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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!
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koam said:Wow, I don't know how much commission you pay, but with the fees i pay, i'd need JOB to go up to $1.84 and KLAC to go up to $69.60 before i start making profit.
My last trade was yesterday. I sold off 300 shares of OLED at $11.65... I bought them at $5.55
I pay $9.99 a trade. The KLAC is a long position just to speculate/learn, $300 is play money to me. JOB has already gained 5 cents since I bought it a half-hour ago, and if it gains another 2 I'll break even on it.
I've been wondering why a thread like this didn't exist here for a while. I'll wait to see how things go before I get too participant but I'll start by suggesting MRVL. It's gotten beaten up badly over the last two days on the rumor Apple was cutting down on their iPhone production.
Earnings should come out anywhere from Aug 15th - Sept 6th. Expect to see a run up into that time period. Stock trades at 17.60 as of this post. I would be extremely surprised if it doesn't hit 22.5 before years end.
Lastly, for those who like to play options. OIH (Oil Services ETF) is a monster, LOTS of money to be made there if you know your TA.
Earnings should come out anywhere from Aug 15th - Sept 6th. Expect to see a run up into that time period. Stock trades at 17.60 as of this post. I would be extremely surprised if it doesn't hit 22.5 before years end.
Lastly, for those who like to play options. OIH (Oil Services ETF) is a monster, LOTS of money to be made there if you know your TA.
Cyan said:
They're not "too expensive". These companies keep doing better and better and their stocks are reflecting that. It's much safer investing $5000 in these companies and getting fewer shares than investing in a sub $10 company and getting many more shares.
Most sites do that, I like using this yahoo widget named "XRStockGain" which let's you put your buy price and number of shares and it will tell you how much money you've made or lost.
I dunno man, they almost got delisted from NASDAQ. Their past 6 months haven't been so hot either.
koam said:
hah.. well they are all caught up with their financials now and everything is getting in order. They have a huge stake in the Hard Drive business (expect more pc's to sold in the 2nd half), they are getting more exposure into wi-fi products by the day (namely cellphones as in the iPhone and Blackberries), and their X-Scale apps processor powers all RIMM phones and is rumored to be the brains in the 2nd gen iPhone.
I like their chances especially on this today's pullback. I recently got out in the high 19's after averaging down to a cost basis of about 16.80 after the March collapse. I'm no pumper, just stating the facts and trying to help those who want to put some money in market make money.
Personally I would love to see a thread like this pinned up top and perhaps then with the combined knowledge of the board we can take some of the mysticism away from the market and those who are too scared to put a dime in the market can become savvy vets and start making some real money.
Good article by Henry Blodget on the concept of "hot stocks" (esp. w/r/t magazine articles).
http://www.slate.com/id/2158086/
Seriously, for most people it just comes down to how fun you find stock-picking vs. investment activities with equal or less risk that involve fewer opportunity costs.
slate said:
http://www.slate.com/id/2158086/
Seriously, for most people it just comes down to how fun you find stock-picking vs. investment activities with equal or less risk that involve fewer opportunity costs.
valparaiso
I had an Al Sharpton friend...Once! Well not a friend really, but we talked a few times. Well one time. Well I yelled out my window "GET OFF MY LAWN!"
nice op, thanks.
can anyone link to one of those online practice thingies?
can anyone link to one of those online practice thingies?
valparaiso said:
I found this one that looks good, but to be honest I probably wouldn't know :lol
http://vse.marketwatch.com
I think we can actually create a GAF game with a starting budget and see who can make the most money over time!
Cheesemeister
Member
Flo_Evans said:
If I recall, everyone who participated last time wound up in the red.
the only problem with paper stocks is that you make decisions that you wouldn't normally make, if you were using real money. But it probably is good for just learning the process.
I don't know much, but I would rather have a small amount of $$ ready to throw away... and play with that. I think I'd take it more seriously, and learn what it's like to lose real money.
I don't know much, but I would rather have a small amount of $$ ready to throw away... and play with that. I think I'd take it more seriously, and learn what it's like to lose real money.
Cheesemeister said:
hmm yeah from my signing up till now I have already lost 10%! :lol
What about sites that allow for small investments? like say I have $500 to play with. What would a good site be for that level? I looked at some sites but they all wanted like $1000 to start an account. With my limited knowledge of the market I think I am better off paying off loans at this point instead of investing :lol
How is everyone feeling about the market today? I have been paying close attention since the drop friday. Is it going to pull out? more drops?
Also for the OP can you explain limit, stop and market orders? I think I know what they mean but I am not entirely sure.
sonarrat said:
OK, short selling is basically playing the volatility right? Like if the stock is going up and down wildly you put in an order to buy if it dips below a certain point and to sell if it goes above a certain point?
