Halo is Back
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This quote has a whole new meaning “It’s kind of like porn,” O’Connor said of identifying the opportunities that ultimately make sense for Halo. “You know it when you see it.”
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Chief's safety word has to be Covenant. I'll also accept Cortana.
Also cannot get "Spartan in the streets, Chief in the sheets" out of my head.
Also cannot get "Spartan in the streets, Chief in the sheets" out of my head.
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deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
Episode 8, or "how to not direct an episode"
- only at almost 40 minutes that something really happens, and at least it's great, but takes only like 10 minutes and it's shit again
- actors are trying, but holy shit, you can feel the lack of direction in basically every scene
- Halsey goes nowhere, neither Miranda. Master Chief has sex and doesn't has any chemistry whatsoever
- I wasn't understand very much at the beginning, and at the end felt like the beginning
- only at almost 40 minutes that something really happens, and at least it's great, but takes only like 10 minutes and it's shit again
- actors are trying, but holy shit, you can feel the lack of direction in basically every scene
- Halsey goes nowhere, neither Miranda. Master Chief has sex and doesn't has any chemistry whatsoever
- I wasn't understand very much at the beginning, and at the end felt like the beginning
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Umbasaborne
Banned
Did cortana watch when they boned?
Also im pleasantly surprised! Ive enjoyed the last few episodes, sans madrigol. I appreciate this as a different thing from the games. Its hard for me to sympathize with the covenant lady, after that shit she pulled with the hunter worms. Like yeah you had a change of heart after riding chiefs midnight meat train, but it doesnt change the fact that you butchered a ship full of people. Also halsey is just going on full on villain i guess? Makes sense, she did some fucked up shit in the games and at one point straight up betrayed the unsc.
Also im pleasantly surprised! Ive enjoyed the last few episodes, sans madrigol. I appreciate this as a different thing from the games. Its hard for me to sympathize with the covenant lady, after that shit she pulled with the hunter worms. Like yeah you had a change of heart after riding chiefs midnight meat train, but it doesnt change the fact that you butchered a ship full of people. Also halsey is just going on full on villain i guess? Makes sense, she did some fucked up shit in the games and at one point straight up betrayed the unsc.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Umbasaborne
Banned
Guess she didnt stimulate him well enough when the suit jacked him off, thats what caused her to turn heel
Yep.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
When even Greenskull has had enough of the show you know you fucked up. The most positive and optimistic Halo fan out there clearly fucking hates the show but just doesn't want to turn his channel to the dark side. The same can be said for HiddenXperia or AngryJoe.
The people making the game stories and the TV show are wannabe Halo fans. There I said. This show and the Infinite campaign story are beyond shit. What a waste of an amazing universe and characters. After 20 years I'm wanting to pull the plug and just ignore Halo completely. I'm close to uninstalling MCC and Infinite even. Fuck the entire management of this franchise. Buggy games, shit stories, changes for the worse and a complete lack of stewardship for what core fans want that ushered this IP into the zeitgeist. WTF, this shit ain't Halo.
I'd love to hear Jason Jones off the record talk about 343 and Halo post Bungie, it would be a laughing compilation for the ages. 6.5 years for a shit game. 10+ years for a shit show. Pull your head out of your asses 343. What a tragedy for what could have been, no wonder so many Halo fans are upset. One of my best buds had the right idea after the first episode, stop watching. He's a stronger man than I.
The people making the game stories and the TV show are wannabe Halo fans. There I said. This show and the Infinite campaign story are beyond shit. What a waste of an amazing universe and characters. After 20 years I'm wanting to pull the plug and just ignore Halo completely. I'm close to uninstalling MCC and Infinite even. Fuck the entire management of this franchise. Buggy games, shit stories, changes for the worse and a complete lack of stewardship for what core fans want that ushered this IP into the zeitgeist. WTF, this shit ain't Halo.
I'd love to hear Jason Jones off the record talk about 343 and Halo post Bungie, it would be a laughing compilation for the ages. 6.5 years for a shit game. 10+ years for a shit show. Pull your head out of your asses 343. What a tragedy for what could have been, no wonder so many Halo fans are upset. One of my best buds had the right idea after the first episode, stop watching. He's a stronger man than I.
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Halo is Back
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Grenskull's last video was pretty interesting to watch. That dude is literally the most positive Halo Youtuber out there (He even defended the last Kwan heavy episode) and this one just broke him lmao.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
People have tried to take the show on its own merits and it still falls on its ass. Waiting on Angry Joe, should be good for a laugh at least.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Just started watching this while I work, 3mins in, and preach Joe you beautiful motherfucker.
Halo is Back
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Pantz
Member
I was just typing out a request for that very meme as you posted it. Thank you!
TransTrender
Gold Member
You know? A full Kwan episode was like the sinking of the Lusitania.
When Master Cheeks was getting down with Cortana in the background I was getting repeated 9/11 flashbacks
Seriously
Between this and Picard you have to be some sort of fucking retard if you actually like it
When Master Cheeks was getting down with Cortana in the background I was getting repeated 9/11 flashbacks
Seriously
Between this and Picard you have to be some sort of fucking retard if you actually like it
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
I bet chief wished he would have been in his armor for once when he got his ass kicked.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Even on Silver timeline merits Kai got knocked out in one or two hits with no helmet but Chief stays up and fighting against two MJOLNIR suited Spartans?
I just couldn't take that fight seriously. Did it look good? Yes. Was it well executed? No. You have to be braindead to think those fights are the best they could be.
The hog bit was cool, the fighting wasn't. It's such a shame all that great production quality has some of the dumbest execution for the Halo universe.
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GymWolf
Member
Javthusiast
Banned
Literally fucked the covenant. That's mah boi.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
This show is just a complete joke, I'm sorry. It's literally just a generic scifi show with the name Halo slapped on it.
