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[Oddvintagechap]

Yeap, they’ll just subcontract the work. This is about dropping internals. Like outsourcing IT to India.

Exactly people here jerking off Microsoft, while Resetera crying about this is so stupid.

“DEI” is here to stay forever. Whether you love it or hate it. Particularly in the STEM field. Companies have been begging for talent. Now all this incoming talent has been diverse for a while. The idea that these lesbians and minorities need a whole other group in the company to tell them how to write minority and lesbians stories is redundant.

I think you are talking shit, but this gave me an idea. It would be absolutely fucking hysterical if it turns out that the company said "You know what? We'll follow your advice and show more support to SBI now that the community is against them... Which means they are getting your part of the job and you are now redudant".

I think a bunch of people here are children. But im just stating facts.

For example the idea Microsoft feels the need to protect sweet baby by firing their own staff is some fairy tale writing. It’s a company, all they care about is it’s bottom line.

That's where consumers (if they actually care about life) need to do their research before purchasing, as with evey other fucking thing we consume on this planet. It's pretty easy to find the source of it all, if folks could grasp the reality of the truth.

This anti-DEI group simply isn’t large enough. Most people don’t give a shit. That’s why you have games like Stellar Blade doing rookie numbers. Game is run of mill but with boobs. Gamers tend to be outcasts or gamerbros. Minorities and non-straights fill those groups up.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Claiming that something is "here to stay forever" is the kind of lunacy that megalomaniacs use to say. "Our empire will last 1000 years", right before the fall.

Nothing that goes against the normal functioning of things lasts forever. Moreover when it doesn't bring any actual benefits (only for those privileged by the cult) and when in most countries of the world they couldn't care less about that shit.

 

[DragoonKain]

People can argue the morality behind DEI all day, but one thing I don't think is debatable is that DEI is not good for business. No business has ever boomed because it started implementing DEI principles. If a business changes in any direction, it's always negative. Businesses are realizing this slowly but surely. This isn't a sign that businesses are now anti-DEI, this is a sign they realize it's not cost effective to pay people who accomplish nothing but negatives for their companies.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

It boosts morale in a vacuum

It does not boost morale. Who begins to celebrate because they have more minorities in their teams? People celebrate when they get normal and skillful people in their teams. Everything else is irrelevant - like who cares if you are asian if you are doing your work properly?

Like "let's hire an asian person". But there is tons of diversity among them - japanese, chinese, korean, vietnamese etc. - they are all different groups. Just as a different as a white or black person. Even among white people you have polish, serbian, german, french, british - and they are all very different with not generic label.

The issue is essentially the american view on the race - if it is "white" then they are all the same, if it is "black" - then they are all the same. If it is "asian" - they are all the same. If they are "latinos" - they are all the same. But they are different.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

who cares if you are asian if you are doing your work properly?

Someone has to since even DEI intiatives leave them out

 

[Bernardougf]

Exactly people here jerking off Microsoft, while Resetera crying about this is so stupid.

“DEI” is here to stay forever. Whether you love it or hate it. Particularly in the STEM field. Companies have been begging for talent. Now all this incoming talent has been diverse for a while. The idea that these lesbians and minorities need a whole other group in the company to tell them how to write minority and lesbians stories is redundant.

I think a bunch of people here are children. But im just stating facts.

For example the idea Microsoft feels the need to protect sweet baby by firing their own staff is some fairy tale writing. It’s a company, all they care about is it’s bottom line.

This anti-DEI group simply isn’t large enough. Most people don’t give a shit. That’s why you have games like Stellar Blade doing rookie numbers. Game is run of mill but with boobs. Gamers tend to be outcasts or gamerbros. Minorities and non-straights fill those groups up.

There is no anti DEI group.. there is the DEI group and the normal people, and they are large enougth to make the last movies bomb hard that even woke hollywood is dropping this shit and to make companies loose millions because of a single AD. You are talking bullshit from your ass buddy.

Culture shifts can change, DEI and wokeness is big in the US and even there is a large minority... the world is pretty big and this shit is ignored by a large portion of it... the part that aknowledge DEI follows money ... and money eventually will always talk. Even if it takes time.

