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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product
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LectureMaster
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I think if it's just a pronoun, most people would just give it a laughter and play the game. But this retard acted like the game is his weapon to wage war on Musk, and threatening "wait till you see the default". Who's thinking this gonna end well?
Besides, it's not his game, it's a productor of a mass team. If the game bombs, he probably won't lose job but other would get laid off because of his stupid shits.
Bernardougf
Member
Have you seen those female models ? If that shit dosent psychological scare you I dont know what does.Clearly?
Didn't expect Avowed to be a Psychological Horror game, but I guess the tag has been clearly applied by the developer
LectureMaster
Gold Member
It's good guy got banned, we can't offer facility or professional help here for that mentality
GHG
Member
11 days ago, someone, somewhere added the LGBTQ tag to the game when it wasn't even being talked about. Somehow, despite it not being talked about, that tag gained enough traction to get added to the game's page and warrant a SteamDB update. All just an incredible coincidence of course.
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Bernardougf
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Jaybe
Member
Seeing what this Obsidian employee puts out in public, I’d love for his and and Obsidian’s HR’s internal emails and messages to come out in a lawsuit
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Bernardougf
Member
11 days ago, someone, somewhere added the LGBTQ tag to the game when it wasn't even being talked about. Somehow, despite it not being talked about, that tag gained enough traction to get added to the game's page and warrant a SteamDB update. All just an incredible coincidence of course.
GHG
Member
Wait until
Ass of Can Whooping
hears about this new innovative way to sabotage Microsoft's game releases on Steam.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
11 days ago, someone, somewhere added the LGBTQ tag to the game when it wasn't even being talked about. Somehow, despite it not being talked about, that tag gained enough traction to get added to the game's page and warrant a SteamDB update. All just an incredible coincidence of course.
Removed 12 or so hours later.
So was it Obsidian who added the tag, or deleted it?
Bernardougf
Member
In this case trowing a gamepass tag is good or bad for sales ?Wait until
GHG
Member
Removed 12 or so hours later.
So was it Obsidian who added the tag, or deleted it?
They then added it back a couple of days later:
That's the level of indecision and flip flopping we've come to expect.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
LectureMaster
Gold Member
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I really don't know if this is going to affect sales all that much. The gaming community is a different animal from the overall population. A pretty decent chunk of the gaming community is on board with a lot of loony stuff. Much larger than the percentage of the general population. So I think most of the people who this annoys were never going to buy the game anyway or weren't even gamers. And ultimately, if people want to play it and it gets good reviews, I think their curiosity will win out in the end. After all, look how well Kingdom Come Deliverance did. After all the shit it got in the gaming community, it sold a lot. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that most people don't care despite claiming they do online, but also their curiosity won out over any actual principles.
Me personally, I think pronoun usage is fucking stupid and illogical. Is it something I spent time actively thinking about in my day to day life? No. I don't plan to buy this game. It has more to do with me thinking it doesn't look very good than the pronoun thing, but that is a small part of it. Less about the pronoun inclusion in itself and more "If games with weird stuff sell well, it'll open the door for other stuff down the road that is far more annoying." Would I buy a game that has something like this that looks like an amazing 10/10 game? Can't say right now, I'd have to see how I feel if/when that situation arises.
lmimmfn
Member
The tag is still there for LGBT+Removed 12 or so hours later.
So was it Obsidian who added the tag, or deleted it?
Who cares if it comes from users or the publisher, for Concord it was removed before release and mist likely by the publisher because the tags used would be set by users and I doubt they would all removed the tag they added and it falls below a threshold.
Either way the tag is descriptive and perfect for users to avoid a purchase.
MiguelItUp
Member
I was going to say you can check via SteamDB to double check, and there we go.See my response below.
You can face-palm all you like, but they are the ones adding these tags to the store page:
The SteamDB update history shows the changes the developers are making.
Honestly, I have no idea why they'd do that, lmao.
clarky
Gold Member
If/When is how xbox should identify.
vanillaFace
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The plight of the Liberal White.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
This, that weirdo wouldn't have been in trouble if it was simply trigger tagging people or even disagreeing but to antagonizing and patronizing others for simply not agreeing with it's sick ways, trying to start a flame war with GHG and doing weird insults related to his cat.
Stu Hart's pronouns is now Was/Were just like Concords.
Agreed if it's just that then while still silly and not needed but could be overlooked a lot easier. Just sucks that it's usually a sign to something worse later in the game. A sign of infestation, sickness, and corruption that's going to reveal itself later in the game.
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LectureMaster
Gold Member
Yeah, I think the bottom line for gamers is really simple - if the game is good, it will sell good, regardless other factors.
