Skifi28
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Then they should also pay me a couple of millions. I'm sure they can afford it.
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Report: Microsoft paid Big Cheese $600,000 to bring Cooking Simulator to Game Pass
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Griffon
Member
If you're giving them access to your critically acclaimed indie game for a year or more? Yes absolutely.
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Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Except how much is Sony paying developers to keep games OFF of game pass? In the race to the bottom MS is the winner. I think Sonys strategy is less sustainable, especially when they have more to lose in a spending war.
There's testimonials from some developers on how joining game pass voluntarily resulted in them getting more exposure and more sales. The only weird take is thinking MS has to pay every studio that puts a game on.
Well first off it's clearly illegal.
But seriously, this is a game that wouldn't be out of place on the Wii, the only reason I can think of $600,000 being spend is because they already sold 700,000 and MS is thinking maybe it has a european niche that could be incentivized to join gamepass considering it's a Polish dev.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That's really not very much money lol
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Time to hang up my Powerwasher and pick up my Spatchula.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Grab a dictionary as well while you're down there.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Unrivaledx88
Member
If ll devs and Publishers know MS is just paying everyone or soon to be everyone to get on gamepass. Idk how this is sustainable lol.
Man that money could be going to some amazing triple A original game MS is weird.
Man that money could be going to some amazing triple A original game MS is weird.
AlteredForms
Banned
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"sims" are all the rage now, after years and years of "walking sim" platform war fodder. Cinematic "movie games" will be the next bee knees.
We have come full circle, friends. Acceptance.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Well I was specifically talking about single-person developers, such as the people behind Tunic, Undertale, FNaF, etc. In the vast majority of this country a gross of 60k per year is a respectable income for an individual. Hell, the capital requirements for serious dev hardware are getting ready to plummet once MS releases its workstation streaming program.
My entire point was that for the extremely small team to solo dev market a cool half-million from MS for a few years of GP takes a lot of risk out of the equation, especially if it's your first game.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
Exactly. Probably will almost fund their next game, too.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
This is not really a surprise. Simulation games do extremely well on PC and recently on console as well. Sometimes taking a chance with a nominal sum (relative of course) is just the cost of doing business.
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Griffon
Member
Are you fucking kidding me? An individual who has the talent and ability to make an entire game by himself (not to mention a GOOD ONE) is easily worth 300k per year in any studio setting, and can easily live that much more comfortably than that off his independent steam sales. We're not talking about shovelwares here (and I'm not talking ultra massive success outliers either).
And as per your own example, the people behind Undertale, FNaF, etc. those are multi-millionaires today.
60k per year from MS is an insult. MS is making out like bandits, siphoning money every months from millions of people and not having to give anything back to the actual creators.
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onesvenus
Member
What's the reason for F2P games?
THE DUCK
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I don't understand the overreaction here. I mean if gamepass has lets say 30 million subs at this point, and lets say 25 million are paying regular price, lets just say regular gamepass and not ultimate, that's still $25,000,000 per month in revenue or $300,000,000 per year. That means that this game represents an expenditure of 0.2% of annual revenue. Less if the deal is to keep it 2 or 3 years, it drops even more. Big deal. Unsustainable, LOL.
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You guys have to stop thinking in such small numbers. Take the middle of the claims and let's say Microsoft generates $2,000 million per year from subscriptions. The average AAA game costs around $100 million to make. Microsoft can pocket $1,000 million for profit leaving enough to fully fund 8-10 full fledged AAA titles per year.
In practice, Microsoft can develop some games and use the rest to license many more than 10 games since the cost of licensing should only be a percentage of development costs. $0.6 million is a miniscule price to pay for a game that may attract a new audience or keep an existing customer subscribed.
In practice, Microsoft can develop some games and use the rest to license many more than 10 games since the cost of licensing should only be a percentage of development costs. $0.6 million is a miniscule price to pay for a game that may attract a new audience or keep an existing customer subscribed.
Why don't we talk about Azure or Office subscriptions when talking about Gamepass either? They are as relevant to a discussion on the economics of gamepass as MTX and retail sales. The model stands on its own without looking at other revenue streams.
geary
Member
That’s not how business work usually. Do you think a retail store has only articles which have super high margin?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Azure is actually a core part of the Gamepass strategy. I'd even argue Gamepass wouldn't be possible without Azure since otherwise cloud server costs would be too high to be worth it.
Do you think that Microsoft works the same as a retail store? Explain the relevance of bought copies and MTX if the cost of developing first party games can be fully covered by half of Gamepass revenue.
Azure is a seperate org within Microsoft. Azure charges Xbox an internal rate for usage at an internally agreed upon rate. The billing is transparent to external audits but it is used internally by Microsoft to understand the actual cost and profitability of Xbox. Azure is a key investment. AWS grew from Amazon selling the extra capacity from its existing operations. Microsoft definitely makes sure that its cloud capacity is being used wherever possible.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
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MarkMe2525
Gold Member
60,000 non ultimate game pass subscribers cover the costs in one month.
