clipperslipper
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Mark your own words.
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Mark my words Portal will be bigger threat to Xbox than PS5 it Self
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I don't know man, when I'm playing Forza I don't really think about Microsoft or Xbox or Series consoles or platforms or anything like that. But yeah, it's like with sport teams, I guess some people are just too heavily invested in this kind of thing. Which is okay to some level but it's easy to go overboard and full retard. Just look at the ban list.
midnightAI
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The difference here is that Portal doesnt need support other than maybe fixes (and add in cloud streaming at some point). The support is the actual PS5 itself because its just a streaming device. PSP and Vita required software to be made specifically for those devices, this does not. So as long as games are being made for the PS5 then Portal will support those games also.
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cireza
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And how many smartphones are out there already ? That might be the part you are missing.
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VolticArchangel
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So, the Portal, the total sales of which and it's mandatory requirement of a home PS5 to even function, would be capped within ~120-150 million total LTD PS5's sold (and I'm being generous to the PS5 even touching PS2 numbers) by this generation's end and the $200 Portal itself ($400 mandatory PS5 + $200 Portal), is going to be a bigger threat to the Xbox Cloud game streaming services, which is playing and aiming for success in a market of a potential 6.5 billion (B I L L I O N) smartphone customers on this planet, who don't need any additional hardware than their phones?
www.statista.com
This is also assuming the Portal has a 100% attach rate with the total PS5 units sold.
Make this lunacy make sense.
Mobile network subscriptions worldwide 2028 | Statista
How many smartphone mobile network subscriptions are active worldwide? The number of smartphone mobile network subscriptions worldwide reached almost seven billion in 2023, and is forecast to exceed 7.7 billion by 2028.
www.statista.com
This is also assuming the Portal has a 100% attach rate with the total PS5 units sold.
Make this lunacy make sense.
LostDonkey
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Gug gug gug gug
That's all I heard
That's all I heard
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Majormaxxx
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Portal is fully portable. You can take it with you when visiting friends etc. Just have to make sure they also have a Ps5 
Bernoulli
M2 slut
Doesn't matter, all you need is your own PS5 at home in rest modePortal is fully portable. You can take it with you when visiting friends etc. Just have to make sure they also have a Ps5
MasterCornholio
Member
Ah that's where we get in bed together.
See there are over 40 million PS5s sold as much as you try and deny it. According to you those people don't need to buy 500$ servers because they already have them. Sure they can use a smartphone to stream PS5 games but those wanting proper controls that replicate the dualsense have the portal they can buy.
Maybe imagine the PS5 failing if it makes you feel better. Just don't hit yourself on the way out.
Oh and I got you.
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MasterCornholio
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Well you must care about the success of the platform. If the PS5 was pulling Series numbers I could see it vastly changing PlayStation in the future. But as long as they are successful I will be able to enjoy the platform in the future from them.
I like what they offer and would hate for them to go away.
Shane89
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False, and I can't believe there are still people that can't understand how the system works. LOLPortal is fully portable. You can take it with you when visiting friends etc. Just have to make sure they also have a Ps5
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cireza
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WTF ? How is this related to the discussion ?
Do you understand how Azure and XCloud work ? Do you understand how Portal works ? Are you aware that a Billion is a greater number than a Million ? Obviously you don't.
Going by your logic PS Vita should have been a tremendous success, it was even a true handheld system on top of being able to stream PS3 and PS4 games. What happened ?
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Majormaxxx
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Does it really work like that? Cool!
Majormaxxx
Member
It's a failure of marketing and not the fault of the consumer.
And this is a GIANT failure.
The only thing on this list you can’t check off on Xbox is VR. One thing isn’t ’many fronts’.
Hard to shake the feeling you guys start with ‘Xbox bad’ and work backwards from there with increasingly weird arguments
MasterCornholio
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The only thing on this list you can’t check off on Xbox is VR. One thing isn’t ’many fronts’.
Hard to shake the feeling you guys start with ‘Xbox bad’ and work backwards from there with increasingly weird arguments
What's weird is when people are saying Xbox is exceeding expectations. There's no reason why Xbox should be selling worse but according to the numbers it's happening.
There has to be some weird reason why this is happening. Maybe because in the end check lists don't matter to most people.
coffinbirth
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Shane89
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No it's not. Everyone know remote play works out of your home network. It's like that since PS3 and PSP (or was PS4 and PS Vita??), and this is just a remote play device, like your phone. It's not rocket science, but apparently it's for some
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Not sure what that has to do with my comment, but OK.
Not sure in which multiverse there’s anyone saying Xbox is ‘exceeding expectations’ but that’s certainly not a view often expressed on here
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MasterCornholio
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You know the MAU stuff plus the mergers.
Majormaxxx
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It's not the customer's role to make sure the marketing message is delivered correctly. That's on the seller. Can't believe I have to spell it out for ya. If your product has a benefit that's not communicated clearly, that's on you.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
It has nothing to do with beta status. It's the costs of manufacturing and installing custom made cloud gaming servers in data centers all over the world.
Netflix streaming servers can handle ten thousand simultaneous movie streams because ultimately these servers are only uploading video files to your home. But a game streaming server isn't transfering a movie file, it's a server that's running a video game in real time. If you want cloud gaming with XSX quality graphics, then you'd need a custom built XSX cloud gaming server. Instead of serving 10,000 customers, each XSX modular part in that blade server can only handle one simultaneous player. So the economy of scale between movie streaming and game streaming is vastly different. To handle 10,000 simultaenous Xcloud players MS will need to install 10,000 XSX consoles. The more popular cloud gaming gets, the more it costs MS. And since these are custom built Xbox servers they're useless for anything else. These aren't regular Azure cloud servers, these Xbox servers aren't running Windows server OS during non peak gaming hours.