I am trying more to find a good entry point into the market as I don't own any stocks. I got an extra $500 today and I am wondering what to do with it... I could buy some stocks, pay down high interest loans, put it in my savings account for a rainy day, or buy a hooker and some blow!
it's always best to pay yourself first.Flo_Evans said:
Options are where the money is (made 45% on my OIH puts today).. before one gets started though they should read the difference between a call and a put and the difference between shorting the two. Basically you don't want to short a position you don't have covered. Which would be called a 'naked' call or put.duderon said:
www.investopedia.com is an outstanding knowledge base.
duderon said:
Options are much more volatile than stocks, they're pure volatility plays when not used as hedging instruments. Option trading is much more complex than people make it out to be, but do to gearing/leverage you can earn a lot of money so it's glamorized to no end. Options are a zero sum game, for every person who makes a pretty penny, there's another losing that exact amount.
Flo, take Cyan's advice. Become debt free and look into Index funds, couldn't agree more with Cyan.
Flo_Evans said:
Short selling is a bet that the stock WILL go down, i.e. if it goes up, you lose money. Basically, you borrow the stock (usually from someone who bought it on margin and is hence actually borrowing it anyway). Then you immediately sell it at the market price. Then at some point in the future, you buy it back at the new (hopefully lower) market price, give it back to its owner and pocket the difference.
I think i might be investing in Take Two in the near future. They took a huge plunge due to GTA4 being delayed. I'd rather not own NTDOY *and* TTWO stock but it's on special!
Plus this
http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070803/43478_id.html?.v=1
Plus this
http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070803/43478_id.html?.v=1
Stocks now are terrible. Be careful anyone who wades in because of this thread.
I think I've lost maybe $2k in profits the past couple of weeks. Pure profit all gone...
My buddy who invested in Ameritrade around $17 was all hollering when it hit $21 or so that he pocketed a quick $1k but turns out now it's below his original purchase price :lol
I think I've lost maybe $2k in profits the past couple of weeks. Pure profit all gone...
My buddy who invested in Ameritrade around $17 was all hollering when it hit $21 or so that he pocketed a quick $1k but turns out now it's below his original purchase price :lol
yayaba said:Stocks now are terrible. Be careful anyone who wades in because of this thread.
I think I've lost maybe $2k in profits the past couple of weeks. Pure profit all gone...
My buddy who invested in Ameritrade around $17 was all hollering when it hit $21 or so that he pocketed a quick $1k but turns out now it's below his original purchase price :lol
This is a wait and see market. Personally, I'm waiting for interest rates to go up meaningfully and then invest in bonds. The rate of return for a T-bill is too low right now at less than 5%; with the impending credit crunch that should change. My stock portfolio is baby play by comparison because I don't feel comfortable in the market.
Dascu said:
They've gone up by a few dollars but that's probably attributed to their quarterly results which were higher than expected.
I bought some more stocks, my current holdings are:
Firestone Ventures (FV.V)
1000 shares @ $0.65
Exchange: TSE
Reason I bought them:
They're a promissing mining company based in Vancouver. Pretty cheap stock and LOTS of info about the company is available. I expect big things from them in the future.
Anooraq (ARQ.V)
1000 shares @ $2.83
Exchange: TSE
Reason I bought them:
Another mining company. They're currently in a slump but they've been at $3.20 before, I believe i'll be able to pocket a couple of hundred dollars off them soon enough.
Nintendo (NTDOY.PK)
50 shares @ $57.85
Exchange: OTC (JSE)
Reason I bought them:
The Wii and the DS obviously. I expect their stock to go up when the Wii becomes the worldwide leader in August and Nintendo issues a PR. Also, their next year earnings are going to be a killer. Oh and Wii Fit
Universal Display (PANL) *NEW for me*
100 shares @ $14.98
Exchange: NSE
Reason I bought them:
I used to own stocks in a competing company (Cambridge Display) and i made a killing off them. Cambridge was recently bought and my stocks more than doubled. The reason? Both of these companies are makers of OLED screens. OLED will eventually replace LCD/PLASMA and i've got high hopes for this tech. Their main partners are Sony and Samsung. Go OLED!
Stocks I'm looking into getting when I get some more cash into my account:
Amazon (AMZN): They're going to get HUGE. Harry Potter sales will be in their next quarterly earnings and then, it's holiday season! Double wammy on wii and ds sales for me here.
Bell Canada (BCE): They're going to be bought out in September (or at least approve a takeover). They just announced a dividend. This is a short term commitment.