Banjo64
cumsessed
User score 6 and 4.2, there you go.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Banjo64
cumsessed
They are still crap games.
I’d love to see the play time/achievement lists of the people defending these games to see how much they’ve played
Griffon
Member
Who cares? Those games sold extremely well and there's clearly an audience for it. It's obviously not you (nor me for that matter) but nobody cares about what you or I think.They are still crap games.
I’d love to see the play time/achievement lists of the people defending these games to see how much they’ve played
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They are still crap games.
I’d love to see the play time/achievement lists of the people defending these games to see how much they’ve played
But I already pointed out to you that Cooking Simulator has more than double the follower count, estimated ownership and Concurrent daily players of two of the games you said you'd prefer - Kao The Kangaroo and Blue Fire.
You're pretty much grasping at straws at this point. 600k for this is a pretty good get.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
User scores from people who might or might not have the game? hmmm ok.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I thought I’d already answered that by saying I don’t care about popularity but would rather Game Pass was a vehicle for discovering quality games.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They are still crap games.
Who defines that a game is crappy ? Do you think a game is crappy because it doesn't have an AAA budget alone ?
Banjo64
cumsessed
Fucking hell
And I thought it was fairly obvious that this many people still playing the game daily on Steam indicates it’s good?
You brought up Metacritic reviews (critic and user) to try to justify your viewpoint but somehow aren’t interested in seeing positive user metrics on Steam. Positive metrics that surpass some of the games you were touting.
I guess after ‘Microsoft overpaid’ got shredded as a viable talking point, the next attempt is to try to push the ‘shovelware’ angle.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Budget should have one A at the very least
Bernd Lauert
Banned
You don't understand. 23 user reviews on Metacritic prove that the game is garbage. 12759 user reviews on Steam prove nothing.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Not at all. Gears 5 has 100 players playing it right now on Steam, so is Gears 5 a pile of wank by your standards?
85% positive on a platform doesn’t mean much when meme shovelware on the same genre is higher.
What is it with you paid shills and your combative nature?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
You didn't like goat simulator? It's pretty fucking hilarious. And it's exactly the kind of game I would never buy but will happily download and play if it's 'free' with my subscription.
They are still crap games.
I’d love to see the play time/achievement lists of the people defending these games to see how much they’ve played
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
5 minutes and the novelty wears off. It's a dogshit streamer game.
I’m merely running this comparison using the games you provided. You sure seem to have backed off from Kao and Blue Fire since then.
CCUs mean ‘Concurrent Users’. folks jumping back in to play. Which basically means it can’t really be crap.
People don’t tend to revisit crap. Perhaps that’s your habit?
What is it with you paid shills and your combative nature?
I wish was getting paid. Perhaps if i had your powers to rate games I haven’t even played, I’d get paid too
Banjo64
cumsessed
Are you actually dumb?
I BELIEVE GAME PASS SHOULD BE A VEHICLE TO DISCOVER SMALLER, UNKNOWN QUALITY GAMES.So is Gears 5 crap? I notice you avoided talking about Gears. Funnily enough a paid employee would not be allowed to talk about Gears in a negative light either.
Show us your game time in Cooking SimI wish was getting paid. Perhaps if i had your powers to rate games I haven’t even played, I’d get paid too
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
marjo
Member
Why can't people who clearly lose an argument on the internet ever just admit that they were wrong instead of doubling down, constantly try to shift the goal posts, and generally make an ass out of themselves. Just take the fucking loss. Your 'arguments' are not nearly as compelling as you seem to think they are.Not at all. Gears 5 has 100 players playing it right now on Steam, so is Gears 5 a pile of wank by your standards?
85% positive on a platform doesn’t mean much when meme shovelware on the same genre is higher.
What is it with you paid shills and your combative nature?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Not at all. Gears 5 has 100 players playing it right now on Steam, so is Gears 5 a pile of wank by your standards?
85% positive on a platform doesn’t mean much when meme shovelware on the same genre is higher.
What is it with you paid shills and your combative nature?
Those reviews are more reliable than you and metacritics.
Banjo64
cumsessed
The game is shit. What sort of compelling argument are you after?
Are you actually dumb?
Excellent. And Cooking Simulator fits the bill as a smaller title.
Now who’s got a combative attitude?
Never said Gears 5 was crap. I think it’s a great game myself. 68% userscore and declining CCUs so it’s clear many disagree, likely based on the MP.
Show us your game time in Cooking Sim
Never played it before. I’ve been pretty clear about using Steam user metrics as an indicator of quality.
Admittedly not as impressive as you taking one look at the name and determining quality, but it’s something.
marjo
Member
As has been pointed out to you numerous times, the people who like this type of game (and who have actually played it) clearly disagree with your well thought out assessment (as evidenced by the Steam reviews). Grow up.