The very, very few scenes where it actually remembers it's supposed to be Halo (like the fight scene a few episodes ago), it isn't bad and feels like a cocktease of what could have been. But it is far, far outweighed by the sheer stupidity of stuff like Kwan, Master Chief fucking the Covenant chick, etc.
Terrible. After all these years, how was this what ended up getting approved?
The very, very few scenes where it actually remembers it's supposed to be Halo (like the fight scene a few episodes ago), it isn't bad and feels like a cocktease of what could have been. But it is far, far outweighed by the sheer stupidity of stuff like Kwan, Master Chief fucking the Covenant chick, etc.
Terrible. After all these years, how was this what ended up getting approved?
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I stopped giving a shit about Halo years ago, but this semen slurping adaptation is so bad that people who remember I used to like the series bring it up to me asking if I want to talk about it.
People should just give up on Microsoft and the whole series; not just the TV show, but everything that's related to Halo. Frank O'Connor turned out being the worst person to lead the franchise. The whole leadership needs to get sacked.
Fuck Halo.
People should just give up on Microsoft and the whole series; not just the TV show, but everything that's related to Halo. Frank O'Connor turned out being the worst person to lead the franchise. The whole leadership needs to get sacked.
Fuck Halo.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Was the girl hot or was she a blue hair landwhale? I'm curious since I dropped this after episode 1. Just seemed like more woke bullshit
HoodWinked
Member
having Cortana watch was fucking amazing.
cormack12
Gold Member
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
The show doesn’t do any of the actors any favours. In real life she cleans up pretty well:
You don't see anything
Anyway this show is a shitshow, like all Halo stuff post Bungie.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Show just gets better and better. I honestly was caught the fuck off guard by the sex scene; totally didn't see it coming, although it briefly crossed my mind when Chief touched her face and their health and condition were synchronizing as well as they were. Then again, removed from my prior knowledge of the games and the books, it makes total sense that would be a possibility in a TV series based on the strong connection demonstrated between the two. Writing and acting gets better and better.
Halsey is straight dark as fuck. I even sensed some jealousy from her. The CG work on Cortana, and the quality of emotions on display through her model was just perfection this episode. You could see her every doubt and lack of comfort with what Halsey was up to. Jen Taylor is a fucking master at this shit. That's how you build trust between Cortana and Chief. Cortana was like "Oh hell no, you will not hurt Chief." The fight between Chief Vannak and Riz was fucking awesome. And if I couldn't love Kai anymore than I already do, that love for her character has increased. It was so bad ass seeing her show up like she did to save Chief. She straight rocked Riz lol.
The way they handled Makee's abandoning of faith in humanity, referring back to her past, with clear manipulation and interference by Halsey, was quite well done. I enjoyed it.
Also enjoy all the people who chime in to tell us how much it sucks each week, but can't stop watching. I never miss an episode of something that I think sucks, too.
Halsey is straight dark as fuck. I even sensed some jealousy from her. The CG work on Cortana, and the quality of emotions on display through her model was just perfection this episode. You could see her every doubt and lack of comfort with what Halsey was up to. Jen Taylor is a fucking master at this shit. That's how you build trust between Cortana and Chief. Cortana was like "Oh hell no, you will not hurt Chief." The fight between Chief Vannak and Riz was fucking awesome. And if I couldn't love Kai anymore than I already do, that love for her character has increased. It was so bad ass seeing her show up like she did to save Chief. She straight rocked Riz lol.
The way they handled Makee's abandoning of faith in humanity, referring back to her past, with clear manipulation and interference by Halsey, was quite well done. I enjoyed it.
Also enjoy all the people who chime in to tell us how much it sucks each week, but can't stop watching. I never miss an episode of something that I think sucks, too.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
The show doesn’t do any of the actors any favours. In real life she cleans up pretty well:
Anyway this show is a shitshow, like all Halo stuff post Bungie.
Yea, she's suppose to look like that while living with the Covenant.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Well when you've been waiting 10+ years to see your favourite franchise on the big or small screen you'll watch anything.Also enjoy all the people who chime in to tell us how much it sucks each week, but can't stop watching. I never miss an episode of something that I think sucks, too.
I wouldn't conflate wanting to see the good bits by wading through the majority of bad parts as a success rating. Of course Halo is going to do some numbers but that doesn't equate to the show's quality or sustainability. We'll see how S2 goes and take it from there.
Ulysses 31
Member
I hear people are glad that Master Chief doesn't wear his armor so often anymore since you're not so quick to associate him with the game Master Chief then.
stickkidsam
Member
I can buy someone enjoying the show, but you sir are selling some bullshit lmaoShow just gets better and better. I honestly was caught the fuck off guard by the sex scene; totally didn't see it coming, although it briefly crossed my mind when Chief touched her face and their health and condition were synchronizing as well as they were. Then again, removed from my prior knowledge of the games and the books, it makes total sense that would be a possibility in a TV series based on the strong connection demonstrated between the two. Writing and acting gets better and better.
Halsey is straight dark as fuck. I even sensed some jealousy from her. The CG work on Cortana, and the quality of emotions on display through her model was just perfection this episode. You could see her every doubt and lack of comfort with what Halsey was up to. Jen Taylor is a fucking master at this shit. That's how you build trust between Cortana and Chief. Cortana was like "Oh hell no, you will not hurt Chief." The fight between Chief Vannak and Riz was fucking awesome. And if I couldn't love Kai anymore than I already do, that love for her character has increased. It was so bad ass seeing her show up like she did to save Chief. She straight rocked Riz lol.
The way they handled Makee's abandoning of faith in humanity, referring back to her past, with clear manipulation and interference by Halsey, was quite well done. I enjoyed it.
Also enjoy all the people who chime in to tell us how much it sucks each week, but can't stop watching. I never miss an episode of something that I think sucks, too.
ResilientBanana
Member
I’ll just post here since my last comment about the show got deleted:
Fuck this show, I used to be the biggest Halo fan, but now I’m just pissed. They took something that we all followed lore-wise and instead of getting other people into the thing I love and able to share it, the desecrated every little recognizable detail and put it in a show. I used to defend 343, but not anymore. They ruined everything with this show and further divided the fan-base. They could have had a hit but I’m not going to bother with season 2 no matter what they change.
