Uh, Sony still reports numbers this way. And they started not to mask PS3 sales but Vita.
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Microsoft FY2015 Q4: 1.4M 360+XBO Shipped
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770,000 is not that huge a gap but it is very interesting to see what will happen.
Xbox has Halo, Tomb Raider and Gears Remaster. They have marketing for Fallout. They might do the price cut thing again which might hurt sales as people are expecting it. I know a few people seeing all these Xbox deals holding out to get a better deal as they seem to be getting more value to the bundles every few months.
Sony have the 3 Uncharted games and multiple small Japanese titles. The big factor is Sony have marketing for the Titan titles for the Christmas period. COD, Assassin's Creed and Battlefront. Big names that sell big numbers. With Paris Game Show at the end of October it would be a perfect time for a price cut. $50 off with a bundle will do very well.
Xbox has Halo, Tomb Raider and Gears Remaster. They have marketing for Fallout. They might do the price cut thing again which might hurt sales as people are expecting it. I know a few people seeing all these Xbox deals holding out to get a better deal as they seem to be getting more value to the bundles every few months.
Sony have the 3 Uncharted games and multiple small Japanese titles. The big factor is Sony have marketing for the Titan titles for the Christmas period. COD, Assassin's Creed and Battlefront. Big names that sell big numbers. With Paris Game Show at the end of October it would be a perfect time for a price cut. $50 off with a bundle will do very well.
Can't be more positive heh? A lot of those titles will be heavily affected by review scores since they're new IP. I say 50/50 on all of them. I actually think ReCore is the freshest concept of them all. We have to see gameplay of course.
.....Nintendo....Its hard to wrap your head around at times what happen from last gen to this gen for them.
Same. Extremely shocked. It would take a handful of home runs by MS.
This time they won't have RROD to help boost sales
Ice cold...
I think it'll land somewhere around 50-60 million, PS4 around 90-100 million. I don't think selling 50-60 million is grim. Unless of course your only definition of "not grim" is winning...and I assure you most people at MS don't give a crap as long as they're making money (especially if they could make more money "losing" than "winning" (say, for example, if they took major loses in hardware to get to that win)).
I know we get a bit preoccupied with our "side" winning here, but I don't think these numbers are that bad. Sure, they'd love them to be higher, and I'm certain they'd love to outsell the 360. But I don't think this is a sign that the brand is dead, or anything. We're not in Wii U territory (sorry Wii U
I agree its not that bad if it hits 50-60 million. Especially in comparison of going from Wii to Wii U.
So anyone think PS3, 360 will hit 90 million by the time they get discontinued?
Be interesting to see the post E3 numbers to see if the announcements of BC etc made a difference.
Got to love the armchair analysts linking everything back to the console wars like that is what investors care about. Profits are what they care about and they are looking at the Xbox business as a whole.
Got to love the armchair analysts linking everything back to the console wars like that is what investors care about. Profits are what they care about and they are looking at the Xbox business as a whole.
How profitable is the Xbox business as a whole?
krypt0nian
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They really did affect the xbox brand negatively.
Welfare
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The end of this quarter? Nope. PS4 is at 22.3m shipped as of the end of March.
Liabe Brave
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As I said in my post, sales of non-discontinued products usually begin leveling off as they fall, rather than diving straight to zero. That means 360 is unlikely to have experienced another decline as steep as the last. Note I'm not saying it's holding strong; my "below 14m" for One still posits a big decline for 360.
The data we have is that Xbox One shipped 5.1m through March 2014, and that it and 360 together shipped 13.1m since then.
In order for One to hit 14m, 360 has to be no more than 4.2m over the combined 5 quarters. To hit 14.5m, 360 has to be under 3.7m. "Perhaps higher" would require even lower 360 sales.
And yet your own estimate in the very same post I'm quoting is that 360 has done about 4.3m! (That's what your ~88m LTD requires.) This unintentional self-contradiction only bolsters the idea that 14m is a stretch for Xbox One, not an easily vaulted baseline that they could have greatly exceeded.
You know what ~ means right?
Like I said, more than 14 million is what can be worked out based on the highly accurate calculations I've made. I've been tracking this for a very long time and have a lot of data at my disposal in order to ensure everything that I post here is realistic. I don't just guess.
Also total Xbox sales were 13.2 million (due to rounding) from Apr 2014.
They'll probably be at 25 million or so. I still say around 32-35 million by the end of the year.
Welfare
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It lets me use console commands.
Of course I am positive, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I love the brand. It's selling well, though not outselling the competition, and it has an amazing lineup. There's not much more you could ask of it. As for the ratings, I think QB, Scalebound, GOW4 and FH3 will be must-buys with ReCore 75/25, and Sea of Thieves being 51/49. But I was skeptical about Sunset Overdrive too, and it quickly jumped on my "games of all time" list.
Edit: I put GOW4 in 50/50 pool lol.
KillerMan91
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sörine;172606636 said:
For home consoles we have gotten seperate PS3 and PS4 numbers for several quarters already. With handhelds they still use combined numbers (PSP must be pretty close to worldwide discontinuation though)
Captain Tuttle
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The bone chugging away, good to see Surface doing well.
