FloweryMarston
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I love pretty much everything about the Gerudo in Breath of the Wild
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I have detailed ideas I may elaborate on in another thread, at another time, but I think the Dark World would be a great setting for an MM-style "gaiden," and a smart way to recycle certain assets for a quicker development time (with modifications to color scheme, etc, for a more carnivalesque atmosphere again, like MM).
Personally, I'd like a focus on cave exploration in a potential sequel. More traditional dungeons would also be appreciated, but I definitely liked the Divine Beasts as well. Taken as their own thing, they were quite compelling for a number of reasons, including their dungeon-wide manipulation mechanics, their nonlinear nature, their open design and the way they're grounded in the surrounding environment, how the lighting (and feel of the level) changes with the time of day since you can see the sky, their sheer scale, etc.
Sky's really the limit, though, in terms of where they go next. BotW is such a paradigm shift for the series. It's exciting to be, well, excited again.
lvl99 Pixel
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Majoras Mask ruined every following game in terms of NPCs. Differing daily schedules etc, but after this game its mostly just been npcs waiting around to tell you their line similar to jrpgs in the SNES era.
Me too, rito has the best side quest and best theme
Dark_3nergy
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THAT IS SO CUTE, I LOVE IT. I feel like a POS for missing out on this NPC behavior! :'(
The Rito kids are ridiculously adorable. So is Cottla (the younger Sheikah sister who runs around Kakariko playing hide 'n' seek). So is her sister's thinking pose. So are the Zora kids with their bulbous heads floating in their pools. So is that lil' girl in Hateno who does the Bolson dance. So are the Goron kids with their huge teeth and roly-poly bodies.
OMG, now I want to see what a baby Korok would look like.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
WELL, my reading is that the Wind Waker Rito were never a real "race," they were Zora that were given wings by divine intervention when they came of age, and started to develop beaks and slight bird traits after living like this for a while.
BoTW Rito are a "true" bird race that just happens to share a name with the kinda-Zoras. Maybe they developed over 10,000 years, but I suspect they were present back during the Twilight Princess era but just not featured in the game at all. Maybe they lived elsewhere, more isolated, there's a wide world beyond the kingdom of Hyrule after all. (There are anthropomorphic bird people added to wall textures in Hyrule Castle Town in TP HD, it may have been foreshadowing for this.)
The Japanese word for "bird" is tori, written to-ri in their syllabary, so rito is just bird backwards, it's pretty generic. "Bird people." Easy enough to apply to two distinct groups.
Why we still got monkeys?
Nah. Make it as a remake/retcon of links awakening. Dealing with link dream while in stasis. Since its a dream you can reuse characters but change the roles. Also make him being able to track down memories of his village and anything before the calamity (a peaceful hyrule) to expand botw, heck you could retcon marin to be someone he knew as a child. Then make the same revelation that beating the game = waking up = losing all the memories he recovered an destroying the island, make the final boss his fears (calamity ganon, fighting the other champions, his last stand in hateno fort , etc) and finish the game with the intro of botw, the one with the light and zelda saying open your eyes as you wake up.
I'd hope not, tbh. I can see them scaling him up so he's not dwarfed by them, but I wouldn't be impressed if they made him taller than all of them again. Also media totally needs to stop using height as a measure of manliness.
While it doesn't really match it, a lot of the Gerudo lore updates reminds me of MGDMT's portrayal of Ganondorf, which put quite a bit of thought into what a man raised in a society of almost entirely amazonian women 's idea of gender roles would be.
If anything, I'm most impressed that even the non-humanoid races come in a variety of shapes and colours. I've seen a lot of settings only add that for humans as a quota filling exercise, and then neglect the others because they're not human so we won't notice. I think only the Sheikah were particularly limited in appearance, though I don't remember how diverse Hylians were since I never paid attention to who was hylian and who was human.
While we're at it, are the humans, gerudo, sheikah and hylians meant to be different species, akin to Tolkien's humans, elves and dwarves, or are they more like real world ethnicities?
Maybe BotW's Rito originally were Zoras, but they're simply an evolutionary offshoot. Kinda like humans and Neanderthals are considered different species but can trace their evolutionary line back to chimps, and the two coexisted for a time. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, I'm most definitely not a scientist!)
I liked the Gerudo too, and I actually missed all the whole Riju post-dungeon stuff. She asked me if I wanted the Thunder Helm and I was like "nah, I'm good" without realizing that there was a lot of questing behind it.
Time to check it out later.
As for the whole women-only thing, I did find it odd that Riju didn't tell the other Gerudo that Link was allowed to hang out there afterwards. I'm also still confused how they handle husbands. They seem kind of sheltered about how to meet men when they leave the city, and once they find one, are those Gerudo women forced to live outside the city to stay with their husbands? They never really work that part out.
Time to check it out later.