 

[Doomtrain]

I love the notion that "the sky is falling" because DEI teams are beginning to get dismantled. The sky would only be falling if you assume minorities can only get jobs because of tokenism, and not on their own merits -- which ironically is one of the most racist things I've ever heard.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It does not boost morale. Who begins to celebrate because they have more minorities in their teams? People celebrate when they get normal and skillful people in their teams. Everything else is irrelevant - like who cares if you are asian if you are doing your work properly?

Like "let's hire an asian person". But there is tons of diversity among them - japanese, chinese, korean, vietnamese etc. - they are all different groups. Just as a different as a white or black person. Even among white people you have polish, serbian, german, french, british - and they are all very different with not generic label.

The issue is essentially the american view on the race - if it is "white" then they are all the same, if it is "black" - then they are all the same. If it is "asian" - they are all the same. If they are "latinos" - they are all the same. But they are different.

Yup.

It’s a funny thing because out of all the countries spouting freedom or tolerance or DEI or racism etc…. You’d think America would be the country who can tell the difference between Fresh Prince and Carlton, or that 4 white guys (Swedish, Russian, South African, Aussie) would be totally different in culture and language even if each dude has light skin and same hair colour.

Nope. All whites are the same, all blacks the same, all Asians the same etc…..

Skin deep focus is always numero uno.

Heck, a lot of people have family overseas. They might be the same family but nobody would assume Joe raised in New York acts the same as cousin Jose raised in Mexico.

So why would they assume everyone else who looks similar acts similar?

It’s an oddly fascinating thing when you think about how people think

 

[Doomtrain]

Yup.

It’s a funny thing because out of all the countries spouting freedom or tolerance or DEI or racism etc…. You’d think America would be the country who can tell the difference between Fresh Prince and Carlton, or that 4 white guys (Swedish, Russian, South African, Aussie) would be totally different in culture and language even if each dude has light skin and same hair colour.

Nope. All whites are the same, all blacks the same, all Asians the same etc…..

Skin deep focus is always numero uno.

Heck, a lot of people have family overseas. They might be the same family but nobody would assume Joe raised in New York acts the same as cousin Jose raised in Mexico.

So why would they assume everyone else who looks similar acts similar?

It’s an oddly fascinating thing when you think about how people think

I think it's largely lazy/outsourced morality. Developing a deep, genuine understanding of the world and the myriad types of people in it takes time and effort. No one actually wants to do that, but they DO want to feel a sense of belonging to an in-group, signal tribal allegiances, and score a constant stream of morality dopamine. If you dig past the surface, it's ultimately self-serving, but admitting that is difficult and will get you ostracized.

 

[ProtoByte]

This was also the case with Affirmative Action and government assistance programs: it was mostly white women who benefited.

They're the star demographic of collegiate academia. They've built up too much debt and/or too much experience in getting their way through systems defined by identity (feminism is maybe at the top of the pyramid of intersectionalism in academia - it was definitely the beginning) not to thrive in AA programs or any other given name that they're given. BTW, that's important. Courtesy of reeee on the same topic:

Be very vigilant of the linguistic propaganda. And of the likely fact that not everyone in departments like this would get booted out from the companies even if every Corp decided to do away with it tomorrow. Some of the subversives will just get put somewhere else. Like HR

 

[semiconscious]

I think it's largely lazy/outsourced morality. Developing a deep, genuine understanding of the world and the myriad types of people in it takes time and effort. No one actually wants to do that, but they DO want to feel a sense of belonging to an in-group, signal tribal allegiances, and score a constant stream of morality dopamine. If you dig past the surface, it's ultimately self-serving, but admitting that is difficult and will get you ostracized.

yep. it's an attempt to 'make sense' of shit that never really gets past pretending to. we live in a culture caught up in obsessing over theater & appearance. what does it matter if the board of directors of goldman sachs is stuffed with women & minorities if they all think exactly the same way 'old white guys' think, which's in algorithms (which's basically the only way you can think if you're on the board of goldman sachs)...

 

[Sentenza]

For example the idea Microsoft feels the need to protect sweet baby by firing their own staff is some fairy tale writing.

Yeah, one that no one told.
Talk about poor reading comprehension.

 

[Bogroll]

Thank Fuck for that. Hopefully their games will improve as they should hire on merit.

