The Horror the horror
Banned
I think the combination of the DS's success (foreshadowing the performance of its successor) plus Capcom's tight relationship with Nintendo essentially sealed the deal for 3DS development.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Media Create Sales: Week 37, 2012 (Sep 10 - Sep 16)
- Thread starter Chris1964
- Start date
I think the combination of the DS's success (foreshadowing the performance of its successor) plus Capcom's tight relationship with Nintendo essentially sealed the deal for 3DS development.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
those games will do well, but AC is a different league I think
Diddy Kong
Banned
Excellent.
frankie_baby
Member
Is that the game that keeps selling out every week? Yeah I'd guess so
They are sticking to the "3rd parties will bail us out" plan despite the fact that such a thing clearly is not going to happen. They have no backup plan.
frankie_baby
Member
True though girls mode is the sequel to an almost million selling game
Exterminieren
Banned
Big to medium sellers for 3DS for the rest of the year:
Animal Crossing
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Professor Layton x Ace Attorney
Paper Mario
Project X Zone
Bravely Default
Girl's Mode
Inazuma Eleven games (always forget these)
Let's not forget Sony's incredible incompetence either.
In fact it's just been one failed product launch after another since the PS3 was released. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence for the PS4.
Fixed.
don't forget that it was easier to reuse the assests of tri for 3DS than vita
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Um, no it wasn't? God Eater 2 has no problem with being a PSP game on Vita, Capcom would have no problem with having a game that doesn't fully utilize the hardware either... Just as they don't for E.X. Troopers and others on PS3...
Exterminieren
Banned
Bruno MB
Member
So we have 3 potential million sellers, not bad at all.
Animal Crossing 100%
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 70%
Paper Mario 25 - 50% (wild card)
Professor Layton x Ace Attorney 70 - 80% if it had been released 4 years ago.
frankie_baby
Member
Isn't there a normal Layton coming as well or did I imagine that?
Exterminieren
Banned
Yes, but that's only just been announced. I'm expecting it next year.
Father_Brain
Banned
Continuing from the previous MC thread:
On further reflection, I do think that saying Vita would be "quickly forgotten" was an overly hasty, hyperbolic choice of words on my part.
I think the truth of the matter is more along the lines of what Vic said: The failure of the Vita is already a pretty sizable albatross around SCE's neck. Considering the near-impossibility of a turnaround, the timing of Vita's death will only make an incremental difference, if that, in the size of that albatross.
.
On further reflection, I do think that saying Vita would be "quickly forgotten" was an overly hasty, hyperbolic choice of words on my part.
I think the truth of the matter is more along the lines of what Vic said: The failure of the Vita is already a pretty sizable albatross around SCE's neck. Considering the near-impossibility of a turnaround, the timing of Vita's death will only make an incremental difference, if that, in the size of that albatross.
ThatObviousUser
ὠαἴÏÏιÏÏÎ¿Ï Ïαá¿Ï εἶ
Nintendo helps market the games internationally. Tri was the best-selling international entry in the series because of Nintendo's help, so they probably thought it was best for both of them to continue the relationship.
There might have also been some moneyhatting, but that's speculation.
Dude, I didn't even think of that. Should be great.
Hype slowly rising for AC: JU even though my interest has decreased significantly in each successive title...
Zenaku
Member
Personally, I think Capcom looked at Sony and Nintendo and decided Nintendo was the better deal.
On one hand you have a company - the portable console of which you for all intents and purposes saved with its best selling software - refusing to let you release a game in other territories unless you add stuff or package it with something (MH3rdP HD). On the other you have a company that helped market a game and even created a new controller just to please you (CCPro) and who is not only still willing to help you with marketing and controls (CPPro) but is even willing to let you release ports worldwide, and supply the servers themselves at that.
Capcom are often mocked for stupid decisions, but they'd have to be truly idiotic to choose Sony over Nintendo considering past cooperation.
Lord_Byron28
Member
There's also Ace Attorney 5. It won't be huge but 100K or more shouldn't be unreasonable.
frankie_baby
Member
Wrong sort of legs for this thread
I am not saying that it was impossible but it still means more work to do, first they need to port the water battles to their vita/psp version then they need to upscale the textures to fit an HD display, I guess Capcom could have bothered to do that if the vita had a bigger user base though
oh yeah, I forgot that sony put some restrictios for a release of portable third outside japan, so that counts too
This is what, week three for a Vita game? That's pretty rare!
It's stated for 2013.
AA5 is a 2012 release? With Layton VS Wright coming at the same time? Are you sure?
