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You can no longer buy Forza 5 digitally on Xbox One
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ProBusinessgamer
Member
hmm shortcomings... Those who had previously purchased the game will be able to download it at any time in the future.... sounds fine to me, and if you have not got Forza 5 by now, you probably were never going to buy it.
Liliana Eileen
Member
I started playing this again yesterday and kinda wish there was loot boxes (without crappy % rates, ugh) to spend the loads of credits I have. 40-something million with nothing to spend it on.
Reading helps.
TylerDurden4321
Member
I was Level 530 or so without VIP double XP bonus in FM5, but after playing FH2, FM6, FH3 and the FM7 demo... Yeah, dated. The others are all fine and even FM4 and FH1 are still great, but FM5 had sooo little grip. Less cars and tracks too.
nullpoynter
Member
It definitely was last month or a couple weeks ago as I added it to my library.
It's mentioned in the OP...
Jawmuncher
Member
The GwG thing makes sense now.
Patrick Young
Member
Something to consider with any game that has something licensed in it. Microsoft dropped it on Games With Gold which was good. At least it wasn't like other publishers that let games quietly disappear without giving players a chance.
On the other hand, it's been out for ages. If you didn't want it then, you don't want it now. Preservation is not an issue.
On the other hand, it's been out for ages. If you didn't want it then, you don't want it now. Preservation is not an issue.
What if I wanted a cheap copy? The game is only four years old. MS is being really cheap with licensing lately.
xrnzaaas
Member
That depends. If you've played Forza 6 or 7 then the answer is no. If you can afford to buy Forza 6 (which is really cheap right now) then the answer is also no. ;p The only good reason to play it is to get the points for the Forza loyalty program.
Less tire grip than FM4? Like its harder to make a turn?
I felt MS had lost their way but this year has me interested. FM was my favorite game/series as a 360 owner last gen. As someone who briefly had a Pro but was missing the series Id be tempted to pick up where I left off (even in an abbreviated earn 25 cars, race all tracks 5 times, etc, and move on to 6 fashion).
Preservation has been an issue since greatest hits / DLC complete edition seem to no longer be a thing. In fact Id pay somewhere in the $40 for a retail definitive content of FM5 if it came out today.
The funny thing is though that this isnt some story-based thing, its sort of like a Madden, but sort of not. In Madden you dont have to pay extra to get a digital license to download the quarterback of the Packers, where in FM5 very specific cars are locked away forever.
You still own the game and are able to buy it physically if you want. I see no problem here.
Moose Biscuits
It would be extreamly painful...
This feels rather shortsighted. Unless you mean for this specific example only and not in general?
it was last month and it's mentioned in the OP.
unapersson
Member
Thank goodness for that physical loophole around licensing insanity.
Yearsoflurking
Member
You keep your licenses
Audioboxer
Member
Yup, but the BIG but is... an all-digital future.
Hence why many of us console gamers buy our games on disc. While I'm sure we'll have 8K remasters in 20 years, some games are nice to have catalogued for when you're an "old person" and maybe have kids you want to show games of the past. Or even just play again yourself.
Sony and MS can revoke licenses. It's legal for them to do so EVEN if you've paid them money.
CrashPrime
Member
All digital future implies you cant buy it physically. The danger is going forward with a truely all digital future would be the limited window to make purchases. I can buy physical copies of numerous Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles titles across multiple platforms if I get an itch. I can't buy Reshelled. Now imagine that all titles were digital only.
The commentary was not on an individuals choice to go all digital but rather publishers going that route (like what was attempted with the Xbox One).
SpideySenses
Member
DLC too, which means a few achievements are now unobtainable. Really crappy that they didn't give people any forewarning.
Perhaps I'm crazy but maybe you could spend those credits on cars and upgrades?
Perhaps I'm crazy but maybe you could spend those credits on cars and upgrades?
Fortinbras
Member
So I guess there's one year left for Forza Horizon 2.
Maybe in the United States of Freedom but that shit wouldn't fly here in the EU.
Maybe in the United States of Freedom but that shit wouldn't fly here in the EU.
Yeah so?
D4rth Man7iz
Member
Gotta love the all-digital future.
I mean, it is a racing game superseded every 2 years by a better version. It has been almost 4 years. If you were going to own it by now you would. And if you did, you can still download it easily.