 

[64bitmodels]

Also, chatgpt info:

• Microsoft - Announced initiatives to increase representation and inclusion of underrepresented minorities within the company.
• Google - Committed to DEI goals, including increasing the hiring of underrepresented groups.
• Facebook - Implemented strategies to enhance diversity within its workforce.
• Apple - Focused on increasing diversity and inclusion in hiring practices.
• Salesforce - Launched programs to improve diversity and inclusion across all levels of the company.
• IBM - Emphasized hiring practices that support diversity and inclusion

Chat GPT??? are you fucking serious right now????
AI hardly gets shit right. You know it, I know it, we all know it. This is dishonest!!!

 

[xpresstuning]

No shit. The pendulum has been swinging back all year.

I will never understand hiring people based off their skin colour and what gender they are instead of their skills and qualifications.

It's mostly done by semi-sentient genuine racists suffering from aphantasia.

 

[64bitmodels]

There is no anti DEI group.. there is the DEI group and the normal people, and they are large enougth to make the last movies bomb hard that even woke hollywood is dropping this shit and to make companies loose millions because of a single AD. You are talking bullshit from your ass buddy.

Culture shifts can change, DEI and wokeness is big in the US and even there is a large minority... the world is pretty big and this shit is ignored by a large portion of it... the part that aknowledge DEI follows money ... and money eventually will always talk. Even if it takes time.

I don't really know much about what movies are going on right now. Mario Bros. was called "woke" until it did well at the box office then all of a sudden it's OK... Barbie was also touted as "woke" and it did really well too. And for games, let's not forget how much God of War Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, Baldur's Gate 3, Street Fighter 6, and others sold. Whole lotta "wokeness" in the indie scene too and yet people can't help but fawn over those games the same way they do Nintendo.

The "normal people" are the people buying games and not really giving a fuck about whether they're "woke" or not. I.E most of the population, myself included.
And yeah, people are celebrating today but in reality this doesn't mean shit. for their "DEI" operations they're just going to go to Sweet Baby Inc. It's gonna be more outsourcing and people will still complain. Why host a diversity team in your company when you can save cash and just get the diversity company to proofread the scripts for you?
This isn't a trend. This isn't some fad. it's been going on for 10 years, even during the first Trump presidency. It's just the new norm.

 

[Moriarty1889]

Just went to look at the resetera topic... that place really is a "lets smell our farts" echochamber... "the fascists are winning" absolutely lunatics... "we will all starve to death in the future" ... loooool

Yes they are lunatics of the highest order beyond the help of any mental institution.

 

[begotten]

Will the Fable character look normal now?

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

People can argue the morality behind DEI all day, but one thing I don't think is debatable is that DEI is not good for business. No business has ever boomed because it started implementing DEI principles. If a business changes in any direction, it's always negative. Businesses are realizing this slowly but surely. This isn't a sign that businesses are now anti-DEI, this is a sign they realize it's not cost effective to pay people who accomplish nothing but negatives for their companies.

Actual diversity and inclusion (fuck equity---that's Marxist horseshit!), is actually beneficial. And the companies who did it right, which formed the basis of the arguments for DEI in the first place, demonstrated this.

A great example is Cummins Inc, the diesel engine manufacturer, who when globalizing their business, did not roll into foreign countries like India and fill those local departments with US-born execs, instead hired local people with a greater understanding of the local culture to run their Indian operations. They made bank and demonstrated the right way to implement diversity in business strategy.

The problem with DEI today, is that it's not actually trying to increase actual diversity of ideas and cultural understanding or including more voices in the decision-making processes. Instead, it's just trying to fill quotas with socially, culturally, and politically homogeneous, horrifically unqualified people based on extraneous shit like skin-color and sexual orientation alone, while also actively working to exclude voices from the decision-making processes (i.e. straight white men). It's doing the opposite of what it claims to for two thirds of its definition and it's doing it purely to meet some nebulous ESG score to secure more investment from for the business; because Black Rock decided in 2021 it would stick up a middle finger to maximizing shareholder value and instead would chase ESG.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Just a tip for you and everyone else about this troll. Don’t engage with it, it just wants to make you mad with its bullshit, throw around laughing emojis for everything like a kid, then it tells you that it put you on ignore yet will reappear in the future again with laughing emojis on your posts. Its a sad being who would need help.

Thank you so much for the tip.

 

[Bernardougf]

I don't really know much about what movies are going on right now. Mario Bros. was called "woke" until it did well at the box office then all of a sudden it's OK... Barbie was also touted as "woke" and it did really well too. And for games, let's not forget how much God of War Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, Baldur's Gate 3, Street Fighter 6, and others sold. Whole lotta "wokeness" in the indie scene too and yet people can't help but fawn over those games the same way they do Nintendo.

