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Cyberpunkd
Member
Someone overdid it on the artsy part?
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
I've seen pretty brutal reviews of it. Sounds like nobody involved wanted to make the movie. The Critical Drinker has an interesting take on it.
Doczu
Member
It's more of a case of a sequel subverting expectations and ending up horrible by alienating existing fans and being reje ted by everyone else.
WB really wanted a piece of the Sequel Trilogy pie.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Roger Ebert reviewed films based on 1) what the intended vision was, and 2) how closely the film came to delivering on that intended vision.
Under that criteria, both Joker films appear to be successful:
Joker: Left me feeling depressed because of how nihilistic and cynical it was.
Joker: Folie a Deux: Leaves me feeling depressed because of how nihilistic and cynical the creators made it as a reaction to the fan reaction to the first movie--and I haven't even seen it yet.
Under that criteria, both Joker films appear to be successful:
Joker: Left me feeling depressed because of how nihilistic and cynical it was.
Joker: Folie a Deux: Leaves me feeling depressed because of how nihilistic and cynical the creators made it as a reaction to the fan reaction to the first movie--and I haven't even seen it yet.
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Elfstar
Member
Todd Philips: "Ok, I want to make the worst movie possible, we'll call Milady Caca and turn into a musical, we'll brutalize the protagonist and make it an huge financial bomb so we'll finally stick it to those stinky Internet nerds that dared connecting with the first movie"
WB: "Yessir!"
WB: "Yessir!"
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Madflavor
Member
It feels like Todd was pissed that people liked and sympathized with Arthur in the first film, and this was his edgy way to try and overcorrect that. But it felt like a "What did it cost you?" situation now that it's out.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Megaflopolis
Burning Blade
Member
I thought the first one sucked
digoutyoursoul
Member
What a fucking waste, tired of this “incel” “misogyny “ gas lighting shit as well. Just want to see good movies.
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I still would like to see it, and I'm glad they tried something weird. I just have no intention of paying theater prices to see it.
8bitpill
Member
I haven't seen it and don't intend too. The direction seemed off from the first trailer.
This is a wild guess, but I feel like the director and writers didn't want to go in the direction the first one did due to its controversy that came with it after. Didn't want to insight violence and seed things to a younger generation.
I'm giving them too much credit with that since Hollywood and the film industry has a long history of degenerate behavior and money comes over any rational thought.
The director, and writers of to the audience that enjoyed 2019 Joker...
This is a wild guess, but I feel like the director and writers didn't want to go in the direction the first one did due to its controversy that came with it after. Didn't want to insight violence and seed things to a younger generation.
I'm giving them too much credit with that since Hollywood and the film industry has a long history of degenerate behavior and money comes over any rational thought.
The director, and writers of to the audience that enjoyed 2019 Joker...
Uhtred
Member
It’s like the last matrix film all over again
Kraz
Member
and... what was the interesting take on nobody wanting to make it? Any takeaways?
His schtick voice is too immature silly for me.
Doom85
Member
Even as a massive DC and Marvel fan who thinks a lot of their recent films are over criticized, the spoilers made me pass on this one and I’ll just rent it later. Maybe it will work better when I see it, but I’ll wait on this one. For what it’s worth, Cinema Snob, one of the most unbiased reviewers there is IMHO, gave it a C-, saying it doesn’t work as a whole but does appreciate Phoenix and Gaga’s performances (and particularly praises the courtroom scene that brings back a supporting character from the first film), and some of the production details, but says unfortunately the film just has that feeling of a director only making it because he’s pressured to since the first one was a massive box office success.
Hopefully you get some level of enjoyment out of it, even if it’s unlikely the film as a whole will work for you, but who’s to say?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Who could have predicted a musical court room drama comic book film wouldn’t do well?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Imagine if someone had an idea to make a Marvels movie (there's 30-40 past movies) into a musical. Wouldn't make sense one bit.
But somehow Todd Phillips (who is writer/director for both Joker movies) thought it was a good idea to change the successful formula of the first movie into half musical. And the execs greenlit this direction.