And if you wanted to buy it digitally now for some reason, why? It was free last month if you had gold. Plus,Forza Motorsport 6 and 7 are far superior. Additionally, licenses are in few games, mostly only racing titles as they license real cars and brands.
Because those physical games were already manufactured, printed and shipped. I doubt you'll find many new copies anywhere. Most are resells. Whereas digitally is basically 'creating' new copies and selling them when you can't. You don't see MS pressing new FM5 discs do you?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
In all fairness, I bought Driver San Fran digitally and yet cannot redoanload it should I delete it by accident or my hard drive corrupts.
All that happens is physical hides the license expiration, but there's still a finite amount of copies. It just looks like the license is perpetual because new unsold copies and used copies linger for years and years.
Digital is the opposite problem: since there's infinite copies, theroetically, it just becomes obvious when the license to make those infinite copies runs out.
No. At least on sane services. Generated codes have all already been 'paid for' to the licensor, they're functionally like a physical copy of something.
So for example you can still get some Rock Band songs that expired if you find the codes for them on track packs and bundles, because Harmonix paid for X amount of those codes to be printed already. As far as the licensor is concerned those are already "sold" to them.
Because any legal copies of something, the license holder has been paid for all of those copies already. After it goes out the door then the right of first sale generally applies. The tradeoff here is no publisher is going to make 6 million copies of every game to ensure anyone who wants it will always get one, because they have to warehouse those copies, etc. They always tried to minimize the amount of unsold copies vs printed. But they had the right to make those copies, they just had to take the risk of how much money they were paying to the licensor and the other costs vs expected sales.
Another way to think about it is digital copies of a game are like instantly making a physical copy. You can't legally make any "new" copies after your license runs out. Yes, technically redownloading is making a new copy of the game too, but legally, only the initial sale counts.
Digital is the opposite problem: since there's infinite copies, theroetically, it just becomes obvious when the license to make those infinite copies runs out.
No. At least on sane services. Generated codes have all already been 'paid for' to the licensor, they're functionally like a physical copy of something.
So for example you can still get some Rock Band songs that expired if you find the codes for them on track packs and bundles, because Harmonix paid for X amount of those codes to be printed already. As far as the licensor is concerned those are already "sold" to them.
Because any legal copies of something, the license holder has been paid for all of those copies already. After it goes out the door then the right of first sale generally applies. The tradeoff here is no publisher is going to make 6 million copies of every game to ensure anyone who wants it will always get one, because they have to warehouse those copies, etc. They always tried to minimize the amount of unsold copies vs printed. But they had the right to make those copies, they just had to take the risk of how much money they were paying to the licensor and the other costs vs expected sales.
Another way to think about it is digital copies of a game are like instantly making a physical copy. You can't legally make any "new" copies after your license runs out. Yes, technically redownloading is making a new copy of the game too, but legally, only the initial sale counts.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Thanks for clearing that up - was just curious.
This doesnt seem like a problem, to me.
Same thing happens with physical media. Only a finite number of physical copies of, say, Tekken are still around. As discs degrade or get scratched/broken they will eventually disappear. Ironically, digital distribution is keeping stuff like Tekken around.
Not saying digital doesnt have its problems, but licensing issues are more of an all-round problem.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
How is this really any different to physical.
Forza 5 discs arent produced anymore?
And if you already own a disc then you are okay same as if you already own the digital licence for the game.
And before you say oww but i can buy a second hand disc....well you can still find digital codes around soo.......this isnt anywhere near as big a deal as some are making it out to be.
If you own the game physical or digital its yours no worries.
Your example isnt exactly the same. Saying I found a physical copy laying around could mean it was in a warehouse never sold and Amazon/Walmart whomever found it and decided to sell the unsold physical copy. That is the same as saying Amazon/Walmart whomever found an unused digital download code AND the license holder still has the servers running to redeem said download code. Yes those are equivalent and maybe the paper with the download code is better when the console disc drive is dead and cant work with the unsold disc.
The other option (that makes physical so nice) is a physical second hand disc I found on eBay from Jane or at a garage sale from Timmy was already used and enjoyed by said parties but I can still purchase the disc and fire it up in my video game console which may be a console different from the one used to originally play the game. No needing to phone home and authorize my console to play a license... with a disc the license is linked to the disc itself.
Undead Fantasy
Member
It truly baffles me that people see this news and still buy digital.
soundscream
Member
You can download it again if you already bought it. They aren't making new copies either, its not that diffrent.