The "normal people" are the people buying games and not really giving a fuck about whether they're "woke" or not. I.E most of the population, myself included.
And yeah, people are celebrating today but in reality this doesn't mean shit. for their "DEI" operations they're just going to go to Sweet Baby Inc. It's gonna be more outsourcing and people will still complain. Why host a diversity team in your company when you can save cash and just get the diversity company to proofread the scripts for you?
This isn't a trend. This isn't some fad. it's been going on for 10 years, even during the first Trump presidency. It's just the new norm.

Mario did well target at kids and is a juggernaut franchise... dont know about wokeness in it.. never heard of it even more because Chris Pratt was attached to the project .. barbie as woke as it was had is target audience well defined and was very well marketed and executed for said audience.

Ragnarok and Spider man sold well really.. but are not by all means devoid of criticism about their terrible story/character choices and are by all metrics divisive games that could have sell more if they were better. And are estabilshed franchises that will instantly sell just "because".... until a installment comes that leaves a sour taste in fans mouths so lets wait for their next games.

But barbie is a very good example of something woke that can sell well when aimed at the right audience... and its perfectly fine.

But lets not pretend that hollywood hadnt its worst year last year... and streaming by all companies are launching dud after dud filled with dei/woke shit ... rings of power, star wars shows, marvel shows .. all once upon a time very popular franchises just bombing hard...

The DEI forced implementation problem and its diminishing returns all across the entertaiment industry is very well established at this point to anyone who wants to see the multiple examples of it... so you have to try really fucking hard to dismiss it

 

[Facism]

Reminds me of the Star Trek The Next Generation episode where a Vulcan crew member was under investigation and they brought in a special prosectutor. She was this renowned investigator who was also daughter to another renowned investigator. Push come to shove, she started to get too invasive, and then charged Picard cause he is responsible for all actions of the crew on the ship. He shuts that shit right down and told her that in her overzealousness, she lost sight of the truth.

Just saw this episode. The Drumhead.

 

[violence]

The source of the issue is the woke cult. I think we are permanently fucked.

 

[Embearded]

Someone who actually worked with these people vs someone writing fanfictions about how he imagines he would "feel good" and make the world better:

DEI = morale = retention = less training expenses?
Not when the colleagues with the actual know-how do all the heavy lifting because DEI hirings are not necessarily the best people for the job.
I know people who left companies because their colleagues could not keep up and they couldn't take a single day off without the phone ringing.

Diverse = new ideas and perspectives?
In what context exactly? Because it doesn't mean anything in engineering.
How can your race/gender/sexual orientation affect the way you tackle an engineering problem?

It's wishful thinking at best.
Unless the job description somehow includes these things and they need someone whose diversity is really required, its a load of crap.

 

[Valonquar]

Microsoft the same month:

 

[stn]

I don't care what these corporate retards do, they will never convince me they actually care about giving minorities equal opportunities. As an example, the same Nike that puts rainbow flags everywhere and promotes DEI is the company that has also used (and likely continues to use) sweatshops around the world exploiting people's labour.

 

[Negotiator]

As a former communist coutry citizen here- it never works, u gotta give extremly good incentives for ppl to work harder/in harder jobs, aka u gotta pay more money.

Under communism u got no incentive to do any hard/dangerous job coz u arent rewarded enough for it, but again- to understand it person cant be feminist/office worker- if u gotta literally break ur back working or actually study for many years(and not gender studies, real thing like stem/law/medicine etc, where u actually gotta be tallented and put in tons of effort- then u wanna be properly rewarded for it which u never get under communism.

Same thing with making games- u make mediocre game or u make topselling game- capitalism makes sure u actually can profit from ur labour- game is bad/sells badly/flops= lay offs and studio clousure happen, its only safemeasure for that woke bullshit- in the end no1 gonna fund bad games

No wonder Communism only created Tetris, while Capitalism has created thousands of interesting games.

 

[Boss Mog]

DEI is the biggest grift of the 21st century. A billion dollar industry propped up out of thin air... It's illegal, unconstitutional, divisive and in some industries puts people in danger.