Garmin (GRMN): Big GPS company. I think they'll continue to improve, but their stock has gotten quite pricey lately.
Christopher
Member
DODGE & COX BALANCED
0.0000 $0.00 0.5170 $86.65 -$1.44 $46.55 08/03/2007
DODGE & COX STOCK FUND
0.0000 $0.00 0.1440 $152.76 -$4.00 $23.25 08/03/2007
ENHANCED STOCK MARKET
0.2186 $100.88 0.0000 $0.00 -$2.82 $23.21 08/03/2007
TROWE PRICE BLUE CHP GWTH
0.0000 $0.00 0.5950 $37.61 -$1.08 $23.25 08/03/2007
HARTFORD MIDCAP HLS/IA
0.0000 $0.00 0.7510 $29.36 -$0.80 $23.21 08/03/2007
EVGRN SPECIAL VALUES/I
0.0000 $0.00 0.8030 $26.73 -$0.99 $23.22 08/03/2007
EVGRN GROWTH/I
0.0000 $0.00 1.2150 $18.18 -$0.60 $23.21 08/03/2007
AMERICAN FUNDS EUPAC R5
0.0000 $0.00 0.4420 $50.76 -$0.88 $23.21 08/03/2007
LAZARD EMERGING MARKETS/I
0.0000 $0.00 0.9360 $24.02 -$0.35 $23.21 08/03/2007
My portfolio today! ahhh
0.0000 $0.00 0.5170 $86.65 -$1.44 $46.55 08/03/2007
DODGE & COX STOCK FUND
0.0000 $0.00 0.1440 $152.76 -$4.00 $23.25 08/03/2007
ENHANCED STOCK MARKET
0.2186 $100.88 0.0000 $0.00 -$2.82 $23.21 08/03/2007
TROWE PRICE BLUE CHP GWTH
0.0000 $0.00 0.5950 $37.61 -$1.08 $23.25 08/03/2007
HARTFORD MIDCAP HLS/IA
0.0000 $0.00 0.7510 $29.36 -$0.80 $23.21 08/03/2007
EVGRN SPECIAL VALUES/I
0.0000 $0.00 0.8030 $26.73 -$0.99 $23.22 08/03/2007
EVGRN GROWTH/I
0.0000 $0.00 1.2150 $18.18 -$0.60 $23.21 08/03/2007
AMERICAN FUNDS EUPAC R5
0.0000 $0.00 0.4420 $50.76 -$0.88 $23.21 08/03/2007
LAZARD EMERGING MARKETS/I
0.0000 $0.00 0.9360 $24.02 -$0.35 $23.21 08/03/2007
My portfolio today! ahhh
I've been reading very intensively about options trading. I know it's portrayed as a tricky thing that should only really be handled by professionals, but I like the idea of paying a little bit upfront and having that be the most money you can possibly lose on the transaction. The trouble, as I see it, is that you have to have someone on the other side taking the opposite position, earning a little bit upfront but with a potential for unlimited loss.. and that will be reflected in the price.
koam said:
You make money by buying stock 2 ways - an appreciation in your share value (price of your stock goes up), but you will only make money if you sell it (book value increases, but money in your pocket does not, unless you sell). The other way is through dividends. Both of these components - share appreciation and dividends make up your capitol gain on a stock (or capital loss).
A dividend is an amount of money set by management of a company that they decide to return to shareholders. Companies typically pay dividends on a quarterly, semi-annual, or annual basis. Some companies don't pay a dividend at all - doesn't mean they're a bad company or in trouble, they could be doing other things with their money like re-investment in the company instead of paying dividends.
You'll always want to check a company's history to see if they pay dividends and how often they pay dividends. You'll want a good understanding of their dividend policy up front. Dividend policies of company's typically don't change. Once they set a dividend amount to pay and its frequency, they seldom deviate from it, unless they need that money for reinvestment.
As an example, if a company pays a quarterly dividend of .38 cents per share and you own 100 shares, then you will get a check from them for 38 bucks every quarter. Some quarters they may decide not to pay a dividend, but again, it doesn't mean they are in trouble, it could mean that they have to make some major capital purchases in the short-term.
Tamanon said:
Well, I do see the appeal in short positions as well especially for stable large-caps that don't move very much. You get a certain amount of money up front, and then you just sit and pray you don't lose more than you earned. But I don't think the basic E-trade options package will allow the average Joe to do that because of the unlimited risk thing.
Well, generally, the first level of options trading you can get is to short covered calls. That can be a pain for the initial investor because that let's you sell call options only on stock that you own enough of. They have you fill out a questionaire if you want to trade options, asking for your various levels of experience with different types of investments. Then they approve or deny you on the various levels.