As for the whole women-only thing, I did find it odd that Riju didn't tell the other Gerudo that Link was allowed to hang out there afterwards. I'm also still confused how they handle husbands. They seem kind of sheltered about how to meet men when they leave the city, and once they find one, are those Gerudo women forced to live outside the city to stay with their husbands? They never really work that part out.
I think she does too. She sounds a lot more sure of herself than the other fairies because she's the oldest one.
I think they're ethnicities.
Dark_3nergy
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If Build a Bear workshop got into a agreement with Nintendo to license/make plushes for the Rito kids, my wallet would suffer. I would want to buy every kid in that screenshot as a plush. The coloring on them is fantastic!
It is a nice change of pace to see children NPC in games. In a lot of these open world games, we really don't get to see a nice variety of different age groups. BOTW did a good job in giving us at good handful of age groups with each race we encountered.
I guess you could say, it's a nice breath of fresh air ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
GiantBreadbug
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This was the third "main area" I visited about 120+ hours in. Agree totally with everything you've said. Still have a good bit to do here as well!
Fantastic screenshots as well.
Fantastic screenshots as well.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
The BotW Rito being so clearly derived from various real-world birds makes me think they evolved from actual birds, not Zora, or any shared ancestor.
Or not, considering that creation myths in Zelda aren't myths. They were probably plopped down just like that.
Goldenroad
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The Gerudo area is great, but I'll also say that it was my least favorite of the Divine Beasts. The whole rotating cylinders thing was way too frustrating for me for some reason, plus the boss is pretty cheap when you're underspecced. Came back after getting the
and beat him without ever using a health item.
Master Sword
This is a cool idea, but my heart couldn't handle getting attached to characters and then losing them in a dream world that dissolves again. :-(
I think "physically imposing stature" is the presence they go for with Ganondorf. Nothing to do with any concepts of manliness. He holds the Triforce of Power, and I think his design is meant to embody that in terms of physicality and brute strength. So if he were in BotW, I imagine he'd be the biggest humanoid of any race. It'd be pretty neat to see, IMO.
Yeah, the non-human variety is great. I like how the Rito draw inspiration from osprey, eagles, owls, even macaws (Kass). And then the Zora draw upon fish, rays, sharks, etc. Even the Gorons have variety with different "rock formations" for their shells and shoulders, not to mention different skin tones (black Gorons, etc).WPS said:
As for the nature of the Sheikah... It's hard to say whether they'd be considered a separate "species." If nothing else, they have a strong genetic disposition toward certain traits, namely the silver hair.
UnemployedVillain
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BOTW easily has my favorite children characters in any game. Everything from their dialog to the way they run is super adorable
It's just a shame they gave them high heels, especially since the game makes sort of a big deal out of the importance of wearing "sand boots." No idea how they justified that art choice, especially since other female travelers, warriors and a princesses in the game were allowed to wear perfectly reasonable hiking footwear.
The Gerudo woman who sells wheat and rice tells you that she's married. It appears that Gerudo women who marry can still come back to Gerudo Town to conduct business. I imagine they leave town to live with their husbands at the end of their shift, though.
Maybe I'm being charitable here, but I like to imagine the Gerudo wear heels as a fashion statement (expressing their individuality) and they're able to do so comfortably because they grew up in the desert, are incredibly athletic and accustomed to sand.
But that's just me fan-fiction-ing!
foxuzamaki
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Guess whose back, back again.
Hispanic! At the Disco
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I got into a bad fight with a few lizafoes and was down to 3 hearts. Bloodmoon rises and the Molduga theme began. 3 hearts, 3 lizafoes, 1 molduga. Was an intense battle but I still won in the end.
That music added to the epicness.
peanutbutterlatte
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Ah the boundless enthusiasm of an EatChildren post <3
I don't know who from BotW needs to make it in the Smash but SOMEBODY needs a Divine Beast Final Smash. Nothing has ever made more sense to me as an obvious idea.
I don't know who from BotW needs to make it in the Smash but SOMEBODY needs a Divine Beast Final Smash. Nothing has ever made more sense to me as an obvious idea.
Heh yeah, the obsession of unnecessarily giving female characters high heels always bugs me. It's nowhere near as egregious as Zero Suit Samus for me at least, that being the absolute nadir of that trope
Abilidebob
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I wish there was an easy and quick way of taking screenshots in the WiiU version. So many shots I wanted to take, but the though of waiting forever to upload to Miiverse bugs me the fuck out.
It's a Neiteio post, thank you very much. Although EatChildren is my Australian idol, so I'm OK with this comparison.
This is easily one of the best features of the Switch. The capture button is QUICK. Much faster than my PS4 Pro.
Only problem is the Switch has a 10,000-shot limit for microSD cards, regardless of their capacity, and a 1,000-shot limit for internal memory (thankfully this is counted separately, so 11,000 shots total).
I figured it was just like most of their design being a juxtaposition of their extremely amazonian physical appearance, super tall, very muscular and rather stern demeanor in contrast to their very hour glass figure and super ornate, rather sensual, and decorative dress style.