Chiefs back-storyArmor he should be wearing, it’s not Mark V or IV.
Silver team, should have been blue team
Cortana wtf, she was on a chip, not embedded in his brain2
whatever that stupid wood bridge scene was when he was a kid instead of playing king of the hill as a kid
The feelings chip is bullshit
Chiefs age, hair color and eyes.
Chief having sex
So many emotional Spartans
The spartan that ran away with the tentacle hand
Cheap plastic armorShitty CGI budget
I get some minor changes could have happened, but every tiny minute detail has been changed, and for what? I can’t even have a proper conversation about Halo with a newcomer because they have a forked version of halo!!
Again,Fuck this show. Fuck 343 and fuck Microsoft for allowing this to happen.
They could have made a show about Noble Team before Noble Six arrived and gotten to the point of where he did. Then get to the point where they got Cortana then by season 3, they could have gotten to the chief and flash backed his childhood, among other things.
Also, bragging about not reading the source material is like bragging about dropping out of high school to be a DJ, that happens to work at McDonalds. I’m
Fuck this show, I used to be the biggest Halo fan, but now I’m just pissed. They took something that we all followed lore-wise and instead of getting other people into the thing I love and able to share it, the desecrated every little recognizable detail and put it in a show. I used to defend 343, but not anymore. They ruined everything with this show and further divided the fan-base. They could have had a hit but I’m not going to bother with season 2 no matter what they change.
Chiefs back-storyArmor he should be wearing, it’s not Mark V or IV.
Silver team, should have been blue team
Cortana wtf, she was on a chip, not embedded in his brain2
whatever that stupid wood bridge scene was when he was a kid instead of playing king of the hill as a kid
The feelings chip is bullshit
Chiefs age, hair color and eyes.
Chief having sex
So many emotional Spartans
The spartan that ran away with the tentacle hand
Cheap plastic armorShitty CGI budget
I get some minor changes could have happened, but every tiny minute detail has been changed, and for what? I can’t even have a proper conversation about Halo with a newcomer because they have a forked version of halo!!
Again,Fuck this show. Fuck 343 and fuck Microsoft for allowing this to happen.
They could have made a show about Noble Team before Noble Six arrived and gotten to the point of where he did. Then get to the point where they got Cortana then by season 3, they could have gotten to the chief and flash backed his childhood, among other things.
Also, bragging about not reading the source material is like bragging about dropping out of high school to be a DJ, that happens to work at McDonalds. I’m
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darrylgorn
Member
This show is fucking great.
My kids (8 and 10) and I tune in every week.
My son gets a little squirmy during sex scenes (have to ff the Witcher at times) but this one was very tastefully done.
There's a brilliant point where Johnson says something like 'You can't just remove decades of indoctrination' and Chief responds with 'I did.'
Can't wait to see how they wrap it all up.
My kids (8 and 10) and I tune in every week.
My son gets a little squirmy during sex scenes (have to ff the Witcher at times) but this one was very tastefully done.
There's a brilliant point where Johnson says something like 'You can't just remove decades of indoctrination' and Chief responds with 'I did.'
Can't wait to see how they wrap it all up.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Nope, you're just mad someone is actually really liking the show and willing to give it a chance even when it takes some creative risks. If you think Chief getting some pussy makes the show all of a sudden bad, then you might have a different problem and may need to redirect that weird rage of yours somehow. All else in the episode? Very well done, very well organized. Halsey's actress is spectacular. You literally couldn't have picked a better person for the role. Cortana's CG and display of emotions in this chapter was top notch stuff. It was so easy to discern her level of discomfort with Halsey. It was so incredible watching the way Halsey's reaction to Cortana stating that Chief is no longer alone by saying that Chief had her, and then seeing that change in her expression when it dawned on her that her relationship with John isn't necessarily built on the healthiest of foundations, to put it lightly. And the fact she knows Cortana fully understands that, as she understands herself, bothers her enormously.
It is an amazing dynamic watching who Halsey has become basically be judged harshly by herself basically. People who are really paying close attention to this show and how good it is will go right back to one of the questions Halsey's clone asked Halsey before being used as the base for Cortana. Halsey's cloned asked "And none of this bothers you?" regarding everything she had done to that point, the children that high percentage of children who didn't survive the spartan program. Halsey's response was "should it?"
Halsey's clone responded "what about Miranda, our daughter?" clearly with the intent of making her think about someone doing to her own daughter she did to other people's children. But the most important question is still coming.
Halsey paused, clearly not able to answer the question, clearly disturbed and conflicted, clearly suggesting she might not be okay with someone doing to Miranda what she did to John and the other kids. Halsey tries to deflect by saying "I think we have everything we need," an effort to end the conversation and questions by her clone. And the most important question arrives now.
"Do you remember when you were my age, and you weren't sure whether flash cloning would ever be made legal, and you wondered if you found yourself sitting opposite a living, breathing version of you would you actually be able to go through with it. What happened?" Halsey's answer was simply "Progress."
People not just dismissing the excellent storytelling threads being laid down by this TV show look at this latest episode and draw a direct parallel right back to the episode of Cortana's successful creation, and they see why people actually enjoying the show because they're taking it seriously by giving it a chance to properly form the direction it's taking things, and not just dismissing every action it takes just to hate for the sake of hate, are not phased by the negativity of others. It legitimately upsets some of you that people are enjoying the show to this degree.
Halsey's actions directly endangered her daughter this episode. If Makee desires/desired, she could have probably killed every person in that room, Captain Keyes, Parangosky, and Miranda. Halsey would be pleased by the death of at least ONE of those individuals, Parangosky, but would definitely in some form be devastated by the loss in some fashion of the other two, though she tries to pretend otherwise.
