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[demigod]

Ain’t gunna happen.

 

[GulfCoastZilla]

Nothing we could do about it even if it happens.

 

[Wildebeest]

If Beijing wants it, then it is going to happen. Doesn't matter what you, me, or Joe Rogan thinks of it.

 

[OverHeat]

Love the posters that say it won’t happen you guys are in denial

 

[The Fartist]

Love the posters that say it won’t happen you guys are in denial

"I'm alive today in this world, it can't happen, I'm too special for it to happen"

 

[poopchad420]

Nothing ever happens

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

Rich and powerful people like to be rich and powerful too much to destroy Earth in nuclear war.

More proxy wars that keep the military industrial complex going? Of course.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

 

[FunkMiller]

If Beijing wants it, then it is going to happen. Doesn't matter what you, me, or Joe Rogan thinks of it.

Most of Beijing have their own vast wealth tied up in American companies - and they're not going to risk that. Say what you want about global capitalism, but it's a great way to ensure self interest wins out over glorious conquest every time.

 

[FunkMiller]

Besides that, I don't think a US/EU/NATO-army would fare any better. The war in Ukraine is a return to trench warfare because of drone technology. This is a completely new development. The idea of that western weapons and soldiers are superior is just a myth. We spend ridiculous amounts of money on incredibly expensive hitech weapons compared to the Russians but much of it is overpriced junk. None of the weapons employed against Russia were game changers on the battlefield. They're only super powerful in comparison to minor countries with small (or even non existing) armies like Iraq and Afghanistan. It's easy to shock and awe your way to victory against a weak opponent, but that tactic won't work against a country with thousands of working nukes. (The idea that Russia's nuclear arsenal is 99% defective is just ludicrous)

Do you actually think anything really powerful in the US's arsenal has been brought to bear in this conflict? Because it really, really hasn't.

Anybody who thinks America couldn't end this war in an afternoon with a bombardment of every Russian site in Ukrainian territory using tomahawks has not been paying attention to how much fucking money the US spends on its military.

You think all those satellites are up there are doing nothing?

The biggest disinformation campaign waged by the Russians is the idea they have a fucking hope against NATO, unless they go nuclear. Which Putin hasn't done, despite his red lines being crossed again, and again, and again.

Paper. Tiger.

Goat. Fucker.

 

[Wildebeest]

Most of Beijing have their own vast wealth tied up in American companies - and they're not going to risk that. Say what you want about global capitalism, but it's a great way to ensure self interest wins out over glorious conquest every time.

Global capitalism is what was in place before world war one. It is no cast iron guarantee. There are ways where capitalism and war align, such as giving a reason to run up a massive debt not possible in peace and controlling resources and governments.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Global capitalism is what was in place before world war one. It is no cast iron guarantee. There are ways where capitalism and war align, such as giving a reason to run up a massive debt not possible in peace and controlling resources and governments.

The world pre WWI was as globalised as we are now.

The yanks and Chinese will be at each others throats within out lifetimes.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I fucking hope so. This tinned curry isn't going to eat itself.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I'm sure it will happen on the day I retire from work. Won't even get my first SS deposit. The bank will be gone. My paid off house will get blown off it's foundation and the EMP will destroy my electric car. No bridges left anywhere to live under. It's going to be a rough world for the survivors of WW3.

 

[jason10mm]

The world pre WWI was as globalised as we are now.

The yanks and Chinese will be at each others throats within out lifetimes.

Sadly, this COULD be avoided.

The US is uniquely positioned to be energy AND food independent, a very rare capability for most countries and none of the other current world major players can claim the same. The US is also in a great defensive position with oceans on almost all sides (if we kinda fold in Canada) and a southern border that could be closed quickly with any desire to do so.

We could then just kinda sit out China, India, Russia, and Europe deciding who controls what and very quickly the unequal distribution of food and energy would lead to a lot of countries collapsing and mass famine. It may still happen even if the US stays as World Police (TM) but the only real reason the US and China would fight is Chinas desire for regional control (much like Russia in Ukraine) and whether or not the US wants to deny it. China is FUCKED if they can't sort out some serious internal issues with their population.