Problem is 9 out of 10 times, the games that associated with hot controversies are not good ones. If fact, I think it's because the devs were focusing on the "controversies" that they didn't have capability to make their games better quality.
Anyway, in terms of Avowed, since it's launching on game pass, we will never know the sales. If it ends up being decent, I will play it.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You should see us off GAF.
GHG
Member
I'm just thankful to
adamsapple
for showing me the way. None of this is any of the developers faults.If it wasn't for the pesky unwashed steam masses adding these abhorrent and offensive tags to the game, none of this would be happening.
Make Avowed great again.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The publisher will probably be removing some of these shortly as well, I doubt they put, or want to keep, tags like Political, or Psychological Horror on the game.
Humdinger
Gold Member
It occurred to me that, even when it comes to pronouns, this philosophy is basically parasitic rather than creative. They couldn't get any of their other 40 pronouns to catch on. The best they were able to do is take "they/them," a standard English pronoun that is perfectly functional, and screw it up, lol. Sort of like what they do with movie franchises.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
This is far less overt than Dragon Age, which had actual dialogue that basically preached pronoun usage and how wrong it is to misuse them. It shoved activism down your throat. It doesn't appear this game does it, but I guess we'll find out.
In general people just don't like activism in their games. I don't think they dislike it enough to not play games that look great, but people dislike being preached to. And I guarantee you'd see the same thing if it was the other way. The "you don't like pronouns? Go cope" people would be having a total meltdown if a game had a billboard in it that said something like "I stand with JK Rowling" or banned the word Terf as a slur in character creator or something. Regardless of who people are or what they believe, no one likes feeling they're being preached to. We'll see where things are in 5 years or so in this regard.
Sentenza
Member
How does this stupid "gotcha" keep being flaunted around is beyond me.
- Most of these you are listening aren't even "pronouns", but honorifics. Not even remotely the same thing.
- No one is questioning if "spoken languages contain pronouns" in general. What's ill-conceived is this entirely modern notion that some people should be entitled to define their own personalized pronouns, not in accordance to the language, but depending on their own narcissism.
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LectureMaster
Gold Member
Need to go and play game.. I can't be the same loser yesterday.You guys ruined my day.
Wife's at work, kiddo at school, I took the day off to have some solitary gaming time that is long overdue.
And yet I spent the whole time here watchingGHG @Kacho @demigod and more doing the glorious roasting feast, the whole fucking day. Now I need to go picking up my kiddo and cook for wife.
Screw you all!!!
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Matt is a real treasure
From pronous in bio to legal action at MS
From pronous in bio to legal action at MS
FunkMiller
Member
But it identifies as 60fps.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Wait until
Revolutionary
Member
Must be so cathartic for the man after all he's been through the past few years.
GHG
Member
FunkMiller
Member
Well, yes, Elon Musk is in fact a sad piece of shit. Avowed employee spitting some truth. Looking forward to the game
Do you understand that this thread is not about stanning for Musk (although a few do that way to much around here) but is in fact about how stupid it is for a staff member at Obsidian to spew dumb shit on social media so close to the game's release?
Project EVE
Member
why are they always so angry and so disrespectful
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
bender
What time is it?
Clearly?
Didn't expect Avowed to be a Psychological Horror game, but I guess the tag has been clearly applied by the developer
Maybe this is a PSYOP and Obsidian are trying to turn the frogs gay? Let me know if you need some super vitamins.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I already added a Neogaf tag to avowed pages everyone do the same so we can signal boost it.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Do you not understand the pattern of some folks here - "it's not about the game, I'm only here to shit on Musk. If you think the director is deranged then you are Musk's evil Stan!"
Donald mac Ronald
Member
Putting aside the obsidian guys post.
What about the MS internal hiring practices of clearly admitting to paying different groups of people based on their skin colour.
Does MS studios in general have the same hiring practices as obsidian? This all needs it's own thread tbh.
What about the MS internal hiring practices of clearly admitting to paying different groups of people based on their skin colour.
Does MS studios in general have the same hiring practices as obsidian? This all needs it's own thread tbh.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
I think it's good for him to stand up against narrow-minded gamers. Better to speak up than be silent and let transphobic right wingers drag your game through the mud.
bender
What time is it?
I seem to remember that Microsoft has, for lack of a better term, a score card for new hires and promotions and being in an underrepresented group automatically adds points to the tally which gives those people a leg up in the hiring/promotion process.
FunkMiller
Member
You think it's good for the art director on a major Triple AAA game to stoke the culture war without first double checking with the PR team? You think it's a good idea for him to potentially threaten the livelihoods of his co-workers, just to score some empty points on a social media platform?
...glad I don't work with you.
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