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https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2024-10-15-intel-and-amd-form-x86-ecosystem-advisory-group-to-accelerate.html

Intel and AMD Form x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group to Accelerate...

Leading tech companies to collaborate on architectural interoperability and simplify software development across the ecosystem.

www.intel.com

Intel-AMD Join Forces to Counter Arm's Rise | Technology

Intel and AMD are creating a joint group to enhance software compatibility across their x86 architecture chips. This effort aims to counter competition from Arm Holdings, which has been gaining market share through its widely adaptable technology. Key industry partners like Broadcom and Oracle...

www.devdiscourse.com

AMD, Intel Mobilize Major Tech Companies To Extend X86 Architecture

AMD's and Intel's CEOs explain why they have joined forces to create a blue-chip advisory board to shape the future of the ubiquitous x86 microprocessor architecture.

www.forbes.com

Intel and AMD x86 Consortium: A Rare Alliance to Shape the Future of Computing
In a surprising move, Intel and AMD, two long-time competitors in the CPU market, have formed a joint consortium to ensure the future development and standardization of the x86 instruction set architecture (ISA). This alliance aims to simplify architectural guidelines, enhance software consistency, and standardize interfaces across x86 product offerings from both companies.

The x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group comprises:

1. Intel
2. AMD
3. Broadcom
4. Dell
5. Google
6. HPE
7. HP
8. Lenovo
9. Meta
10. Microsoft
11. Oracle
12. Red Hat

Goals
The consortium aims to:

1. Simplify architectural guidelines to enhance software consistency
2. Standardize interfaces across x86 product offerings
3. Address changing demands around emerging technologies
4. Ensure x86 remains the compute platform of choice for developers and customers

Implications
This unprecedented collaboration between Intel and AMD:

1. Recognizes the importance of a unified x86 ecosystem
2. Acknowledges the need for a more efficient and consistent ISA
3. Demonstrates a willingness to work together to counter ARM’s growing influence
4. May lead to improved software development and reduced fragmentation

OF course this does not mean AMD and Intel are no longer rivals, it just means they recognize that ARM is the bigger threat.
Although, don't expect major immediate changes, if anything comes of it, it will take a few years for something to come about.

 

[Skifi28]

All together against ARM!

 

[kevboard]

yeah, that seems like a good move to stay competitive against ARM CPUs

 

[RoboFu]

All together against ARM!

Arm is taking too much from x86. I hope this makes moves to make CPUs more energy efficient. If there was one prediction I got wrong it was that I thought pc parts would be much smaller by now. Which really they are but they are so hot everything needs a huge heat sink.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Might be too little, too late.

 

[winjer]

Arm is taking too much from x86. I hope this makes moves to make CPUs more energy efficient. If there was one prediction I got wrong it was that I thought pc parts would be much smaller by now. Which really they are but they are so hot everything needs a huge heat sink.

For modern CPUs, ISA is pretty much irrelevant for performance or energy efficiency.
What really matters is process node and how hard clocks speeds are pushed.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Intel and AMD x86 Consortium: A Rare Alliance to Shape the Future of Computing

It's been very cozy in their little cartel for a long time. Nothing new here.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Good to see Intel down a notch from previous years. They're now a lot more humble.

About time they revise the x86, fucking hell, its a dinosaur.

 

[onQ123]

The hell is Google doing there? Lol

 

[Topher]

We are in the end times....

 

[onnextflix5]

Microsoft is there, where is Sony?

 

[Mr Moose]

Microsoft is there, where is Sony?

I think they sold VAIO ages ago.

 

[BlackTron]

If Sonic and Mario can be in the same game, anything can happen.

 

[TransTrender]

100% Intel was pressured to join this by everyone on that list but AMD, like Intervention style.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Lenovo? What have they cooking up? Moving on from a Legion Go to a full on Steam powered console?

 

[acm2000]

intel and amd so scared of arm theyre joining forces, incredible.

 

[Emedan]

Nah man, time to ditch x86 and CISC. Spend them trillions into quantum computing instead.

For modern CPUs, ISA is pretty much irrelevant for performance or energy efficiency.
What really matters is process node and how hard clocks speeds are pushed.

This is not true. Then why do mobile phones use RISC? Why did Apple change to their own ARM CPUs for their laptops, honestly embarrassing Intel. ISA matters a great deal.

 

[winjer]

This is not true. Then why do mobile phones use RISC? Why did Apple change to their own ARM CPUs for their laptops, honestly embarrassing Intel. ISA matters a great deal.

X86 is RISC since the P5.

Apple switched from Intel, for a few reasons. For one, they wanted to control their own hardware and not have to pay to third parties.
And then Intel was lagging behind in process nodes. And their architectures were stagnant for several years.

It' not just me who says that ISA does not matter. Jim Keller also says so.

 

[Emedan]

X86 is RISC since the P5.

Apple switched from Intel, for a few reasons. For one, they wanted to control their own hardware and not have to pay to third parties.
And then Intel was lagging behind in process nodes. And their architectures were stagnant for several years.

It' not just me who says that ISA does not matter. Jim Keller also says so.

Well working in IT with both x86 PC laptops and Apple M-series Macbooks the discrepancy is immense still - real life performance difference is quite apparent. I wouldn't recommend anyone buying an x86 laptop today for any other reason than software compatibility.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Microsoft is there, where is Sony?

Why would Sony be there? MS has Windows to care about. Sony will buy whatever AMD has.

 

[lmimmfn]

"

• May lead to improved software development and reduced fragmentation

"
This is it in a nutshell, they're worried about ARM and it "may lead to x86 improvements"

 

[winjer]

Well working in IT with both x86 PC laptops and Apple M-series Macbooks the discrepancy is immense still - real life performance difference is quite apparent. I wouldn't recommend anyone buying an x86 laptop today for any other reason than software compatibility.