BTW, AA5 should easily do way better than 100K, considering the numbers of the previous entries.
100K for AA5 would be catastrophic, Apolo Justice did over 500k.
frankie_baby
Member
True but it started much better than a typical vita game, its sales legs are nothing special
Joseph Flemming
Member
Yea, good thing I'm system agnostic & have my 3DS.. Just thought* Vita would be a PSP at worst and still give me plenty of content.
*hoped, wished, prayed. Not logically believed it would succeed.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
It's almost comedic, because the issue this time around isn't that the market is flooded with too many FG cash-ins, but that there are too many top-quality fighting games and a fixed/dwindling number of people interested in playing them.
I think the next wave of fighting games will need to focus on lowering the barrier to entry to grow the player base. TTT2 being a really goddamn complicated game with a roster of 60+ characters and limited in-game systems to teach it is one of the biggest strikes against it. Meanwhile with P4A you can still have a good time mashing A and dragon punch, plus there's that visual novel mode.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
They don't need to do any of those enhancements just as they barely did any for 3rd on PS3 and likely will repeat for 4 on WiiU. The 3DS didn't have any version of MonHun to begin with, the work they did on 3DS could have just as well been work done on a Vita game. Neither is easier. Actually, a Vita version could be easier since even a sloppier port could run decently, vs the 3DS where they need to do a better job in optimizing as it's a little underpowered. You didn't mention a PSP version previously but even if they wanted to add that on top then they'd just have worked on 3rdG instead of TriG. And then there's the matter of MonHun4 which may reuse some assets but has every environment new, that could have also been done on Vita, the monster etc assets would look good in higher res even with few if any enhancements, and the environments would have less restrictions to work with even if they left it all low end. Deciding to put these on 3DS has nothing to do with it being easier on the development side.
If they *are*, stabilising in the five figure region is not too bad at all. Could still be random bobbling about, though.
I think it's safe to be more specific than that, at least for now.
somewhere there's a joke about stubby miku having longer legs than long legged miku
This is what I was waiting for, thank you based Boney.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
is the 3DS still incredibly cheap over there or is the Vita still incredibly expensive by comparison?
And this game might have chance to outsell all Vita games in Japan...
metalslimer
Member
Remember when people made jokes about 3DS passing PS3 before Vita passed 360. At the current rate 3DS will pass Wii before that.
eighty(one)
Member
I disagree. I feel that after TGS Sony sees more relevance and success in a Western market. This was evidenced at Gamescom - Sony is trying harder for a strong foothold in the west, instead of Japan.
Sony has another full year before the iPhone can leapfrog it's internal tech (quad + quad in Vita vs. dual and dual --maybe quad GPU- iPhone 5. Sony seems to have (own/partner with) a lot more western developers and have been hoping gamers/techies who are wanting tech, graphics and console/mobile portable gamers would obtain a Vita. It's strange to see a JP company giving up on a JP market, buti tpbelieve that's what Sony is doing. Competing where they are stronger, the west.
Exterminieren
Banned
If Sony consider their ideal Vita markets to be in the West, then they are idiots beyond compare and the Vita has no future.
The Western market that the Vita is aiming at has zero interest in handheld gaming.
Sony portables stronger in the West? What?
Joseph Flemming
Member
Stop, just stop. Vita is healthier in Japan than the West if you look at the monthly NPD's. I know how it feels... Wishing that the system was doing better, he'll I'm just coming to terms with it myself; but let's stay grounded here.
slaughterking
Member
I think the Japanese Vita sales actually slightly eclipsed the NPD ones last month, no? Which is crazy considering the market size difference and the fact that the Vita is already selling beyond bad in Japan.
eighty(one)
Member
The Vita - it's not that they are historically stronger, I think Sony sees an "in"...or thought they had one, with Vita. They are feeling they could have more future success in the west than in JP, therefore they would be stronger Performing in the west than in Japan.
I own a Vita and I'm flabbergasted at its stall. It's a beautiful machine and it's disappointing to see such a forward device panned so badly by the audience. I'm also extraordinarily happy with my 3DS XL and I see why it's succeeding, too. Weird times.
http://www.********.com/analysis/platform_totals/
When you add the west together (NA + EU) it's nearly double the sales of Vita total in JP, thereby I do believe Sony 'thinks' theyll gain greater by focusing on a western market instead of traditional JP market. See: Uncharted, KillZone, Resistance, LBP , Unit 13, , Tearaway, COD, AC3 - all of their bigger eggs and third party eggs are eyeballing the west harder.
I wonder why Sony in general is giving up on JP, though