Then we see the Master Chief quite literally performing a textbook soft interrogation of a target with that "stroll in the park" as parangosky called it, balancing the mission at hand with the things he personally needs to know and understand for himself. Chief gained valuable intelligence in that little stroll. And so he got him some pussy also after the fact, big deal! Get over it!
We also get to see the Master Chief engage in close quarters, hand to hand combat against two fully armored Spartan IIs, and he literally held his fucking own, which is amazing and pretty damn telling in itself. The show is clearly teasing that there is another level the Chief can still achieve, and it seems to involve a more closer melding of Cortana with the Chief's bodily actions and his mind. Halsey's version of this seems to be one that would be destructive, potentially even deadly to Chief as he currently exists. However, the show may also be teasing a safer form of exactly that, but one that preserves the Master Chief in his entirety as is, sorta like what was done in the first test of the mjolnir system with Cortana in it in the book Halo: Fall of Reach.
Perhaps instead of us seeing that amazing moment in the form of a training exercise, we may possibly end up seeing the enhanced abilities that allowed Chief to literally swat away a missile at point blank range and then sprint off before he could suffer the consequences, in actual, true to life combat against the Covenant. I like that shit. The development the Spartan IIs in Silver Team has been excellent and just keeps getting better.
Kai's character is fucking awesome. It's a perfect dynamic between her and Chief and Riz and Vannak. Where Halsey's story goes after this, after this massive betrayal, is a very interesting one. I also don't trust fully Halsey's little sycophant who tried to sexually assault a younger daughter Halsey clone.
The glassing of that planet, and how they conveyed the destruction to the viewers was also pitch perfect. Shit, I could keep going on and on. This show is so fucking good that it literally makes its haters sick to their stomach. Carry the hell on and bring on the season finale!
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I’m enjoying it for what it is, sci-fi light prestige tv with a halo skin on top. Yeah doesn’t have much to do with Halo, but got games for that. That said I can see why people don’t like and and why people do. Way better then Picard that’s for dam sure…
cormack12
Gold Member
Unfortunately you just have to see them as completely different things. Different universe, different timelines. It's a bit jarring but just have to judge it on what it is.
I'm sort of accepting chief now, but I think him, Makee and Kwan are especially poor casting choices for these roles (nothing against their abilityas actors). I like Miranda, Cortana and Halsey though. It's not like Witcher where Cavill and Chalotra completely made the roles their own. As a result I think a lot of scenes lack chemistry and rely on being carried when there is no conflict (Miranda and her dad, Halsey and her creepy assistant, John and the other Spartans, John and Makee, John and Kwan, Kwan and Soren etc.)
Its been a disjointed season so far, with a few real high points, and some real low points. The rest has been fairly decent. Hopefully they find their feet in the second season.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
You buddy, are missing the whole entire point, which is your right of course. What I wonder is if everybody hates it so much, why do they come back week after week after week? Nothing is wrong with the decisions the show has made because the show exists in its own canon with many accurate and direct tie ins to the original Halo canon. It's the perfect way to do a Halo TV show. Contrary to your bold statements, you don't know better than 343, the showrunners or Microsoft on this front. You simply do not. Cortana being on a chip vs being in his brain is besides the point. And you are actually wrong in one majorly important way. How funny is that? The details of how an AI interfaces with a Spartan is more complex than you are making it out to appear. It has always been.
Spartan neural interface
The SPARTAN neural interface is an upgrade of the standard neural interface that is used by Spartan supersoldiers.
You're this big Halo fan according to you, but but you seem to be ignoring some major facts also. How do you know that the data crystal chip that allows the AI to be placed elsewhere outside the master chief's brain won't somehow come up or be created at some point during this show due to a need to inject Cortana into things that are not UNSC or human in origin? As of now humans don't even have the ability to fully translate all covenant speech on the battlefield. Surely you know that could come at some point right? Where they will be able to fully comprehend and understand everything they say, with the right equipment that is. The first way it will likely happen is through Cortana's abilities, information and knowledge she will then be able to patch through or pass on through Chief's mjolnir potentially to other spartans through their communications systems. There are all kinds of creative ways.
They are actively in the process of building out a universe, the first ever Halo TV Series universe canon. Last I checked not one single TV show has ever been fully formed in the first few episodes or seasons. Forget what you think you know about timelines or when he should have what armor, that's all irrelevant to this show that has already made clear it's giving you a different take with largely the same central underlying major events, characters and universe lore. I love Blue Team as much as the next guy, and I hope they exist in this show, but whether they do or not is not central to a successful Halo TV series. All of those stories, or new ones, can be told through Silver Team. Most players of Halo didn't even experience Blue Team till Halo 5. If you weren't, like me, immersed in the books you would know jack all about Blue Team. And if you can't clearly see the parallels between Blue Team and Silver Team, you aren't paying attention at all.
Kai is Linda! Vannak is Fred, Riz is Kelly. At least that's the most accurate placing of them until we see whether or not Blue Team does, in fact, exist in this universe or not. My assumption is they don't, and that in no fashion ruins Halo. And as for you overreacting about how good or bad the armor and CG is, I basically dismiss those out of hand. The Mjolnir armors look fantastic. I can find and nitpick things in even major films like the latest Doctor Strange. Nitpicks about effects and CG, costume, whatever, take a backseat to the larger collective vision. And what 343 and the showrunners at showtime have achieved thus far with this show has been nothing short of engaging as hell and fun.
ResilientBanana
Member
The show should not have it's own, terrible, watered down, universe. There are plenty of old stories to tell and I'm sure there could have been new stories to tell within the existing universe.You buddy, are missing the whole entire point, which is your right of course. What I wonder is if everybody hates it so much, why do they come back week after week after week? Nothing is wrong with the decisions the show has made because the show exists in its own canon with many accurate and direct tie ins to the original Halo canon. It's the perfect way to do a Halo TV show. Contrary to your bold statements, you don't know better than 343, the showrunners or Microsoft on this front. You simply do not. Cortana being on a chip vs being in his brain is besides the point. And you are actually wrong in one majorly important way. How funny is that? The details of how an AI interfaces with a Spartan is more complex than you are making it out to appear. It has always been.