I'm not sure how much I buy this story about MS killing its DEI division, I mean it could just be for show, only for it to come back quietly later on under a different name. That's often how these nefarious ideologies survive public scrutiny when they are fully brought to light.

Or maybe MS realizes that the Blackrock handouts won't last forever and they have to make games gamers actually want to play to generate revenue ; who knows? Only time will tell.

 

[EDMIX]

This is kinda getting beaten to death but seriously. The guy said he hopes it is true. Then you go on about how if all they did was say something, it might not really be true so he's an idiot. Maybe that's why he's HOPING that it's true...and WOULD BE the best news in years...if it was?

What a terrible use of this fine gif.

lol, well I more so mean that anyone who things MS would do this, like force something in a game based on some evil agenda, should also be the last people magically believing MS would stop. (and never called them an "idiot" btw)

I don't really care either way, simply find it odd anyone is jumping for joy and acting as if MS is even telling the truth, prior to this it was agenda this, conspiracy that...now suddenly MS is telling the truth everyone, nothing to see here. lol

It just sounds a bit fake and maybe those who are distrustful of MS because of some secret agenda or something, should continue to doubt them as this could just be some PR thing to make you THINK they stopped. Think about it, of all the wild government conspiracies, we rarely believe the government's take lol Why would this situation with MS be any different?

So....look man, all I'm suggesting, is if someone thinks MS is this evil to do this, maybe they should doubt their comments about shutting anything down, maybe that is what they want you to think. People who believe MS really shut down this team, I don't want to hear when they show Fable again about any "agenda", i'ma just tell you guys "the team shut down broz, so they can't do that any more, #BelieveMS"

TheThreadsThatBindUs sir its called a joke lol

 

[Doomtrain]

Diverse = new ideas and perspectives?
In what context exactly? Because it doesn't mean anything in engineering.
How can your race/gender/sexual orientation affect the way you tackle an engineering problem?

This is also often a lie. These people constantly demonstrate that they don't want new ideas or perspectives. That would be diversity of thought, which I've often, hilariously seen them refer to as "fascist". They want a superficial rainbow of skin colors, genders, and sexual orientations, who all think and act exactly like white coastal American progressives. The way they treat minorities who disagree with them is disgusting.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

DEI = morale = retention = less training expenses?
Not when the colleagues with the actual know-how do all the heavy lifting because DEI hirings are not necessarily the best people for the job.
I know people who left companies because their colleagues could not keep up and they couldn't take a single day off without the phone ringing.

This.

Diverse = new ideas and perspectives?
In what context exactly? Because it doesn't mean anything in engineering.
How can your race/gender/sexual orientation affect the way you tackle an engineering problem?

Absolutely this!

The real-world examples of diversity increasing successful business outcomes were for companies who hired minorities in senior roles who could have a voice in pointing out tone-deaf or culturally insensitive marketing media before it got out into the wild and caused a shit storm.

The problem is that DEI proponents took that and used it as a justification to claim that diversity is universally beneficial, where when you take one look at the complete mess Europe faces with trying to integrate the masses and masses of culturally and religiously divergent migrants, it's pretty clear that increased diversity can actually create more division than anything else... at least diversity in the way current DEI policy defines it.

It's wishful thinking at best.
Unless the job description somehow includes these things and they need someone whose diversity is really required, its a load of crap.

Spot on!

 

[Moriarty1889]

Thank Fuck for that. Hopefully their games will improve as they should hire on merit.

We will see what happens with the games. For starters let’s see if they stop making every game with a butch manly woman or black female lead. If that trend starts to die down and have some other types of lead characters, then that’s a start. I will believe it when I see it.

 

[Melon Husk]

The fad is over. I didn't expect it to last ten years, woof

Literally. Ten years ago I stayed here instead of going to the other forum because I thought the drama that unfolded was overdone.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

DEI is the biggest grift of the 21st century. A billion dollar industry propped up out of thin air... It's illegal, unconstitutional, divisive and in some industries puts people in danger.

I'm not sure how much I buy this story about MS killing its DEI division, I mean it could just be for show, only for it to come back quietly later on under a different name. That's often how these nefarious ideologies survive public scrutiny when they are fully brought to light.

Or maybe MS realizes that the Blackrock handouts won't last forever and they have to make games gamers actually want to play to generate revenue ; who knows? Only time will tell.

Key word is "a", as in MS canned a DEI team.