OT but does anyone think that the new phones will be branded Surface?
OT but does anyone think that the new phones will be branded Surface?
How though? Wii barely pulled those figures even when it was doing 3.8m+ months in the US.
Last holiday PS4 barely did 2m in the states, and Japan was way less. I know Europe is big for them but it aint that big, for PS4 to achieve Wii like figures it needs to be pulling Wii like holidays. That's about 4m on average during its peak years in the US.
It's almost impossible to tell, as Xbox revenues are lumped together with Surface revenues as "Computer and Gaming Hardware."
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Seems like a bulk of the numbers are from the XB1. Overall great news, and I get the feeling that Microsoft won't have to rely on the 360 numbers soon. It does make me wonder in what area are people still buying 360 when the XB1 had been out for 2 going on 3 years? All in all, looking good for MS. XBL remains a huge cash cow
you really needed this long to be convinced of that
I own every Platinum game and even I have to say Scalebound isn't going to sell well.
I say not very, with all of these price cuts, fire sales, bundles, R&D for Xbox One, etc.
Last I heard, they were hiding Xbox losses as a whole using their android patent royalties.
This is kotaku levels of BS. That's been debunked a thousand times over.
Not saying XB1 is making a profit or anything, but yeah ... no to the android rubbish.
Edit - Doesn't even belong in the same devision and I don't think it ever has.
It'll sell better than Bayo 2, and I think it will find its audience on the Xbox One.
I personally think it's gonna be Sea of Thieves that struggles. It doesn't seem nearly as fun and bouncy as Viva Piñata, even a little generic.
Don't think that's too PC these days.
Digital is growing fast
Are you serious? I will edit, but it's not remotely racist in the UK.
Eech. Looks like the desire for convenience is slowly overwhelming our desire for consumer rights. Makes sense, that's how every product goes in the end.
Welfare
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Us pansy Americans call it Telephone.
Welfare
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No, just Telephone.
The telephone game
It would be racist if it was the stereotype that Chinese people always talk really loud. We never whisper!
Final Verdict
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They shouldn't have to channel stuff to reach 20m by the end of the year...if I remember correctly, they shipped like 6.6 Xbox's in Q2, and 2.4 in Q1 last year...of course that was X1 + 360, but this past quarter showed that X1 should do at least close to that by itself which would put it at 22m shipped (using ZhHuge's estimates)
While there are obvious assumptions and external factors involved, I am confident that it will easily surpass 20m shipped, especially in light of the big exclusives they are packing this year.
guilty as charge, I love digital
avoid pre-order, buy games you know you gonna play, no biggie really
Liabe Brave
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No need to be so defensive. I never said you are guessing. But note there's a very big difference between "realistic" and "highly accurate" estimates. You surely have a complexly adapted methodology--your day job is sales forecasts, right?--but that should also mean you know the pitfalls of overfitting, incompletely decomposed multivariate trends, and all the other stuff that makes estimates not equal reality.
Tildes are there to acknowledge uncertainty, not to bolster your claim to being right as long as you're close. It's fine, indeed laudable, to peg 360 at ~88m and One at ~14m because that's all the precision the data allows. But it's not warranted to assert that your personal parceling of the error bar is the only reasonable answer.
If you want to demonstrate that your division is data-driven and not merely idiosyncratic, then show your work. What is the actual function you're using to obtain your estimates?
Sales for retailers are not exactly at the same pace of sales for consumers so this type of math is not accurate.
I'm not being defensive.
I've also posted the methods I've used before in older threads. I'm not saying it's 100% accurate, but I can say with 99% certainty it's over 14.00m. (Unless Xbox 360 shipments this quarter were ridiculously high?)
Besides, I have access to other data as well which people here won't.
That's not how it works.... The sold through figures during Q3 will be from shipments made during and before the quarter. So it's not as simple as just calculating what the US:RotW ratio is.
I thnk there is an outside chance that Windows 10 might provide a boost for Xbox. Simple things like cortana being accessible on your TV (if you have your DVR routed through your Xbox one) could potentially bring in a broader audience
They still report combined figures for both consoles and handhelds in the IR reports, Sony just highlights PS4 numbers individually since it's doing well.
Dyson Industries
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Any type of math in these threads are not accurate. It's all estimates but it gives a reasonable guess, unless channel stuffing is disproportionate then they are not going to be too far off.
ofcourse but shipments from this quarter would also go outside this quarter. This quarter transition is not prone to massive fluctuation is it? It's not the Christmas quarter.
Havoc2049
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Supposedly the new Windows 10 Phone flagship model, the Microsoft Lumia 940XL is going to launch this fall.
50 million? With no other market but the US and UK the XB1 will be lucky to hit 35 million. Hitting 50 will be nothing short of miraculous.
PS4 is also going to struggle to cross the 100 million mark unless they manage to drop the drop to the $150 sweet spot, something the PS3 and 360 have yet to do...
Welfare
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35 million, and most likely more, will happen with just the US and UK.
Final Verdict
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Yeah, I know that they are focusing on new gen, but I am still surprised that they have not dropped the X360/PS3 down to $99/130 range....