Spartan neural interface
The SPARTAN neural interface is an upgrade of the standard neural interface that is used by Spartan supersoldiers.www.halopedia.org
You're this big Halo fan according to you, but but you seem to be ignoring some major facts also. How do you know that the data crystal chip that allows the AI to be placed elsewhere outside the master chief's brain won't somehow come up or be created at some point during this show due to a need to inject Cortana into things that are not UNSC or human in origin? As of now humans don't even have the ability to fully translate all covenant speech on the battlefield. Surely you know that could come at some point right? Where they will be able to fully comprehend and understand everything they say, with the right equipment that is. The first way it will likely happen is through Cortana's abilities, information and knowledge she will then be able to patch through or pass on through Chief's mjolnir potentially to other spartans through their communications systems. There are all kinds of creative ways.
They are actively in the process of building out a universe, the first ever Halo TV Series universe canon. Last I checked not one single TV show has ever been fully formed in the first few episodes or seasons. Forget what you think you know about timelines or when he should have what armor, that's all irrelevant to this show that has already made clear it's giving you a different take with largely the same central underlying major events, characters and universe lore. I love Blue Team as much as the next guy, and I hope they exist in this show, but whether they do or not is not central to a successful Halo TV series. All of those stories, or new ones, can be told through Silver Team. Most players of Halo didn't even experience Blue Team till Halo 5. If you weren't, like me, immersed in the books you would know jack all about Blue Team. And if you can't clearly see the parallels between Blue Team and Silver Team, you aren't paying attention at all.
Kai is Linda! Vannak is Fred, Riz is Kelly. At least that's the most accurate placing of them until we see whether or not Blue Team does, in fact, exist in this universe or not. My assumption is they don't, and that in no fashion ruins Halo. And as for you overreacting about how good or bad the armor and CG is, I basically dismiss those out of hand. The Mjolnir armors look fantastic. I can find and nitpick things in even major films like the latest Doctor Strange. Nitpicks about effects and CG, costume, whatever, take a backseat to the larger collective vision. And what 343 and the showrunners at showtime have achieved thus far with this show has been nothing short of engaging as hell and fun.
As far as the crystal data chip, the AI existed on that chip, when the chief takes the chip out the AI is no longer in his Armor. The Armor is the interface for the Nuralink that they use. So Cortana existing in his head without the suit is a terrible story to tell.
Regardless of if players experienced blue team, fans knew of blue team, they were a part of a lot of the cannon, Kelly was even an easter egg in Halo CE right at the beginning, there was also a few movies and shorts that included the other Spartans that were in cannon. There are also very little parallels between Blue and Silver team other than them just being the MC's team.
If I can plainly see how shitty their armor is, it's not a nitpick. Also if the story telling was actually good and shared more with the original cannon, I'd be less vocal about it, but they changed literally everything.
At this point they should just add the Red vs Blue teams to just put in some comic relief.
It shouldn't have been, there was a ton of narrative in the games (Halo CE especially) that weren't directly in your face and happened while you were playing and could have easily been missed. They could have built off of everything. They changed too much, they didn't have to change everything. It's like going to the movie that's based on the book and they only thing they took from the book were character names. I don't care about races and sexes, whatever, but I came for the story and they botched every single element, not just a little, all of it.
I agree with you regarding the characters and the season in general.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Thankfully, it doesn't feel terrible or watered down. They are telling you about Soren and digging deeper into his character than the novels/books did. Planet Madrigal is the second major human outer colony glassed by the Covenant after Harvest. It was also the closest.
Madrigal - Planet - Halopedia, the Halo wiki
Madrigal was a thriving human Outer Colony world in the 23 Librae system, and is the only planet within the star's habitable zone. It was the closest world to Harvest in 2525, and in 2528 Madrigal joined Harvest on the list of human colonies to have...
They're using this show to tell us that story while adding in entirely new twists and secrets, something about a portal being there. Looks like Kwan's family going back generations have been guardians or keepers of a secret for what looks like a Forerunner AI/Monitor. We briefly saw one of her ancestors interacting with/speaking to one in the episode that focused entirely on her. Said they were guarding some portal, suggested the planet's natural resource appears to secretly serve as some kind of essential power source to whatever that portal may be and wherever it may lead. They implied her father stopped drilling because of what he learned. Perhaps he didn't want to risk damaging whatever it was, didn't want to risk revealing it. These are new stories they're telling in an existing universe that already has roots in the original Halo canon. Notice the wikipedia mention survivors being evacuated to the Rubble, where we know Soren is in this timeline? So they made sure that we were already introduced to the Rubble.
There's also Habitat Exodus, supposedly a much larger asteroid is kept hidden and further away from the existing ones and coated in stealth and has many slipspace engines attached. Interesting, Soren and his crew recently stole a large number of slipspace engines from a UNSC shipment.
Habitat Exodus
Habitat Exodus was the largest asteroid in the Rubble, measuring six miles in length and two miles in diameter. It was initially held far away from the other habitats and coated for stealth. As part of the Exodus Project, numerous Shaw-Fujikawa...
Also, another interesting Madrigal fact is that The Arbiter, yes the one who became friends with Master Chief, participated in the destruction of Madrigal. Could they be using that planet and its eventual fate as his big introduction to the series? I don't know, but it's exciting to see.
Even the replacing of the children with flash clones that were set to die shortly thereafter is the same. Keyes and Halsey personally being involved together with the securing of the children, particularly Master Chief, is accurate. Soren killing his father as he told Kwan is also accurate.