 

[ProtoByte]

They want a superficial rainbow of skin colors, genders, and sexual orientations, who all think and act exactly like white coastal American progressives. The way they treat minorities who disagree with them is disgusting.

It really is sad how much divisiveness there is about ethnic identity politics. There'll always be divisions in society and ethnicity is an easy one to draw, and I don't think it'll ever be where all the ethnic lines mix into one homogeneous new makeup, but America is uniquely positioned to tamp down on ethnic divisions (which yes, genetics exist and everything, but if the ethnic divisions of antiquity show anything, baseline skintone and the value placed on minor differences are flexible) in civilizational-record ways just by having people fucking chill the fuck out.

 

[EDMIX]

We will see what happens with the games. For starters let’s see if they stop making every game with a butch manly woman or black female lead. If that trend starts to die down and have some other types of lead characters, then that’s a start. I will believe it when I see it.

tbh, you'll likely see that as many of you don't even know why any artist did that anyway, so its not like MS will attack artist and demand them to change their designs or something.

So if they continue to make woman look the way they feel like it, was it "DEI"?

If they continue, doesn't that mean this whole "DEI Team" had nothing to do with that?

If they continue, does it mean they are secretly still doing the whole DEI thing? lol

Thats what makes this so funny, folks will just attack them either way. Someone's subjective opinion over what someone looks like is just not enough to build a whole ass conspiracy from, it matters not what they do with this team btw

 

[intbal]

We will see what happens with the games. For starters let’s see if they stop making every game with a butch manly woman or black female lead. If that trend starts to die down and have some other types of lead characters, then that’s a start. I will believe it when I see it.

The problem is that a lot of the employees at their game development studios were hired based on DEI principles. Can't just fire them for no reason. I suspect the cancer will infect XGS games for many years.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Mario did well target at kids and is a juggernaut franchise... dont know about wokeness in it.. never heard of it even more because Chris Pratt was attached to the project .. barbie as woke as it was had is target audience well defined and was very well marketed and executed for said audience.

Ragnarok and Spider man sold well really.. but are not by all means devoid of criticism about their terrible story/character choices and are by all metrics divisive games that could have sell more if they were better. And are estabilshed franchises that will instantly sell just "because".... until a installment comes that leaves a sour taste in fans mouths so lets wait for their next games.

But barbie is a very good example of something woke that can sell well when aimed at the right audience... and its perfectly fine.

But lets not pretend that hollywood hadnt its worst year last year... and streaming by all companies are launching dud after dud filled with dei/woke shit ... rings of power, star wars shows, marvel shows .. all once upon a time very popular franchises just bombing hard...

The DEI forced implementation problem and its diminishing returns all across the entertaiment industry is very well established at this point to anyone who wants to see the multiple examples of it... so you have to try really fucking hard to dismiss it

Barbie is an interesting story in that there's a really good case that it is accidentally an "anti-woke" film. On top of that, film watchers would frequently gush over Ryan Gosling's depiction of Ken and he was nominated for an Oscars while the lead actress got snubbed in an ironic twist.

 

[Bernardougf]

Barbie is an interesting story in that there's a really good case that it is accidentally an "anti-woke" film. On top of that, film watchers would frequently gush over Ryan Gosling's depiction of Ken and he was nominated for an Oscars while the lead actress got snubbed in an ironic twist.

It was a girl movie, using a girl property with marketing directed at girls...it was very well executed.

Now think if they did the same work for man ... like for example a super hero movie or a space wars movie made by man, for mans and marketed for them ... fucking crazy idea this Days I know.

 

[SportsFan581]

Money wins every single time... So weird.

Gentle reminder to vote with your wallet.

Funny enough chasing money is what creates the excessive focus group mentality. They are so focused on trying to appeal to everyone with every character and every story, it just leads to generic characters and stories that don't resonate with anyone.

Representation in media is not a bad thing, and certainly shouldn't be something aggressively avoided either, just keep things organic. Every character doesn't have to be perfect to every player, it's a lot more like real life that way. I'm sure most of us know people that we genuinely like but that also have some quirks and ideologies we don't align with, that seems normal enough to me.

Edit: A bit off topic for this discussion, I thought the thread was about consulting efforts and game creation. This is more about hiring within the company, my bad.