That is not because if ISA.
Apple ARM cores are very wide but with low clock speed. This makes these CPUs more expensive but more energy efficient.

Then there is the advantage of process nodes, since Apple is usually the first client to use the newest from tsmc.

And then there is the software. Because Apple controls, both the software and the hardware, they can better optimize their own OS, drivers, apps, etc.

Finally, there is Microsoft. That keeps screwing up Windows with bugs, bloatware and spyware.

 

[Holammer]

Invite Nvidia and x86 is secured.

 

[SolidQ]

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Lisa propping him up, just like she does x86.

Edit: Holy shit, thanks for the gold Chiggs !

 

[winjer]

Invite Nvidia and x86 is secured.

Nvidia is on the ARM camp.

 

[Chiggs]

All together against ARM!

Totally this. They know damn well the game is up.

Nvidia is on the ARM camp.

And the blood they will take from others will be legendary.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Nvidia is on the ARM camp.

The winning camp.

 

[A.Romero]

It surprises me to see that Amazon is not part of that.

I guess it makes sense considering Graviton is ARM.

 

[poppabk]

Invite Nvidia and x86 is secured.

Pretty sure that is who they are scared of.

 

[ManaByte]

All together against ARM!

It’s afraid.

 

[Katatonic]

Microsoft is there, where is Sony?

Eventually going custom imo.

 

[Chiggs]

Lisa propping him up, just like she does x86.

The winning camp.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Nvidia is on the ARM camp.

Speaking of which...

With Steam doing all these tests recently for ARM compatibility, door is wide open for Nvidia to offer both solutions in one package..

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

The winning camp.

Goodbye backwards compatibility.

 

[BattleScar]

ITT

Bunch of people who don't know what or how ISAs work in computing. People talking about x86 being a dinosaur while Turin is absolutely pissing on every single other datacentre microarchitecture (ARM included) by a country mile.

 

[bitbydeath]

Microsoft must have given up on ARM, that was supposed to be their next Xbox FYI.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Microsoft must have given up on ARM, that was supposed to be their next Xbox FYI.

Wasn't ARM powered Copilot PCs supposed to be the future of Windows? I think MS is playing for both teams here.

 

[Chiggs]

ITT

Bunch of people who don't know what or how ISAs work in computing. People talking about x86 being a dinosaur while Turin is absolutely pissing on every single other datacentre microarchitecture (ARM included) by a country mile.

And here we go, folks.....

1). Introductory comment is made to test the waters.
2). Chips and Cheese article is posted.
3). Video about Chips and Cheese article is posted, with the poster failing to acknowledge that the spotlighted guest goes on to acknowledge that, indeed, x86 is inefficient and is tied to legacy bullshit that it needs to shed.
4). Others point out that having an assortment of chip makers and architectures to choose from is great for the market.
5). Nvidia is essentially crowned today's future champion because an all in one computer from them simply has stunning implications for the market.

Wasn't ARM powered Copilot PCs supposed to be the future of Windows? I think MS is playing for both teams here.

Like Apple, there was no way in Hell Microsoft was going to be left with toothless Intel defining standards and timeframes.

 

[darrylgorn]

I bet this will cost an

 

[Buggy Loop]

Goodbye backwards compatibility.

uh?

Proton-arm64ec-5

This isn't 20 years ago when changing architecture meant incompatibility. Next Valve Steam deck & their VR headset are heavily rumoured to be ARM based. Many VR games being tested with ARM now, including a proton version specifically for ARM.

Even windows ARM will eventually have to deal with it. If microsoft wants an handheld, most likely ARM.

 

[Parazels]

Microsoft is there, where is Sony?

Arm processor in PS6 is confirmed!

 

[SHA]

How ARM is doing so far against X86?

 

[ap_puff]

That is not because if ISA.
Apple ARM cores are very wide but with low clock speed. This makes these CPUs more expensive but more energy efficient.

Then there is the advantage of process nodes, since Apple is usually the first client to use the newest from tsmc.

And then there is the software. Because Apple controls, both the software and the hardware, they can better optimize their own OS, drivers, apps, etc.

Finally, there is Microsoft. That keeps screwing up Windows with bugs, bloatware and spyware.

Apple silicon might be slower but they destroy everything in single threaded performance and lately other chip designs are catching up. Saw this the other day and x86 needs to stay on its toes or ARM will eat its lunch. We saw how quickly AMD ate Intel's server marketshare, they took about 30-35% in 6 years. They cant afford to sit around.

 

[SHA]

Microsoft must have given up on ARM, that was supposed to be their next Xbox FYI.

That's a sign of a smooth next generation, it maybe be the lightest 7 years ever in gaming.

 

[SHA]

It’s afraid.

I know, it's not a power rangers pg13 show for kids.

 

[M1chl]

How ARM is doing so far against X86?

In number of sold CPUs? Because its way way higher for ARM, they are in servers, Apple Machines, all the phones, smart devices, fridges, washing machines, etc...

 

[SHA]

In number of sold CPUs? Because its way way higher for ARM, they are in servers, Apple Machines, all the phones, smart devices, fridges, washing machines, etc...

I mean technically.

 

[Griffon]

Does this mean they will license x86 to more than just two companies?

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

uh?

Proton-arm64ec-5

This isn't 20 years ago when changing architecture meant incompatibility. Next Valve Steam deck & their VR headset are heavily rumoured to be ARM based. Many VR games being tested with ARM now, including a proton version specifically for ARM.

Even windows ARM will eventually have to deal with it. If microsoft wants an handheld, most likely ARM.

It's possible things have changed, but Mark Cerny specifically said in his Road to PS4 presentation that x86 architecture would ensure backwards compatibility from PS4 onward.