It's sounds impossible, but it happened. Maybe there's something nefarious baked into this debacle we dont know about as to why this happened.
But somehow Todd Phillips (who is writer/director for both Joker movies) thought it was a good idea to change the successful formula of the first movie into half musical. And the execs greenlit this direction.
It's sounds impossible, but it happened. Maybe there's something nefarious baked into this debacle we dont know about as to why this happened.
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Toons
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Critical drinker has nothing interesting to say about anything. Hes either regurgitating banal right leaning soundbytes from far more intelligent people than him, or outright lying to his audience to rile them up, or both
Hes makes similar content to what Joker 2 appears to be actually
ForAcademicPurposes
Member
Even my barber said it was shit.
Doom85
Member
Yeah, can’t remember if it was The Boys Season 4, or another show, but apparently he got exposed for lying about even watching the season he was reviewing.
He even in a review will admit certain politics have nothing to do with the film…..and then proceed to bring up those same politics later on while reviewing the exact same movie (and also either get details of the story and characters objectively wrong, like he flat out forgets one character’s existence that contradicts one of his points, or lie about those details just to claim it’s political in any way). It’s very clear his primary goal is less about reviewing movies and shows but rather pushing a political narrative. If that’s what his audience wants, whatever, but he should be upfront about it rather than using these dishonest tactics to manipulate his audience. It’s highly likely he knows if he’s more upfront about it, he will lose at least some viewers, so he’ll continue doing so, though thankfully some Youtubers are recently calling him out on all this with video proof of his inconsistencies and dishonesty so he may have to change his tune soon regardless if he wants to or not.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I didnt follow this movie at all. Didnt even watch the first one. The second I saw Lady Gaga was in it, first thing I thought was there's going to be mandatory singing in it. Yup, Joker 2 turned into a musical.
Anytime a singer is cast into a movie, always a solid chance there will be singing. It could be Schindler's List. Add a well known singer to the cast and you'll get a showtune while a city is getting bombed.
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
Injured? Good.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
The loser here is Warner Bros and Hollywood... Let them continue releasing garbage and Woke inclusions...
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
No friend no!!! I couldn't stand another torture.... I already had one with Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom. What a terrible movie.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I mean... you would say that. Coming from someone with your leanings I'm not surprised at all.
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
This is another case of creative suicide, the same as in videogames. A very extreme case, so happy to see this shit burn.
It's really a pity that the "ending" could have been good if foreshadowed and well written from the first movie but this is just a massive troll at the fans because the director believes himself better than them.
Fuck him and fuck WB/DC, and I don't even like the first movie that much (Taxi Driver + Fight Club copycat)
It's really a pity that the "ending" could have been good if foreshadowed and well written from the first movie but this is just a massive troll at the fans because the director believes himself better than them.
Fuck him and fuck WB/DC, and I don't even like the first movie that much (Taxi Driver + Fight Club copycat)
Putonahappyface
Member
SirTerry-T
Member
What the fuck does metatextual mean. For fuck's sake stop making up pointless new words.
chromhound
Member
I wouldn't have mind a sequel but who's idea was it to make a musical film?
DaleinCalgary
Member
the people that designed the Paris olympic opening ceremony
Musashipan
Member
I really liked the first one
Too bad
Too bad
Werewolf Jones
Member
That clip where Joker starts tap dancing I was like "Yo this isn't even bad wtf." Then Lady Gaga started singing and I was like "Okay, NOW I get it."
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Just came from watching this.
First time at a movie theater where people left sometimes in groups.
Every time a new musical number started at one point people would just laugh.
I left without knowing exactly who they made this movie for and how i wasted my sunday eveneing on something this bad. They didn't even have a story for such a long film. It dragged and dragged and barely nothing happened.
Warner Bros didn't need such a flop right now but they also deserve it anyway.
First time at a movie theater where people left sometimes in groups.
Every time a new musical number started at one point people would just laugh.
I left without knowing exactly who they made this movie for and how i wasted my sunday eveneing on something this bad. They didn't even have a story for such a long film. It dragged and dragged and barely nothing happened.
Warner Bros didn't need such a flop right now but they also deserve it anyway.