They are expected to go from this:

to this in just 16 years

That will CRUSH them internally unless they get to having the babies and/or allow MASSIVE immigration, and who is rushing to go to CHINA?

The US and the West can avoid this situation by selective immigration of "the productive ones" and then try to culturally indoctrinate them as much as possible to preserve the local customs and language but I don't think China can do that.

 

[llien]

Global capitalism is what was in place before world war one. It is no cast iron guarantee. There are ways where capitalism and war align.

WW1 had nothing to do with capitalism.
It started at imperial era, when waging wars to move borders was a routine.

Germans felt bad about not having the room to expand, despite having strong industry and quite an army and fleet.

WW2 was the guys who lost WW1 giving it another try.

After that try countries agreed on never moving borders by force again.

What Ruzza and Putler are doing (the f*ck is driven by the butthurt from losing the Cold War, quite like Hitler had BH from WW1, except German WW1 defeat was way more humiliating), if successful, will bring us back into that imperial times. With unpredictable results.


I do NOT believe US would get directly involved if Xi decides to grab Taiwan, which, mind you, is part of People's Republic of China de jure.

I don't see why Putler would stop trying to expand, unless his ass is kicked in major military ways. I hope Collective West gets that before poor Ukrainians bleed out dry.

 

[Wildebeest]

WW1 had nothing to do with capitalism.
It started at imperial era, when waging wars to move borders was a routine.

It wasn't exactly routine in Europe at the time, I think, which is why it was so shocking when weapons like machine guns and gas were used in Europe. At the time, Europe was mostly fighting colonial wars. Like it or not, those wars did have something to do with capitalism, as they were fighting over access to resources and territories. A major diplomatic grievance of Germany was their lack of colonial territory compared to other nations, although thanks to the war they lost all they had.

 

[RaptorGTA]

nope. I dont see it happening.

 

[Kraz]

I do NOT believe US would get directly involved if Xi decides to grab Taiwan, which, mind you, is part of People's Republic of China de jure.

I don't see why Putler would stop trying to expand, unless his ass is kicked in major military ways. I hope Collective West gets that before poor Ukrainians bleed out dry.

The People's Republic of China which Taiwan has remained, de facto its own country.
Given the way PRChina's airforce and navy behave with Ruski-like delinquency makes it seem they may also want to also copy Moscovia's barbarous approach to Ukraine, and Tiananmen Square the people of Taiwan.

Found this old fight song a few months ago when looking for anti-communist music.
The Three Principles mentioned were inspired by Abe Lincoln.


A lack of supporting Taiwan could be taken a sign of American decline.

 

[XXL]

"In 2023, the US spent $916 billion on its military, which was over 40% of the world's total military spending"

There are 195 countries....

Like I said earlier in this thread.....no one wants to find out why the US spends almost 1 TRILLION per year on their military.

That's basically 1% of the worldwide GPD, per year.

Anyone who wants to start WW3...

 

[FunkMiller]

"In 2023, the US spent $916 billion on its military, which was over 40% of the world's total military spending"

There are 195 countries....

Like I said earlier in this thread.....no one wants to find out why the US spends almost 1 TRILLION per year on their military.

That's basically 1% of the worldwide GPD, per year.

Anyone who wants to start WW3...

Moscow's greatest achievement with its disinformation is convincing people it represents a threat to NATO.

 

[Project EVE]

I feel like it's time for them to use AI robots/androids instead of real human to fight in the next war. Also government should start providing shelters and bunkers for us to go to.

 

[Forsete]

I feel we are in it right now.

Fascist ruzzia attacking Europe, china attacking Europe, north korea attacking Europe, iran attacking Europe.
Weaksause response from Europe though, excluding Ukraine which is doing all the fighting.
Not to mention untrustworthy america.

 

[FunkMiller]

I feel we are in it right now.

Fascist ruzzia attacking Europe, china attacking Europe, north korea attacking Europe, iran attacking Europe.
Weaksause response from Europe though, excluding Ukraine which is doing all the fighting.
Not to mention untrustworthy america.

Hard to disagree. Decades of the EU growing fat and complacent, and an America that's so turned in on itself that it's lost a lot of its international worth.

This doesn't result in WW3, but it does make things very rocky for the foreseeable future.