The reason to not worry about this is because nothing is set in stone that it won't be created. Just because she exists in his head now does not mean something won't be created that allows her to "step out" or exit his brain in order to enter non-UNSC tech. Originally people had issue with Cortana being lifelike in size, but in the later episodes they came up with a reason to put her in her smaller size. Doesn't mean she won't ever manifest at full size ever again, but it makes sense that there would be technology around that Reach facility which allows her to.
Notice how in Halo Infinite Chief is now capable of manifesting "The Weapon" without removing the data chip from his armor like before? He simply looks at his opened hand and she appears. The tech has clearly evolved in some way by Infinite. Maybe they're aiming for that kind of thing sooner rather than later. He can even insert "Weapon" into things without removing the chip from his armor in Infinite. He simply opens his hand allowing her to access the system, and he hovers his hand over it to take her back.
At any rate, maybe they just simply needed a way for Chief to still have Cortana in his head without wearing the suit, so it's an adjustment I support.
Linda from Blue Team is a sniper, it's his specialty. Kai is the sniper in Silver Team, it's her specialty. Linda has red hair, Kai literally smeared gun grease that produces red highlights in her hair. Blue Team lost a member many years ago named Samuel-034, and it's revealed in episode 3 by the Chief that they lost a member of their team years ago, Nora-098 on Planet Mamore. The parallels to Blue Team are clear. Riz is clearly meant to be Kelly, and Vannak appears to be the secondary leader, so he is Fred.
Most Halo fans ain't following all those little easter eggs, so many didn't ever experience a thing about Blue Team till Halo 5 put them center stage. Now if you were reading the books you know Blue Team, but many Halo fans never read the books. I do, and so do others, but we know that isn't the majority.
We will agree to disagree on the armor. They look fantastic in my opinion. They have to functional to serve all the action and physical activity of the actors or stunt people wearing them while also looking good in many scenes where they're wearing them, but there's no action. They have to wear those armors a lot, so they had to make them something that could be worn a lot. They made them functional. Mission accomplished.
As to them literally changing everything, I couldn't disagree more. Parangosky is a SUPER important Halo universe character, and she's there in full detail. They got Halsey (nailed her character perfectly), this show has the best version of Miranda, they got Keyes, they have the Chief, they have Cortana (played by Jen Taylor herself). Halo is
Dates, timelines, subtle details were changed (or expanded on more in the show), but how many times does a new Halo novel come out and end up revealing previously never before known details of missions that Master Chief or Blue Team have been on? We didn't know about First Strike mission in between Halo CE and Halo 2 till they told us, we didn't know about all missions prior to Halo CE or Ghosts of Onyx. We didn't know about the details of how Chief received the rank of Master Chief Petty Officer till they told us.
A Halo TV series needs more character moments and can't just regurgitate the story of the games exactly. We know they'll get to all the big events, the major reveals, the big climax moments, all of those are coming. I don't mind them getting around to them in their own way. I think of Halo the TV Series like I think of the way the MCU universe of movies have chosen to adapt all those superheroes and major stories. They traveled their own path while keeping particular things and characters intact. I don't have an issue with Halo doing that. This TV show is Showtime and 343's take on Halo featuring the Master Chief. So they changed the timing of some events, I'm okay with this, moved some things around, created some new events, new story threads. This is what we should want from Halo because what the games gave us simply isn't enough on its own to properly support a big budget television series.
You're funny.
You were never going to get a big budget Halo television series with the big events we know of WITHOUT adding in a lot of newer details and extra scenes and interactions and threads to help you build your way there. They can't do what the games do and just focus on the Chief and the immediate threat. They need to show us all parts of the universe, covenant, outer colony, UNSC controlled space, the spartans, UNSC/ONI leadership, they need to establish why we should give a damn or care about certain characters while also giving us new characters. They need to build up our understanding of the Covenant, of the world that they are treating the audience as being new to even if Halo already has a legion of fans. They have to be willing to give this show the same amount of creative license to tell new stories in this universe, and even make some needed changes, without saying that specific major things are no longer relevant or matter.
They introduced an interesting dynamic for who is able to interact with forerunner artifacts. That one seems legitimately new... or is it? How many human beings have we actually seen interact successfully with forerunner artifacts? It's a very limited and select few. But what if they secretly didn't change that at all and these "artifacts" are just a little bit different? But Halo is littered with strange things like this.
Deep-space artifact
The deep-space artifact is a Forerunner artifact that was discovered by the Prowler UNSC Apocalypso in late 2552, while the vessel was on patrol deep in Covenant space.
Forerunner Crystal
The Forerunner Crystal, referred to by the Covenant as the Fragment of Divinity, the Shard of the Gods,[1] or the Holy Light,[2] was a Forerunner artifact that was discovered in the underground Menachite Forerunner Complex on Reach by Dr. Catherine Halsey and the surviving Spartan members of Red...
halo.fandom.com
This artifact and the massive electromagnetic pulse it emits isn't foreign to Halo. The Forerunner Guardians have such capability and their individual pieces float in a similar fashion.
Video of Guardian using EMP style attack similar to one we've seen from the artifact in Halo TV Series.
They're sticking with Halo, they're just moving around the timing of some events, making some changes to fit with the story they're telling, but none thus far have made me go "oh no, they're totally ruining this thing."
They need to fill in the character and world building moments that the games simply just don't always have time for.
ResilientBanana
Member
Thankfully, it doesn't feel terrible or watered down. They are telling you about Soren and digging deeper into his character than the novels/books did. Planet Madrigal is the second major human outer colony glassed by the Covenant after Harvest. It was also the closest.
Madrigal - Planet - Halopedia, the Halo wiki
Madrigal was a thriving human Outer Colony world in the 23 Librae system, and is the only planet within the star's habitable zone. It was the closest world to Harvest in 2525, and in 2528 Madrigal joined Harvest on the list of human colonies to have...