Besides that, MS has stopped investing in xCloud anyway.
MasterCornholio
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Makes me think that remote play was pretty smart for a company like Sony. Having people buy servers to install in their own homes is pretty neat and cost effective.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
Yes , your PS5 at home becomes your server
I've been doing this since the PS4 when it was exclusive to Xperia phones
Whoa.
Imagine the potential when cloud gaming becomes more prevalent. My only wish is that cloud gaming brings in more casual gamers into the fold and not just convert the physical console owners to just play through the cloud. If that happens we physical console gamers can profit from casual gamers.
In my mind, cloud gaming would only be the way forward if it expands the market to the casuals. A mass conversion from physical console/PC owner to cloud-only gaming is what’s scary.
BbMajor7th
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Well, if Portal does succeed it will certainly drive more R&D into this area. As it stands, the interest hasn't been significant to really justify further investment. If people really take to it though, then the rush to improve the tech and eliminate latency will be a real game-changer.
The part that you're ignoring is that Microsoft will also have to have servers in place to serve them 6.5 billion users on phones .So, the Portal, the total sales of which and it's mandatory requirement of a home PS5 to even function, would be capped within ~120-150 million total LTD PS5's sold (and I'm being generous to the PS5 even touching PS2 numbers) by this generation's end and the $200 Portal itself ($400 mandatory PS5 + $200 Portal), is going to be a bigger threat to the Xbox Cloud game streaming services, which is playing and aiming for success in a market of a potential 6.5 billion (B I L L I O N) smartphone customers on this planet, who don't need any additional hardware than their phones?
Mobile network subscriptions worldwide 2028 | Statista
How many smartphone mobile network subscriptions are active worldwide? The number of smartphone mobile network subscriptions worldwide reached almost seven billion in 2023, and is forecast to exceed 7.7 billion by 2028.
This is also assuming the Portal has a 100% attach rate with the total PS5 units sold.
Make this lunacy make sense.
Do not ignore that do not ignore that it cost them money to run the servers while Sony is selling the server , client & software to the end user.
Mr Hyde
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Google Stadia? You're still not making any sense. It honestly sounds like you're trolling.
MasterCornholio
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Most people have TVs though. But you are making a good point that 200$ is pretty cheap for a way to display your games.
A man cave with a TV/Monitor that I'm sure they will be paying more than $200 for
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Killjoy-NL
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BbMajor7th
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It's not that complex: with Stadia, you have company-owned servers running a game natively and streaming that game to a remote device over a public network; with PS Portal you have a domestically-owned server (your PS5) running a game natively and streaming it to a remote device over your home network (or a public networks if the connection is good enough). The benefit of the latter is that the user gets a dedicated, (very) local server, whilst the company benefits by off-loading the server cost and software licensing (the games you own) onto the end user.
The real difference, notionally, is that PS Portal makes the end-to-end setup entirely client-side. OP is making a genuinely interesting point. Actually says a lot that it's a forum poster who's had to raise this point, rather than Digital Foundry, who just bellyached about the latency and the lack of native features.
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Go_Ly_Dow
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Disagree, speaking for myself and a few friends. None of us have any intention to buy a PSVR ever, but we're all interested in Portal. Especially when you see discounts down to about the $150 level I could imagine a lot of people would pile in or lets say an improved Portal OLED which we'll probably see within a few years.
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VolticArchangel
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Assuming by the YoY growth trajectory of the PS5, that it sells close to PS2 numbers, 150 million units LTD, how much do you think the Portal will sell, in it's entire lifetime as a product? Not a rhetorical question, just answer what you think the number is.
Mr Hyde
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When you put it like that, it makes more sense. However, I'm still not convinced by OPs claim that Portal is a bigger threat to Xbox than the actual PS5 console itself.
CuteFaceJay
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Steam Deck did it better.
The portal’s biggest drawback is the fact that it cannot directly access the PS Plus game catalog via streaming, that would be a game changer, the portal in its current incarnation cannot even remote play PS3 games from the PS5 that are streaming, the portal has got potential but it just currently feels half baked.
BbMajor7th
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No, I'd agree - I think what the OP is essentially trying to argue is that if XBOX does go all-in on 'streaming' this could be an unexpected fly-in-the-ointment. I'm not the audience for this thing - I like a big TV and a nice sound system - but there are plenty who don't have that kind of freedom. The idea they could maybe wire their PS5 into the router, leave it in a cupboard under the stairs or something and only ever have the PS Portal kicking around the house as their primary gaming device could potentially be very attractive.
When you put it like that, it makes more sense. However, I'm still not convinced by OPs claim that Portal is a bigger threat to Xbox than the actual PS5 console itself.
The win here for Portal is that it's way more comfortable than a phone or tablet setup - it's a proper full controller, with a decent-sized screen - and it's a dedicated device: you're not running down your phone battery or swiping away pop-ups from other apps, it's just there for gaming. I'm not the audience, but I can really see the appeal for someone with a different home life.
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LostDonkey
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I'm getting one so I can sit next to the wife when she's complaining about me playing video games instead of turning the volume up in my man cave and closing the door.
Should be fun.
Should be fun.
DavidGzz
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Yeah, but this far into the gen, wouldn't the man cave already be paid for? I am saying it's an extra $200 right now. I don't need to share my tv so I don't see the use case for this.
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