses that much at idle.

I said my SETUP pulls 200w, including my monitor (65w) and my 5.1 surround speaker system (36w.) PC by itself is around 100w which is close to what yours shows. What's not close is you claiming your PC is only pulling an extra 6w when watching YouTube. I call bullshit on that. My system goes from 198w to 232w just from going from idle on google.com to YouTube or Twitch and playing a video stream. The only difference between our PCs that could explain anything at all is I have 64GB DDR5 6000 and you have 32GB. The increased capacity calls for higher SoC voltage. Open up HWinfo64 and check your SoC voltage because I'm gonna call serious BS if it's anywhere north of 1.05v, which is what mine draws at stock no EXPO.

 

[Danknugz]

13900kf and the only lock ups i've had were due to the asus bloatware (happened maybe 4 or 5 times and was remedied by disabling the asus services and disabling auto install it in the BIOS).

i've run it pretty hard too, machine learning training AI models for > 12 hours at a time, that's more GPU but still uses CPU constantly, only lock up i had was when i forgot to kill the asus services. i haven't tried playing any shitty games with it though.

i've never had a problem with intel but plenty of problems with AMD which is why i never touch AMD anymore. i learned that lesson 20 years ago

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

I said my SETUP pulls 200w, including my monitor (65w) and my 5.1 surround speaker system (36w.) PC by itself is around 100w which is close to what yours shows. What's not close is you claiming your PC is only pulling an extra 6w when watching YouTube. I call bullshit on that. My system goes from 198w to 232w just from going from idle on google.com to YouTube or Twitch and playing a video stream. The only difference between our PCs that could explain anything at all is I have 64GB DDR5 6000 and you have 32GB. The increased capacity calls for higher SoC voltage. Open up HWinfo64 and check your SoC voltage because I'm gonna call serious BS if it's anywhere north of 1.05v, which is what mine draws at stock no EXPO.

At least now you are being specific, because users before you did not include the monitor and speakers in their measurements, and review sites do not include them either. If your PC pulls only 100 watts, I have no idea why you were so upset about the high power consumption of AMD CPUs. You wrote that your 7950x3D sucks power like crazy at idle (those are your own words), and I dont think 100W idle on a 16C32T CPU is that bad. Dude, your old i7 was only 4C8T, so no wonder it was even more power efficient. If you bought a modern i7 like 13700K / 14700K, not to mention i9, your PC would use even more power compared to your AMD PC.

I checked again how much youtube draws and made sure to run a 4K stream). It's between 96-98W (6-8W more compared to IDLE), and from my perspective, that's nothing to cry about. You bought a high-end PC and are worried about such low power consumption, your behavior makes no sense whatsoever.