TheGodfather07
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I think 2007 was better because of more new ip.
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So we've reached the point where it's pretty much unquestionable that 2023 is the greatest year ever in gaming, right?
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VanCityGamer
Member
I strongly disagree with sentiment that 2023 is the best year ever. Way too many sequels, remakes, etc. for that to be the case. Years with the launches of big exciting new IP are easily better.
Hugare
Member
Krappadizzle
Member
It's definitely up there. It's been one of my favorite years for games in a very long time. The last half of this years has just been some of the best games ever made released. It's been great.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Most years that have been considered the best years in history are full of sequels or from established IP. 2023 is no different.
1994:
- Sonic the Hedgehog 3
- Final Fantasy VI
- Super Metroid
- DOOM II
- Sonic & Knuckles
- King's Quest VII
- Resident Evil 2
- Crash Bandicoot Warped
- Star Wars Rogue Squadron
- Sonic Adventure
- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
- GoldenEye 007
- Tekken 3
- Metal Gear Solid
- Virtua Fighter 3tb
- Phantasy Star Online
- The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
- Ace Combat 4
- Metal Gear Solid 2
- Final Fantasy X
- Silent Hill 2
- Grand Theft Auto 3
- Gran Turismo 3
- Twisted Metal: Black
- Sonic Adventure 2
- Half Life 2
- Doom 3
- Unreal Tournament 2004
- GTA San Andreas
- Halo 2
- Metal Gear Solid 3
- Burnout 3
- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
- Jak 3
- Sly Cooper 2
- Pokemon Diamond
- The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
- Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Ninja Gaiden Sigma
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Metroid Prime 3
- Halo 3
- God of War 2
- Uncharted: Lost Legacy
- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- Persona 5
- Super Mario Odyssey
- Nier: Automata
- Resident Evil 7
- Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus
- Destiny
Why does 2023 suddenly have to have this random stipulation of "nEw iP oNLy!" when literally every year in gaming history that's considered the greatest is full of sequels and adaptations of established IP?
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Will look awfully bad if Alan Wake 2 has a dismal completion rate in a couple of months that show most players quitting the game before they finish.
Don't trust anything you hear during the honeymoon period. Fanboy types love hyping up the latest game.
TheGodfather07
Member
It's all subjective anyway, so chill out. Yeah to YOU, 2023 is the best ever. For me it isn't. It's definitely up there though as one of the best years but each person's number 1 will differ.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You missed two of the biggest games of all time in 2017. Literally bigger than every game you listed from every year.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I'm only listing the sequels/games from established IP there, as that was the point I was illustrating. That every great year has a lot of titles that aren't new IP.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
My mistake.
Goliath77
Member
For me personally its 1998 and its not even close:
Resident Evil 2
Gex: Enter the Gecko
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Xenogears
Tenchu: Stealth Assassins
X-Men vs. Street Fighter: EX Edition
Descent: FreeSpace – The Great War
Need for Speed III: Hot Pursuit
Tekken 3
Parasite Eve
StarCraft
Unreal
International Superstar Soccer 98
Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Banjo-Kazooie
Street Fighter Alpha 3
F-Zero X
Star Ocean: The Second Story
Resident Evil: Director's Cut – Dual Shock Version
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Metal Gear Solid
NFL Blitz
Spyro the Dragon
Pokémon Yellow
Caesar III
MediEvil
Star Trek: The Next Generation: Klingon Honor Guard
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Grim Fandango
Fallout 2
Crash Bandicoot: Warped
Heretic II
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus
Railroad Tycoon II
The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
SiN
Half-Life
The Settlers III
Tomb Raider III
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Thief: The Dark Project
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Baldur's Gate
Starsiege: Tribes
The fact that all of these came out in a single calender year is crazy. What an abundance of creativity there was back then.
Resident Evil 2
Gex: Enter the Gecko
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Xenogears
Tenchu: Stealth Assassins
X-Men vs. Street Fighter: EX Edition
Descent: FreeSpace – The Great War
Need for Speed III: Hot Pursuit
Tekken 3
Parasite Eve
StarCraft
Unreal
International Superstar Soccer 98
Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Banjo-Kazooie
Street Fighter Alpha 3
F-Zero X
Star Ocean: The Second Story
Resident Evil: Director's Cut – Dual Shock Version
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Metal Gear Solid
NFL Blitz
Spyro the Dragon
Pokémon Yellow
Caesar III
MediEvil
Star Trek: The Next Generation: Klingon Honor Guard
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Grim Fandango
Fallout 2
Crash Bandicoot: Warped
Heretic II
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus
Railroad Tycoon II
The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
SiN
Half-Life
The Settlers III
Tomb Raider III
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Thief: The Dark Project
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Baldur's Gate
Starsiege: Tribes
The fact that all of these came out in a single calender year is crazy. What an abundance of creativity there was back then.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
2004, 2017 were both ample years for amazing games. Would need to see the compiled list for both those years to say 2023 is "better". Depends on what you play.
Agreed overall, though. Once Mario RPG hits, at least for me, it'll be one of the best years I can recall in recent memory. Certainly the strongest year of first-party bangers the Switch has seen since 2017.
Agreed overall, though. Once Mario RPG hits, at least for me, it'll be one of the best years I can recall in recent memory. Certainly the strongest year of first-party bangers the Switch has seen since 2017.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Agreed with half of what you're saying, and the other half is like you're telling me the moon is made of cheese when I know for a fact it isnt.
ToTK is "more of the same"? Have you not played it?