They're using this show to tell us that story while adding in entirely new twists and secrets, something about a portal being there. Looks like Kwan's family going back generations have been guardians or keepers of a secret for what looks like a Forerunner AI/Monitor. We briefly saw one of her ancestors interacting with/speaking to one in the episode that focused entirely on her. Said they were guarding some portal, suggested the planet's natural resource appears to secretly serve as some kind of essential power source to whatever that portal may be and wherever it may lead. They implied her father stopped drilling because of what he learned. Perhaps he didn't want to risk damaging whatever it was, didn't want to risk revealing it. These are new stories they're telling in an existing universe that already has roots in the original Halo canon. Notice the wikipedia mention survivors being evacuated to the Rubble, where we know Soren is in this timeline? So they made sure that we were already introduced to the Rubble.
There's also Habitat Exodus, supposedly a much larger asteroid is kept hidden and further away from the existing ones and coated in stealth and has many slipspace engines attached. Interesting, Soren and his crew recently stole a large number of slipspace engines from a UNSC shipment.
Habitat Exodus
Habitat Exodus was the largest asteroid in the Rubble, measuring six miles in length and two miles in diameter. It was initially held far away from the other habitats and coated for stealth. As part of the Exodus Project, numerous Shaw-Fujikawa...
Also, another interesting Madrigal fact is that The Arbiter, yes the one who became friends with Master Chief, participated in the destruction of Madrigal. Could they be using that planet and its eventual fate as his big introduction to the series? I don't know, but it's exciting to see.
Even the replacing of the children with flash clones that were set to die shortly thereafter is the same. Keyes and Halsey personally being involved together with the securing of the children, particularly Master Chief, is accurate. Soren killing his father as he told Kwan is also accurate.
The reason to not worry about this is because nothing is set in stone that it won't be created. Just because she exists in his head now does not mean something won't be created that allows her to "step out" or exit his brain in order to enter non-UNSC tech. Originally people had issue with Cortana being lifelike in size, but in the later episodes they came up with a reason to put her in her smaller size. Doesn't mean she won't ever manifest at full size ever again, but it makes sense that there would be technology around that Reach facility which allows her to.
Notice how in Halo Infinite Chief is now capable of manifesting "The Weapon" without removing the data chip from his armor like before? He simply looks at his opened hand and she appears. The tech has clearly evolved in some way by Infinite. Maybe they're aiming for that kind of thing sooner rather than later. He can even insert "Weapon" into things without removing the chip from his armor in Infinite. He simply opens his hand allowing her to access the system, and he hovers his hand over it to take her back.
At any rate, maybe they just simply needed a way for Chief to still have Cortana in his head without wearing the suit, so it's an adjustment I support.
Linda from Blue Team is a sniper, it's his specialty. Kai is the sniper in Silver Team, it's her specialty. Linda has red hair, Kai literally smeared gun grease that produces red highlights in her hair. Blue Team lost a member many years ago named Samuel-034, and it's revealed in episode 3 by the Chief that they lost a member of their team years ago, Nora-098 on Planet Mamore. The parallels to Blue Team are clear. Riz is clearly meant to be Kelly, and Vannak appears to be the secondary leader, so he is Fred.
Most Halo fans ain't following all those little easter eggs, so many didn't ever experience a thing about Blue Team till Halo 5 put them center stage. Now if you were reading the books you know Blue Team, but many Halo fans never read the books. I do, and so do others, but we know that isn't the majority.
We will agree to disagree on the armor. They look fantastic in my opinion. They have to functional to serve all the action and physical activity of the actors or stunt people wearing them while also looking good in many scenes where they're wearing them, but there's no action. They have to wear those armors a lot, so they had to make them something that could be worn a lot. They made them functional. Mission accomplished.
As to them literally changing everything, I couldn't disagree more. Parangosky is a SUPER important Halo universe character, and she's there in full detail. They got Halsey (nailed her character perfectly), this show has the best version of Miranda, they got Keyes, they have the Chief, they have Cortana (played by Jen Taylor herself). Halo is
Dates, timelines, subtle details were changed (or expanded on more in the show), but how many times does a new Halo novel come out and end up revealing previously never before known details of missions that Master Chief or Blue Team have been on? We didn't know about First Strike mission in between Halo CE and Halo 2 till they told us, we didn't know about all missions prior to Halo CE or Ghosts of Onyx. We didn't know about the details of how Chief received the rank of Master Chief Petty Officer till they told us.
A Halo TV series needs more character moments and can't just regurgitate the story of the games exactly. We know they'll get to all the big events, the major reveals, the big climax moments, all of those are coming. I don't mind them getting around to them in their own way. I think of Halo the TV Series like I think of the way the MCU universe of movies have chosen to adapt all those superheroes and major stories. They traveled their own path while keeping particular things and characters intact. I don't have an issue with Halo doing that. This TV show is Showtime and 343's take on Halo featuring the Master Chief. So they changed the timing of some events, I'm okay with this, moved some things around, created some new events, new story threads. This is what we should want from Halo because what the games gave us simply isn't enough on its own to properly support a big budget television series.
You're funny.
You were never going to get a big budget Halo television series with the big events we know of WITHOUT adding in a lot of newer details and extra scenes and interactions and threads to help you build your way there. They can't do what the games do and just focus on the Chief and the immediate threat. They need to show us all parts of the universe, covenant, outer colony, UNSC controlled space, the spartans, UNSC/ONI leadership, they need to establish why we should give a damn or care about certain characters while also giving us new characters. They need to build up our understanding of the Covenant, of the world that they are treating the audience as being new to even if Halo already has a legion of fans. They have to be willing to give this show the same amount of creative license to tell new stories in this universe, and even make some needed changes, without saying that specific major things are no longer relevant or matter.
They introduced an interesting dynamic for who is able to interact with forerunner artifacts. That one seems legitimately new... or is it? How many human beings have we actually seen interact successfully with forerunner artifacts? It's a very limited and select few. But what if they secretly didn't change that at all and these "artifacts" are just a little bit different? But Halo is littered with strange things like this.
Deep-space artifact
The deep-space artifact is a Forerunner artifact that was discovered by the Prowler UNSC Apocalypso in late 2552, while the vessel was on patrol deep in Covenant space.
