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Media Create Sales: Week 33, 2012 (Aug 13 - Aug 19)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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I assume you're talking about the 3DS, right?
It seems like a 2D Mario is still a system seller in 2012.
Looks like rehashed sales. I want original sales figures for 2D Mario!
Zoramon089
Banned
Nintendo chose wisely launching the Wii U with a 2D Mario. The thing is going to rock Japan
The people who thought otherwise don't know what they're talking about. I never understood how that stance ever gained traction with anyone.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Of course.
NSMB2 still has many things to prove, it has a very soft start. First and only target as it looks is to catch NSMBW sales which are now over 4,5M. NSMB is unreachable.
This is not relevant to what I said.
The only thing that is strange to me is why there are two 2D Mario games so close to one another.
You are right, but I don't think that you must re-sell 5 millions to be successfull, especially if you're a first party title able to sustain the system.
Let's say that if New Mario U will be able to reach "just" 2 millions, but helping to boost Wii U initial sales for the first 6 months of life-cycle, I think that N could be satisfied
As for NewMario2, it's lower than the previous but I think that it's performing "well" (so: not outstanding, not great, not even very well); what I'm curious is if it will be able to continue selling with weekly solid performances keeping the momentum also for the 3ds.
I think it depends on the long terms legs. Will we still be seeing it pop up in the top 20 years after release like the other 2 NSMB? I dunno, I think it's possible, but will 3DL effect it? It's just too soon to tell yet.
Sure it is, its impact at west is still unknown and next weeks in Japan will be telling of how big system seller is.
grimshawish
Banned
Ones to launch the WiiU, the other is to 'relaunch' the 3DS in the west as it becomes profitable and for fresh games to market this Christmas.
I have a hard time believing that its impact in the west will be significantly different from what is expected.
2 million LTD for NSMB U will be an epic bomb. If it sells only so much say goodbye to Wii U from now.
Well, your opinion. Mine is that a launch game for a brand new console able to sell 2 millions* japan only, IF able to really push the HW could be a good result.
last gen we was some outstanding phenomena, due not only to the brand awarness of the game, but also due to the particular cohincidence of various factors arising at the right moment (new mario is just an example).
I'm not sure that if some games will not be able to reproduce the exact same results, then they'll flop.
first party games have not only the aim to sell alot, but also to push the system on which they are.
*2 millions was just a quick example of mine larger reasoning. I wasn't doing a concrete studied prediction for the game. if you want, consider it as "3 millions", if you prefer. the important thing is the picture I was describing. let's take those 2 millions not as "LTD" numbers, but as "charting numbers". We know that New Mario could sell for years outside of the charts.
Diddy Kong
Banned
Jesus Christ Nintendo <3
Grampa Simpson
Banned
It's like the 3DS is a baseball bat and Nintendo's bashing skulls with it.
grimshawish
Banned
I think theres a misunderstanding of the term Life to Date here 
NSMBU doing 2m LTD isn't anything very exciting.
NSMBU doing 2m LTD isn't anything very exciting.
hamauzu kaito
Member
if it was pink it could be yoshi's tongue.
electroplankton
Banned
Yeah, it's quite weird to hear that NSMB with just 2 million would be an epic bomb. I mean, it's not so much for the IP, but we must also consider that DS and Wii were fucking monster, and they can be hardly a comparison meter for such things.
I think theres a misunderstanding of the term Life to Date here
NSMBU doing 2m LTD isn't anything very exciting.
Wasn't me putting the LTD formula in my speech in fact.
I've described what I was referring to.
This, also if I admit that 2 millions LTD could be a HUGE drop, so it could be disappointing. But my reasoning was slightly different, as I explained.
ColdBlooder
Banned
NSMB2 in Japan sold already more units than Vita in Japan.
NSMB2 will soon have more world wide slaes than Vita world wide!
Hey Sony, you lack something like NSMB2, ya know...
You have talented guys who COULD pull something like this off, so DO IT
NSMB2 will soon have more world wide slaes than Vita world wide!
Hey Sony, you lack something like NSMB2, ya know...
You have talented guys who COULD pull something like this off, so DO IT
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I expect Wii U to recieve significantly better upfront Japanese 3rd party support than Wii did, even if largely only multiplatform. On the other hand I think you can bank on PS4 getting a colder initial response and pledged support from 3rd parties than PS3 enjoyed. It will probably be a bit like 3DS/Vita, though less lopsided due to the nature of modern console development (ie: mostly mulitplatform, mostly targeted worldwide).
