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@HeisenbergFX4 Is this for their cloud compute/surface or Xbox?

 

[Deerock71]

$15 Gillion?

I actually clicked for clarification on this.

 

[M1chl]

Not sure if anyone else noticed but I think the title might have an error in it.

No, you are definitely first

 

[Holammer]

MS wants to emulate Apple by creating their own hardware/software.
Also a "legit" way of closing the walled garden on users.

 

[Ozriel]

I hope you’re right, but it will still be a couple of years. We need a lot more competition in the space.

Snapdragon X is coming H2 2024 and apparently benchmarks better than the M2, with similar efficiency levels.

First Snapdragon X Elite benchmarks: Impressive gains over M2 Max, Ryzen 9 7940HS, Intel 13th gen-H, and 14th gen desktop CPUs

The Snapdragon X Elite's CPU and GPU reference benchmarks are now available showing impressive gains over current flagship processors from Intel, AMD, and Apple. OEMs can configure the Snapdragon X Elite up to an 80 W TDP, which allows the SoC to offer near-desktop-class performance...

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[Ozriel]

MS wants to emulate Apple by creating their own hardware/software.
Also a "legit" way of closing the walled garden on users.

This is most certainly for AI chips.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

No, you are definitely first

 

[Allandor]

I guess mobile devices or server chips.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Is 18 angstrom a small node? I know it’s not actually 18 angstrom but in comparison to the other nodes?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Is 18 angstrom a small node? I know it’s not actually 18 angstrom but in comparison to the other nodes?

Yes, about 2 nm or less. Very popular in the AI sector.

 

[Kaleinc]

What is this chicken shit title

 

[The Pleasure]

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$15 Gillion?

I wanna be a gillionaire soooooo fucking bad. Buying all the things I never had.

 

[Beechos]

Ewww intel

 

[UltimaKilo]

Snapdragon X is coming H2 2024 and apparently benchmarks better than the M2, with similar efficiency levels.

First Snapdragon X Elite benchmarks: Impressive gains over M2 Max, Ryzen 9 7940HS, Intel 13th gen-H, and 14th gen desktop CPUs

The Snapdragon X Elite's CPU and GPU reference benchmarks are now available showing impressive gains over current flagship processors from Intel, AMD, and Apple. OEMs can configure the Snapdragon X Elite up to an 80 W TDP, which allows the SoC to offer near-desktop-class performance...

www.notebookcheck.net

That’s an issue for Qualcomm, if they’re struggling to beat the M2 with a product that will release around the same time as the M4.

I’m sure they’ll catch up, but it’s not anytime soon.

 

[ResilientBanana]

This sounds like it means nothing for gaming. My bet is on custom AI Chip production which is becoming the norm. They would never switch from AMD for gaming, it doesn't make sense. The quote in the OP literally mentions Microsoft has been wanting to make their own Processors and AI Accelerators.

Since AI is relatively new, AI being a $15bn industry makes total sense.

 

[mrBarrelNut]

This sounds like it means nothing for gaming. My bet is on custom AI Chip production which is becoming the norm. They would never switch from AMD for gaming, it doesn't make sense. The quote in the OP literally mentions Microsoft has been wanting to make their own Processors and AI Accelerators.

Since AI is relatively new, AI being a $15bn industry makes total sense.

This deal is huge, so it's going to be a multi-year deal and probably will cover multiple chip designs as well. One of those designs might be the next gen Xbox chip.

 

[ResilientBanana]

This deal is huge, so it's going to be a multi-year deal and probably will cover multiple chip designs as well. One of those designs might be the next gen Xbox chip.

It probably won’t be as that decision would affect all of the BC titles all the way up to Xbox Series.

 

[StereoVsn]

Fifteen...geeeellion dollars!

Somebody needs to post Satya or Phil on top of this.

 

[mitch1971]

 

[Kdad]

On this foundry topic I have been reading Chip War… very very interesting and well done book:

Chip War: The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology https://amzn.eu/d/4ae8pWx

I see how strategic it is to bring back big foundries in the U.S. and finally they are doing something about it, but I still think that pure foundries like TSMC have more and more of an edge as they truly do not compete with their clients this limited the appeal of Samsung as a foundry too.

This is a good chip deal though and should help. Probably both companies are charging part of the bill to the government through some rebates / incentive of some sort too.

Intel will spin off the foundry into its own pure play...

 

[mrBarrelNut]

It probably won’t be as that decision would affect all of the BC titles all the way up to Xbox Series.

What do you mean? The x86 -> ARM change? That might happen, sure. Also, Intel x86 cores would be a good choice as well. Panther Lake is to be built on the 18A process.

Current x86 Xboxes can run 360 PowerPC binaries, and Windows 11 for ARM can already run x86 binaries. It's not optimal, but beefy enough ARM core in 2026 can surely run current gen Xbox Series apps at required performance level.

 

[ResilientBanana]

What do you mean? The x86 -> ARM change? That might happen, sure. Also, Intel x86 cores would be a good choice as well. Panther Lake is to be built on the 18A process.

Current x86 Xboxes can run 360 PowerPC binaries, and Windows 11 for ARM can already run x86 binaries. It's not optimal, but beefy enough ARM core in 2026 can surely run current gen Xbox Series apps at required performance level.

That sounds awful.

 

[Bry0]

It probably won’t be as that decision would affect all of the BC titles all the way up to Xbox Series.

The way the Xbox OS is architected, they are not reliant on hardware BC the way Sony is, so I wouldn’t say using intel is an automatic disqualifier for BC. But still yeah, switching to intel at this point seems unlikely.

 

[mrBarrelNut]

That sounds awful.

How exactly is this awful?

My Xbox One X ran 360 games great with a nice performance uplift. It should not be any different next gen if MS chooses to go with an ARM CPU.

 

[ResilientBanana]

How exactly is this awful?

My Xbox One X ran 360 games great with a nice performance uplift. It should not be any different next gen if MS chooses to go with an ARM CPU.

MS won’t go intel for the next Xbox, but most certainly won’t go ARM for their games.

 

[Kazekage1981]

They need to bring back Windows Phones. This time they can put the full Windows on ARM OS, because the ARM chips are powerful enough to do so. I really loved my Windows phone back in the day, and I dont like Apple or Android.

A Windows Phone/Mobile device like galaxy Pro series, Z-Fold series, and Flip series with S-Pen with 5G/Wifi6E-Wifi7 with a Carl Zeiss Camera from Nokia in front and back, I would buy on day 1.

Imagine a Windows Phone with powerful ARM CPU/GPU/NPU made by Intel, NVIDIA, AMD, Qualcomm and MS themselves (Custome built SOC and part of its surface series). Back in the day the main issue was native hardware app support for windows, but I think those days are gone since apps are now "PWA'S" or progressive Web Apps which does not require native hardware to run.

 

[iHaunter]

$15 Gillion?

Gajillion dollhairs.

 

[Jigsaah]

15 Gagillion dollars!? :O

 

[AJUMP23]

All the jokes I wanted to make about 15 GN have been made. But I wanted to post.

 

[Rentahamster]

15 gazillion, you say?

 

[cartman414]

Semi-OT, but ARM seems to be hitting its first snag with Cortex X5:

ARM’s Cortex-X5 Rumored To Be Underperforming, With High Power Surges And Low Multi-Core Scores Afflicting The Upcoming Core Design

A new rumor alleges that the Cortex-X5 is severely underperforming, with high power consumption and disappointing multi-core scores

wccftech.com