Forerunner Crystal
The Forerunner Crystal, referred to by the Covenant as the Fragment of Divinity, the Shard of the Gods,[1] or the Holy Light,[2] was a Forerunner artifact that was discovered in the underground Menachite Forerunner Complex on Reach by Dr. Catherine Halsey and the surviving Spartan members of Red...
This artifact and the massive electromagnetic pulse it emits isn't foreign to Halo. The Forerunner Guardians have such capability and their individual pieces float in a similar fashion.
Video of Guardian using EMP style attack similar to one we've seen from the artifact in Halo TV Series.
They're sticking with Halo, they're just moving around the timing of some events, making some changes to fit with the story they're telling, but none thus far have made me go "oh no, they're totally ruining this thing."
They need to fill in the character and world building moments that the games simply just don't always have time for.
I’m not reading your wall of text but it’s obvious that you are a fan of it and that’s fine, you can take your off-brand Halo and enjoy it al you like, it’s your opinion. But I would have absolutely loved to see a characterization of what I spent the last 20 years enjoying and be able to have my son watch a show that could have talked to him about in more detail, but I can’t because this new show isn’t the same thing.
EDIT: It wouldn't be a regurgitation, look at what ODST did with Halo 3? There was a story going on in parallel, this could have been done 10 fold.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Exactly my biggest gripe. If I compare what we have with S1 vs what could have been with this show it feels like we are missing out big time.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Well, they've stayed true to Halo in my eyes. The universe and characters make Halo. Cortana is Cortana, Master Chief is Master Chief, Halsey is Halsey, Miranda Keyes is Miranda Keyes, Captain Keyes is Captain Keyes, Admiral Margaret Parangosky is Parangosky, Lord Hood is Lord Hood. The Halo is still the Halo, the Covenant is still the Covenant, Spartans are still Spartans, the origins of the program and its moral horrors are intact, they display canon physical strength, novel canon running speed, skill, intelligence and deadliness in combat. The outer colonies relationship and mistrust with the UNSC is intact.
It's like reading one of the novels where you know major events and characters you're familiar with will align with the games, but where you know upfront there will be twists and surprises along the way. I'm fine with that.
This pretty much explained it well I thought.
Halo is Back
Member
Ok, this one got me laughing
BattleMonkey
Member
Im fine with lot of changes and making this it's own thing with Halo elements, but there is a whole lot of wtf choices being made at the same time. It's a messy first season and can only hope they take feedback and get more on track with season 2
Ulysses 31
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Nice try... he is far from the only person who had a role in Halo's creation, much less the extended lore universe writing and creation of the underlying characters. The man was brought on as an art director, he again was art director for Halo 2, and again art director for Halo 3, art director consultant for Halo 3: ODST. Roles ranged from Art Director, 3D Artist, Environment Artist and Animator for games like Halo 2 Halo 3 and ODST. Translation: he wasn't largely credited with any of the underlying writing.
It wasn't till Halo Reach where he was made Creative Director and oversaw all of these aspects, finally including story writing. So the Halo game which had the most restraints/restrictions with where the story could go is the one he was in charge of, and even then he does not handle the writing.
If you're going to throw out the co-creator line at least come A LOT better than that. There are much more relevant or qualified people to speak on Halo's writing and extended story universe, which much of the time, was not his responsibility at Bungie.
Maybe when Joe Staten says something like that I'll actually be on the edge of my seat. This man was head writer and creative lead responsible for creating the story foundations of Halo.
The Halo universe this TV show is drawing inspiration from existed as of Halo: The Fall of Reach, the book that was released before Halo CE dropped. And has continued since in future books like First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx by Nylund, and many more like Contact Harvest, Halo: Evolutions, Kilo-Five, Forerunner Trilogy, Troy Denning books etc.
Linda of Blue Team was a marksman or sniper specialist and petty officer, first class. Kai from Silver Team is also a sniper specialist and also Petty Officer, First Class. Seeing as how they've dug deeper into this Spartan compared to any other besides Chief, I don't think these similarities are coincidence, especially her being the first Spartan to suffer such major injuries. Halsey's character, the origins of the Spartan program. Where exactly is he getting that this isn't the Halo he knows? Parangosky's character? Captain Keyes role in recruiting the Spartan IIs along with Halsey, namely Chief. It's all there. What precisely is the last Halo book he has even read? Did he read the terminals in their own games that he was apart of? Threads of what's in this show are in that as well. What Chief and Makee are indirectly accessing through that artifact is obviously the Forerunner Domain.
Domain
The Domain is an esoteric quantum information repository that was once used by the Forerunners to contain vast amounts of knowledge, most notably their cultural and ancestral records.
Why can Chief and Makee interface with the artifact like that? They clearly have a Forerunner Geas or Genesong in them created by the Librarian, who is a Bungie Halo creation that existed since Halo 3 or even before.
Geas
Geas, also called genesong, was a Forerunner term that referred to a genetic command imposed on an organism or species. Under the influence of a geas, an organism could be given a set of subconscious orders that would either be specific to that...
Erde-Tyrene is Earth by the way. The trigger for Master Chief's Geas was obviously touching that artifact. What makes Chief and Makee special is that they're under the influence of an imprinted geas from the Forerunner known as the Librarian, and that geas has clearly been passed down through their ancestors. I think the Halo "co-creator" needs to read more Halo lore and fiction if he doesn't know what the TV series is inspired from. It's directly inspired by the Halo games he was part of, and the extended lore that spawned from them, but maybe if he was as involved in the story writing as other people he might actually be aware of that. One man's opinion is just that. And there are teams of people with more credibility on Halo's story and lore who are still at 343 and still work with Microsoft on the Halo universe who carry more weight than he does on what is an appropriate Halo TV show story.
SenjutsuSage
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Ulysses 31
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Do you know what it entails to be an art director? His opinion holds more weight whether something comes off as Halo or not.
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