 

[newtypepilot]

Delusions
Exclusion
Intolerance


meanwhile at Disney, they continue to double down on this nonsense

 

[Bernardougf]

Delusions
Exclusion
Intolerance


meanwhile at Disney, they continue to double down on this nonsense

Disney is a really good case study for loosing money with politics.... I wonder how the fuck the share holders tolerated this for so long... they literally bought a 4 billion ultimate popular franchise that was ruined to the ground and after 10 years of disaster feminist driven decisions the president is still the same and nothing changed ... they also built the marvel juggernaut from the ground up so they could also kill it by transforming it in a girls/social message franchise that now is a after tought at best... its insane.

 

[EDMIX]

The problem is that a lot of the employees at their game development studios were hired based on DEI principles. Can't just fire them for no reason. I suspect the cancer will infect XGS games for many years.

Listen here....this is the most logical thing I think anyone should take from this that hates DEI

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

Nothing will change, wake up.

 

[Zannegan]

Nothing will change, wake up.

Every party needs a gooper...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Funny enough chasing money is what creates the excessive focus group mentality. They are so focused on trying to appeal to everyone with every character and every story, it just leads to generic characters and stories that don't resonate with anyone.

Representation in media is not a bad thing, and certainly shouldn't be something aggressively avoided either, just keep things organic. Every character doesn't have to be perfect to every player, it's a lot more like real life that way. I'm sure most of us know people that we genuinely like but that also have some quirks and ideologies we don't align with, that seems normal enough to me.

Edit: A bit off topic for this discussion, I thought the thread was about consulting efforts and game creation. This is more about hiring within the company, my bad.

Forced diversity whether it's hiring people or a TV ad or movie where on-screen action shows a perfect blend of a white, black asian, latino etc... as if every place on earth is a perfect split is actually counter intuitive to being open minded.

Hiring based off demographics is obviously bigoted enough. But if the company is releasing a product to pander to people thinking it maximizes sales if there is a perfectly cut pie slice of people shows the people buying the products (if it actually does max out sales) are biased and bigoted too. If they are purposely buying a product due to a character's skin colour or culture just because it makes them happier it shows that's just as prejudice.

I dont think the typical sports fan or owner cheers or signs players to fit a quota. People want success (winning) and it's more important than filling a roster due to demographics. People want to see success and talent. If anyone out there purposely cheers a team or player only because the roster/player is comprised of demographic metrics X, Y or Z, that's discriminatory right there and arent a true sports fan.

But in life, cheerleading a certain demographic is seen as ok. While badmouthing one is considered poor taste. But in reality, pretty similar end of the day.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

The hilarious part is the most of the things of the project 2025 (that is used like a boogeyman) are not achievable in the first place

My roommate is definitely afraid of the whole Project 2025. If Trump wins the election, she's leaving which is going to be very bad for me as well.

 

[Kumomeme]

Ubisoft gonna be like :

hopefully this give a sign to other developers to follow the same.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

DEI is the biggest grift of the 21st century. A billion dollar industry propped up out of thin air... It's illegal, unconstitutional, divisive and in some industries puts people in danger.

I'm not sure how much I buy this story about MS killing its DEI division, I mean it could just be for show, only for it to come back quietly later on under a different name. That's often how these nefarious ideologies survive public scrutiny when they are fully brought to light.

Or maybe MS realizes that the Blackrock handouts won't last forever and they have to make games gamers actually want to play to generate revenue ; who knows? Only time will tell.

Things like DEI have a silver bullet in the chamber other views or topics dont have.

It looks good hearted (charity effect). So if a company doesn't do it, it looks bad. Like they are greedy mean spirted people who should always open their wallets and jobs to anyone.

Think of it like Girl Scout Cookies. I dont know if they come door to door anymore since I havent seen any in a long time, but when any show up at your door, whether or not you buy a box makes no difference. Nobody sees what happens, so nobody cares.

A coworker brings to work her fund raising schtick selling chocolate bars, raffles or donation sign up forms hoping everyone on the floor kicks in $10 to pay for their kid's hockey league fees, what happens? If you get asked in plain view in front of people, you are kind of pressured to chip in. If you dont, you look like a cheapskate, bad coworker and guaranteed a few people will egg you on in front others to do it. Then everyone looks at you waiting to see if you pull out $10 or not.

Even though it has nothing to do with work, you kind of go along with it because it looks good hearted.

 

[MethodRed]

They poison the gaming industry