So you have these 8+ foot tall, wall of muscle women who are unrealistically attractive and fit but who also dress in very revealing and what we would consider sexy outfits. It's a common enough trope, but works well here as they don't dwell on it.
peanutbutterlatte
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Confusing my famous Gaffers... excuse me... didn't you write a love letter to Kid Icarus one time?
theaffection
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Yeah they're pretty damn sexy and cool
They all irrationally hate men though. Like come on give me a chance I never did anything to you I'm not like all the other guys -.-
They all irrationally hate men though. Like come on give me a chance I never did anything to you I'm not like all the other guys -.-
I've been known to be enthusiastic about a number of things, yes. :-D
EatChildren
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But they don't sell poultry
was I the only one who was really weirded out by a Rito wanting to eat poultry?
*Neiteio looks out his window and notices kangaroos in his backyard*
I'm pretty that was the (darkly disturbing!) joke there.was I the only one who was really weirded out by a Rito wanting to eat poultry?
peanutbutterlatte
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The character designs were all so great, particularly the Zora, but man did the Gorons get the short stick? Like has it been universally acknowledged that the Goron design just sticks whatever? They look the same across all titles.
was I the only one who was really weirded out by a Rito wanting to eat poultry?
There are a few types of birds that are cannibals. Seagulls for one.
I kept scrolling and the post didn't end.
I really liked how the Gerudo were handled in this game. As any nerdy Zelda fan can tell you, seeing the Gerudo have an expanded role is something everyone wanted. Their distinct culture separated from the Hylians, the dynamics of how an all-female society works, the fact that the big bad is one of them... all of these could lead to very interesting stories. There was no analogue for them in Majora's Mask, and they were hauntingly absent from Twilight Princess. They were completely ignored in Skyward Sword and Wind Waker (well, except for one). Nintendo managed to flesh out a lot of the key aspects of their appearance in Ocarina while also giving them more distinguishable traits, both in their personalities and how their society functions. I would like to see them expand more on what they think of Ganon. Urbosa mentions briefly that Ganon was a Gerudo, but everyone else doesn't mention it. I suppose it's so far removed from OoT that everyone forgot. Though we still go back to the "What about all the other Gerudo males?" question. Maybe in BotW 2...
The desert region as a whole is remarkable as well. When compared to visual diversity and unique topography of the rest of Hyrule, the idea of a largely flat desert seems rather bland. However, they managed to incorporate so many unique aspects to make the area stand out. The shifting temperatures force you to be aware of your situation, which can be doubly difficult once enemies start to pound on you out of nowhere. Molduga is easily the best field boss and feels like a real Zelda boss fight. The game captures the feeling of being lost in a desert, chasing an endless horizon, and then the sweeping relief when you find an oasis or notable landmark. This is really highlighted in the quest where you have to traverse a sandstorm. The desert being dotted by ruins and remarkable statues also gives the area a real sense of history that is disconnected from the rest of Hyrule. Gerudo Valley's storied Spirit Temple from OoT and the oppressive Arbiter's Grounds from TP also gave those areas the same feeling.
THIS GAME IS SO GOOD SAND SEALS HOW DO THEY EVEN THINK UP THIS STUFF
I really liked how the Gerudo were handled in this game. As any nerdy Zelda fan can tell you, seeing the Gerudo have an expanded role is something everyone wanted. Their distinct culture separated from the Hylians, the dynamics of how an all-female society works, the fact that the big bad is one of them... all of these could lead to very interesting stories. There was no analogue for them in Majora's Mask, and they were hauntingly absent from Twilight Princess. They were completely ignored in Skyward Sword and Wind Waker (well, except for one). Nintendo managed to flesh out a lot of the key aspects of their appearance in Ocarina while also giving them more distinguishable traits, both in their personalities and how their society functions. I would like to see them expand more on what they think of Ganon. Urbosa mentions briefly that Ganon was a Gerudo, but everyone else doesn't mention it. I suppose it's so far removed from OoT that everyone forgot. Though we still go back to the "What about all the other Gerudo males?" question. Maybe in BotW 2...
The desert region as a whole is remarkable as well. When compared to visual diversity and unique topography of the rest of Hyrule, the idea of a largely flat desert seems rather bland. However, they managed to incorporate so many unique aspects to make the area stand out. The shifting temperatures force you to be aware of your situation, which can be doubly difficult once enemies start to pound on you out of nowhere. Molduga is easily the best field boss and feels like a real Zelda boss fight. The game captures the feeling of being lost in a desert, chasing an endless horizon, and then the sweeping relief when you find an oasis or notable landmark. This is really highlighted in the quest where you have to traverse a sandstorm. The desert being dotted by ruins and remarkable statues also gives the area a real sense of history that is disconnected from the rest of Hyrule. Gerudo Valley's storied Spirit Temple from OoT and the oppressive Arbiter's Grounds from TP also gave those areas the same feeling.
THIS GAME IS SO GOOD SAND SEALS HOW DO THEY EVEN THINK UP THIS STUFF
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