Final Fantasy XIII Collection (XIII+XIII-2+dlc) holiday 2012
Final Fantasy XIII-3 (day and date with PS360) 2013
Cheesemeister
Member
At this past week's sales rate, the 3DS will eclipse the PS3 LTD HW sales in Japan in just over 13 weeks.
grimshawish
Banned
Handhelds are dead though.
test_account
XP-39C²
The Wii was only a monster in the 2 first years or so. But i think it is a fair comparison anyway. I remember in the begining of this generation, a lot of comparisons were done to previous entries in the series, even if i.e PS2 was a monster.
...Weak? Seriously?
However
Comgnet corner
[PSP] Hatsune Miku Project Diva 2nd - 384pt
[PSP] Hatsune Miku Project Diva Extend - 350pt
[3DS] Hatsune Miku Project Mirai - 183pt ( collector 153pt + normal 30pt)
[PSV] Hatsune Miku Project Diva f - 138pt
[3DS] Senran Kagura - less than 37pt
[3DS] Senran Kagura Burst - 40pt
[PSP] SD Gundam G Generation World -107pt ( normal 66pt + collector 41pt)
[PSP] SD Gundam G Generation OverWorld - 94pt
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey IV - 76pt
[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei: Soul Hackers - 56pt
Sorry for the last comparison, it isn't so appropriate probably.
That was some GAFers told me
lazybones18
Banned
Goddammit, will Japanese people stop buying Mario Tennis Open?
electroplankton
Banned
Wii software was a monster after the first two years, though, and it still has incredible legs. Also: it's not that NSMB needs to sell 5-6 mln units to be profitable; surely there are other factors to consider, but you cannot compare the decline many AAA series had on PS3 (Final Fantasy, Dynasty Warriors, Gran Turismo) with an hypothetical decline of Mario, since probably the former require to sell a certain amount to succeed, while the latter makes financial sense even with 200k units. Btw, I do think 2mln on Wii U would be poor, but not an epic bomb; all things considered, a nice result would be around 3.5mln units, but we don't know anything so far.
I cannot believe Project Diva f will debut lower than Project Mirai.
As for the last comparison, don't you have data for Strange Journey and Devil Survivor? It's not that I care about CMGNET, just asking.
Mario WiiU was planned a long time ago (hence why the whole NSMB team is working on it) and the decision to form a new team to make NSMB2 was made last year to kick 3DS to a new gear and launch XL successfully.
Cygnus X-1
Member
You can try to underestimate anything you want to, but not Mario.
Yeah, we need to see the subscription numbers to see how well DQX is doing. It'll definitely be interesting to watch over the next few months.
What the fuck? How many games do you think reach 2 million LTD in Japan?
Sammy Samusu
Member
Because it won't.
electroplankton
Banned
I think that as well, but I also think we will see a dramatic declin wrt previous PSP entries.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, some of the 1st party Wii stuff sold great after two years indeed. I was thinking more about the overall sales (software and hardware) and game support.
I think it is fine to do the comparisons, but it depends on what you're looking for in doing the comparison. If NSMBU sells 2 million copies, it shows that the serie had a big decline, exactly like many other big franchise had this generation. I just wanted to mention that =)
Sorry for the probably stupid question, but what do these numbers mean? I see them getting posted often but never understood them.
electroplankton
Banned
Sure, with the difference that NSMB DS & Wii sales were something like exceptional (how many games sold more than 6mln units in Japan? And how many games sold more than 4mln units in Japan on home console?), while the sales of many titles on PS1 and PS2 were constant and shown they were replicable over time.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
In Japan, Wii total software sales are comparable to PSP total software sales iirc. Pretty amazing feat given the vast userbase disparity.
electroplankton
Banned
Wii had more million sellers, and those that really sold millions, while PSP software is more a long tail, with a lot of titles in the range 100k-400k units.
While Sony must be very disappointed in how badly they are faring in the handheld arena I think they still must be happy with how the PS3 is performing over the Wii. Maybe the biggest overall concern is how badly the home console market is faring vs handhelds.
Also PS2 can catch 360 in the YTD, I believe!
Also PS2 can catch 360 in the YTD, I believe!