 

[gatti-man]

Russians see Ukranians as a brother people, the two countries were a single country for centuries, a huge number of Russians have family members and friends living there. Putin could easily bomb Ukraine to pieces but he don't because he doesn't want to lose support among common Russians. Hardliners think he's fighting a war with one behind his back. The US wouldn't have these scruples, they can and will bomb countries back to the stone age if they must.

Besides that, I don't think a US/EU/NATO-army would fare any better. The war in Ukraine is a return to trench warfare because of drone technology. This is a completely new development. The idea of that western weapons and soldiers are superior is just a myth. We spend ridiculous amounts of money on incredibly expensive hitech weapons compared to the Russians but much of it is overpriced junk. None of the weapons employed against Russia were game changers on the battlefield. They're only super powerful in comparison to minor countries with small (or even non existing) armies like Iraq and Afghanistan. It's easy to shock and awe your way to victory against a weak opponent, but that tactic won't work against a country with thousands of working nukes. (The idea that Russia's nuclear arsenal is 99% defective is just ludicrous)

Tell me you’re not paying attention without telling me.

Russia HAS bombed ukrain to pieces and the only reason Keive still stands is because of USA anti air equipment bc Russias shit is basic and old as hell. Russia has completely ruined whole regions of Ukraine with zero regard to its citizens women or children. Your post smacks of someone that is completely clueless of any reality in Russia or Ukraine.

Russia is garbage. Seriously. Their economy. Tech. Brain power. All of it is old and might as well be Stone Age quality.

Himars which is 1990s weaponry is giving Russia all it can eat. If you seriously believe the nonsense you posted then why is the war still going on? Why is Russia being completely humiliated and wasted whole generations of its people to a war it could easily win. Answer: you’re 100% wrong.

 

[gatti-man]

I feel we are in it right now.

Fascist ruzzia attacking Europe, china attacking Europe, north korea attacking Europe, iran attacking Europe.
Weaksause response from Europe though, excluding Ukraine which is doing all the fighting.
Not to mention untrustworthy america.

Pray you never see a real world war then. Stay in dream land.

 

[Forsete]

Pray you never see a real world war then. Stay in dream land.

Its still in its infancy, but we are in it.

Weird things are happening all the time in my country.

 

[RaduN]

But it's still war almost three years later and this war could still blow up. I'd hoped that with Trump as the new president there'd be a way out of this mess, but now we have Biden, Macron and Starmer throwing oil onto the fire.

Scary times.

Peace has been on the table since day 1 and every single sensible leader like Zelensky, Biden, Macron, EU leadership were open to it: stop the invasion and retreat from the illegally occupied territories.

Anything else is not "peace" but a successful invasion.

Putin is the Hitler of our times, picture perfect, and inaction from the west, like the likes of Orban, Trump and other Hitler/Putin admirors have been pushing for, would have lead to an exact early days WW2 scenario. Depending on how things evolve in favour of the invaders, that is still on the table unfortunatelly.

 

[Kraz]

I feel we are in it right now.

Fascist ruzzia attacking Europe, china attacking Europe, north korea attacking Europe, iran attacking Europe.
Weaksause response from Europe though, excluding Ukraine which is doing all the fighting.
Not to mention untrustworthy america.

The Ruscists did expect to massacre Ukraine with a sudden, unannounced genocidal attack. With stated intentions of invading other Western nations under flimsy, false pretenses.
That does appear to be the start of WW3. Maybe where legit historians, if any are still around, would mark the start. If not 2014.
Escalating now with their closest ally North Korea and their state sending troops. They definitely didn't expect Pighosin and Wagner to be destroyed along with their best troops in the opening of the invasion.

Ukraine, while on their heels, with hand-me down Western weapons are obliterating the ruscists and their false god. That piece of the true cross aboard the Moscva being taken to the deep with its destruction is hilarious. And they keep pulling out more relics to the same effect.

Ukraine is still fighting by themselves, but Western nations sending troops are being discussed.

 

[Tokio Blues]

It wont happen at the scale we imagine its going to happen. Probably proxy wars in western little villages from some countries.

Not a nuclear war. Is MAD for sure. Nobody is going to risk that much.

Also almost every country in the Planet depends on each other in comercial terms.