Sage00 said:
Saying the gameplay in God of War is "western oriented" is equally stupid..
Yeah, it was a bad choice of words, but there are pretty obvious design philosophy differences between GoW and, say, DMC, and there is a definite "western" character to the first game, compared to the second. I don't know, I think the differences are quite obvious.
Stumpokapow hit the nail on the head earlier. It's the same situation as a foreign movie(whether British, Australian or non-English language) in America. Sure, few succeed relative to the massive local industry that is Hollywood(hint hint), and you could say "well, if this movie was made with the exact same plot but by Hollywood it would succeed". And they are, and they do. But is it ever the same?
Yeah, but I wasn't even talking about this. I just dislike it when people come in, say stuff like "Japanese people don't buy Western games, even thought they're awesome and the only difference is the publisher/developer's location". Of course it's not the only difference.
Clearly the only solution is to have Hideki Kamiya remake God of War.
I disagree, he shouldn't waste his time on other people's games
TreasureHunterG said:
Let me get this straight to you: I'm not trying to expose anyone as xenophobic, so stop putting words in my mouth. It's not what I mean and if I let this impression to you or anyone else, I'm sorry.
It can easily be understood that way though, that was my point. I didn't mean you accused people of xenophobia, but it can be taken that way, and this particular argument is actually brought up quite often for this exact reason. It's better not to say stuff like this at all if you can't support it with numbers.
Seriously: you did say that for the Japanese it's more important where the game's made than how it plays; in fact, you said that simply changing the developer's name to a Japanese company's name would make the game sell a lot better:
If GOW3 were made by a big japanese company (that's why I mentioned Konami, Sega or Capcom), unmodified and exactly the way it is, it would be a major seller there.
This might not amount to an accusation of xenophobia or whatever, but it's pretty fucking close. Just because you didn't say the word and say that you didn't mean to say this doesn't mean it's not the most obvious way to interpret what you did say. Seriously.
It's a fact that western games don't sell as well the japanese games, but if you think I'm saying japanese gamers are xenophobic because of that... I'm sorry, but you miss the point completely.
Thing is, this exact same argument does get brought up in the "japanese are xenophobic" sense all the time, hence if you bring it up, you should be able to support it with numbers, which you didn't do.
I'm just angry that a game like GOW3 is getting overlooked there, considering it's quality and what sold here on west, that's all.
It can be a difference in taste though. I can't find what I like in these games in GoW games at all, even though I like brawlers a lot. The point is that it is *not* a Japanese style game though. I think anyone who likes these kinds of games can easily tell the difference between a Western and a Japanese type brawler (if this is a good word for the genre).
I don't remember associating NG/DMC/Bayonetta to GoW anywhere, I'm just wondering why you did it...
I just brought them up as a comparison, as they're Japanese games in the same genre, and my point is that the game design and gameplay principles behind them are pretty different, despite being in the exact same genre. You did say that GoW had very Japanese-friendly gameplay, and I thought you were comparing it to, you know, Japanese games with similar gameplay, so I thought these were the games you were comparing GoW with when you said this. Why else would you say it had "Japanese-friendly gameplay" if you're not comparing it to Japanese games with similar mechanisms?