Not every sequel is "more of the same". What you're describing is more like an expansion pack. And even if what you are saying were true, is "more of the same" a bad thing if something is that good?
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
The enormous costs of producing modern games makes developers and publishers so risk averse that it's stifling creativity. You listed 46 games. How many AAA games could you make in 2023 for the combined development budget of all these games? Just a few.
The first Tomb Raider game cost $2.8 million to make in today's money (adjusted for inflation). Less than a quarter century later Shadow of the Tomb Raider had a development budget between $75 and 100 million.
darthkarki
Member
I don't think anyone is saying "new IP only", the point is it takes excellent games from existing franchises and new IP to make a banner year. Yes, all of those years you list had fantastic games from existing franchises, just like 2023, but the point is they also had an above average number of new things. That's where 2023 lacks in comparison. I just posted this about 2007 - in addition to all those games you listed (and many, many more), it also started all of these major franchises:
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Goliath77
Member
I absolutely agree, the spiralling cost has had a massive impact. The tomb raider example you provide is shocking and it really does show how significant this point is.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
You make some good points for sure, but here’s a list of critically acclaimed new IP from 2023:
- Hi-Fi Rush
- Starfield
- Lies of P
- Cocoon
- Sea of Stars
- Hogwarts Legacy
- Cassette Beasts
Not to mention that some of the games on your list didn't set the world on fire with their first entries. Assassin's Creed, Crackdown, The Witcher 1, etc.. didn't blow any critics away, but they did go on to form iconic franchises. We don't know if the same could be said about Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty, or Bomb Rush Cyberfunk, or Atomic Heart, or whatever other number of new IP that has landed this year. Time will tell.
As others have said, in the end it's all subjective I suppose.
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Ceadeus
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veterangamerUK
Member
I guess you’ve not been gaming for many years
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Since 1991!
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Agreed with half of what you're saying, and the other half is like you're telling me the moon is made of cheese when I know for a fact it isnt.
ToTK is "more of the same"? Have you not played it?
Not every sequel is "more of the same". What you're describing is more like an expansion pack. And even if what you are saying were true, is "more of the same" a bad thing if something is that good?
You know this is true...
Skyward Sword to Breath of the Wild:
Breath of the Wild to Tears of the Kingdom:
To suggest TotK made a huge leap from BotW is to diminish BotWs greatness.
Fatbody
Member
It’s been a really good year after two of the worst years, back to back, that I can remember in over two decades. I can see why a lot of people, especially younger and new gamers would think this year is the best. But if you look back at forum archives of the early 2000s, it was as close to unanimous as you can get for 98, 01, 04, and 07 being the goat years. Every genre was doing something great.
GreatnessRD
Member
The year has been cool, but please be fuckin' for real.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Have you played it?You know this is true...
Skyward Sword to Breath of the Wild:
Breath of the Wild to Tears of the Kingdom:
To suggest TotK made a huge leap from BotW is to diminish BotWs greatness.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Yeah. I beat BotW. I could only beat one of the main dungeons in TotK before I said "I've done this before" and quit.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Yeah I’d recommend really giving it another go.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
No thanks. I'm definitely worn out from that formula.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
The goalpost keeps shifting, but to me, 2023 stands out as potentially the "best year in gaming." However, it seems we might be talking about different things.
It's important to understand the distinctions:
"A year with the best game releases ever" signifies a year flooded with numerous standout games, some of which could be the best ever seen.
On the other hand, "the best year in gaming" speaks to a year abundant in significant gaming milestones, encompassing not only game releases but also industry progression and technological innovations.
By my assessment, 2023 fits the second definition, marked by acclaimed releases from longstanding franchises, innovative use of next-gen tech, and pleasantly surprising shifts in expectations.
It's important to understand the distinctions:
"A year with the best game releases ever" signifies a year flooded with numerous standout games, some of which could be the best ever seen.
On the other hand, "the best year in gaming" speaks to a year abundant in significant gaming milestones, encompassing not only game releases but also industry progression and technological innovations.
By my assessment, 2023 fits the second definition, marked by acclaimed releases from longstanding franchises, innovative use of next-gen tech, and pleasantly surprising shifts in expectations.
totk yes bg3 not my bag but yes sf is mid.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
We literally got a year with a new Zelda , new final fantasy , new street fighter , new Mario, and even had some metal gear solid (albeit shit ports), but still.
Not to mention in the insanity list of all the other wild titles like BG3 or Alan wake 2 or armored core 6. New IPs like Lies of P.
This is easily the best year in gaming ever. Only nostalgia driven rose tinted glasses dingle berries think otherwise.
Not to mention in the insanity list of all the other wild titles like BG3 or Alan wake 2 or armored core 6. New IPs like Lies of P.
This is easily the best year in gaming ever. Only nostalgia driven rose tinted glasses dingle berries think otherwise.
VanCityGamer
Member
Exactly. The start of that many top tier new IP makes 2007 miles better than 2023 for me personally.
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VanCityGamer
Member
That list of new IP for 2023 is nowhere NEAR 2007 in terms of exciting big AAA games IMO.
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Ya know I spent a shitton of money on a PC this year but the $300 I spent on a Switch day 1 still has been the best bang for my buck ever…
ShadyAcshuns
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Strongly disagree. BotW remains my goat, but TotK as a game of its own was just monumental imo. Lots of great games are the result of building block titles that came before them.
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ac was in 07 not 08
veterangamerUK
Member
Quite sad to see a list like that and see now by comparison how stifled the industry is
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
That appears to be the case indeed.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Ive been gaming for over 30 years
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
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